Ralph will win 3 slams in 2013

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  1. Hitman

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    Yes, I am sure. Because Gonzo beat Haas in the semi, in what Gonzo described as the greatest match he ever played. Nadal was blitzed in the quarters, after edging past Murray in five in the fourth round.
     
  2. eliars

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    Actually Rafa has technically performed better at US Open out of the years you included:

    He's made 3 qtrs in AO compared to 2 in USO. So Nadal has made one more semi at USO.
     
  3. Hitman

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    Nadal

    AO
    2005 - 4th rd
    2006 - DNP
    2007 - Quarters
    2008 - Semi
    2009 - Won
    2010 - Quarters
    2011 - Quarters
    2012 - Final
    2013 - DNP

    USO
    2005 - 3rd rd
    2006 - Quarter
    2007 - 4th rd
    2008 - Semi
    2009 - Semi
    2010 - Won
    2011 - Final
    2012 - DNP
     
  4. SLD76

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    Fair enough, but the way JR was talking he made it seem like nadal is miles better at the uso when performs pretty similarly at both.
     
  5. Clarky21

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    Your recollection is wrong. That was a 4th round match against Murray, not a quarterfinal.
     
  6. eliars

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    The stats provided does indeed not prove that Rafa is better at either of the tournaments. He's actually played the exact same number of matches (if none of them were walkovers) during that period. Only difference being Nadal made the semis twice at USO. So it's only by a modicum anyway.

    Regarding the topic I do think that the USO courts are less heavy on Nadal and that he nowadays stands a better chance at USO than AO, but that's just a matter of opinion and not fact.
     
  7. SLD76

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    Yeah, we already cleared that up but thanks for chiming in anyway
     
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    What do you mean by less heavy?

    If anything nadal's performance at the uso has been aided by the fact that they slowed the courts starting in 2010.
     
  9. eliars

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    Less heavy on his knees I meant to say.

    Edit: What do you mean by 'the fact that they slowed down the courts in 2010'? Do you have any factual evidence that points to USO being slowed down in 2010?
    I've never heard about that before.
     
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    I disagree.

    Watching that djoker 2011 final, all those long grinding pts. The surface could be made of cotton candy, it doesn't matter the way he plays 10 ft behind the baseline.

    Mind you, he was camped out behind the baseline in 2010 too.
     
  11. Clarky21

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    Naturally, the same year Nadal finally wins the USO we get the old stand by excuse of the courts being slowed down as the reason why he won it. Same thing with Wimby, which was slow as molasses in 2008, fast again in 2009, slow again in 2010, and fast again in 2012. You could set your watch by you Nadal haters, you're so predictable. :lol:
     
  12. Clarky21

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    Of course he doesn't. He just made that up because there has to be an excuse as to why Nadal won it. He couldn't possibly have won it otherwise.
     
  13. SLD76

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    Clarky you know damn well the uso couts have been slowed the past few years.

    and heck yeah slower courts help his game, this is common knowledge.

    Im sorry you don't like it.
     
  14. eliars

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    The years that Nadal has gone far in AO he has missed slams (which can be argued as being a contributing factor to his overall packed schedule) The surface itself is said to be more 'sticky' than DecoTurf and is of course a slower surface than USO which means longer rallies which mean more wear and tear on Nadal's knees.

    From what I recall and have watched of highlights of his US 2010 run Nadal certainly didn't 'camp 10 ft behind the baseline'. He played very aggressive at USO 10, served outstanding and just generally played with a lot of confidence. For reference I recommend you to watch the Final highlights vs. Djokovic on youtube.
     
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    I dkdnt say nadal wasn't aggressive, but he was still camped behind the baseline

    It was part of the reason djoker was so frustrated, rafa was so deep I n the court he couldn't get a aball past him hardly, and yet for as deep in the court as rafa was, he was hitting the ball at djokers feet
     
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    Without starting to sound like that Djokovic fan that created the opionion or fact meme on here, please don't pass something off as 'facts' when you can't prove it. If you're basing the courts being slowed down off of Nadal winning the title in 2010, that is quite silly and can't be used as a rational argument, as Nadal has won titles in the past that is as fast or faster than USO, even though his game is not tailored for those type of surfaces in general.
     
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    I didn't say its the reason he won clarky did
     
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    By 'camping behind the baseline' do you mean he played exactly like 95 % of the players do on tour these days? If so, then yes you are correct. But what does that have to do with anything though? The point is he adapted well playing on such a fast surface, which normally isn't his cup of tea, but as a result of having a huge confidence coming off 2 Slam wins and more to the point just playing really well he thoroughly deserved the title that year.
     
  19. monfed

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    You wanna hang out just with the Nadalettes? :lol:
     
  20. SLD76

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    there is a thread for that if she wishes to do so.
     
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    Ok deal. If he does that Nadal fans have to buy me a car.
    Then we shall have a road trip and celebrate. I will get drunk and party with you in my brand new car.

    I'm rooting for Rafa!
     
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    Can't really see anyone stopping Nadal. Djokovic tried last year already and failed. What makes anyone think this year would be any different?? Nadal is only fresher and hungrier in 2013 versus 2012.
     
  23. veroniquem

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    Do you mean on clay? Nadal didn't stop Djoko on hard last year, even though he came damn close.
     
  24. WhiskeyEE

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    nadal didn't lose a set on red clay until the RG final last year. this year he has already lost sets to Dmitrov, Ferrer, and lost a match to Djokovic obviously, snapping his however many year winning streak at Monte Carlo.

    much like 2011, I think RG is joker's tournament to lose.
     
  25. forzamilan90

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    What I want to happen:
    FO: Federer
    W: Federer
    USO: Dimitrov

    What I think will happen:
    FO: Nadal
    W: Federer!!!!
    USO: Djokovic
     
  26. mightyrick

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    Yeah, that's a 100% no way. :)

    As much as I'd love to see Federer win one more for the "old guys", he won't do it.

    At his age, you have to commit to Agassi-level fitness and strength. Roger would need to get into ripped iron-man shape. I don't see him doing that.

    Agassi was making finals and winning into his early 30s, but that was only because he was taking cortisone injections in his back combined with a level of fitness that rivaled world-class bicyclists.
     
  27. kalyan4fedever

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    seems more and more and more likely , whos gonna stop him who who, tennis gods should take matters in their hands now its ridiculous
     
  28. Tennisworld

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    The answer about his chances will be given after Roland Garros. The last few years Nadal always lost the preparation tournaments on grass and struggled early in Wimbledon, domination of his best surface gives no indication, what to expect from him outside clay. Therefore it is stupid to pretend he will have success outside Paris.
    He has struggled two times against Ferrer, he had great difficulties against Gulbis on his favourite surface. There were years he was more convincing on clay. As he is not on a constant level like before, chances that someone like Rosol will beat him again are surely not to ignore.
     
  29. sbengte

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    OP, You may want to update the thread title if you can. At the current rate, Ralph will not only win 3 slams this year but also Cincy and WTF.
     
  30. beast of mallorca

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    You forgot the Tokyo Open and Basel...........:twisted:
     
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    You thought Federer was going to be the only player capable of stopping Nadal at Cincinnati and the WTF?
     
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    With Murray and Del Po injured and Tsonga in questionable form, the other player, except Federer, who is able to stop Nadal, is Djokovic, yes.

    The situation strangely resembles 2010 when, albeit for slightly different reasons, the entire top ten, except for Nadal, was in a slump, and he was able to win 3 Majors, while having only two encounters with top 5 players along the way.
     
  33. Fiji

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    Nah. Nobody wins slams for 9 years in a row.

    Borg, Sampras and Roger couldn't do it and they are superior players to the Spaniard.

    Zero slams for Nadal this year.

    Like Sampras in 2001 and Roger in 2011.

    Like Borg in 1982.
     
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    So Federer isn't the only player in Nadal's way, like I was suggesting.

    As much as Djokovic looks to be in a slump, I think his level now is still higher than it was in 2010, and if they were to meet I'd go for Djokovic, especially on HC. Still we have to wait till they meet or until after RG (which may well be the same thing) to see.

    Interesting statistic but just because no-one's done it doesn't mean no-one can. How else did Federer get 17 slams and Nadal win 7 RGs?
     
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    I don't see Rafa winning Wimbledon and the US Open. Possibly one of them (although unlikely), but not both.
     
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    I think it depends on the hard court. At the AO I would favour Djokovic. On a grittier surface that takes topspin like Indian Wells I would favour Rafa. US Open is hard to call.
     
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    Good point. Records are made to be broken. It is impossible to believe that Nadal at 26 (almost 27) will not win any more slams. I think for people who believe that (Fed fans mostly), it is wishful thinking. I can't see how that will happen given Nadal's current form and motivation and the fact that it is he and Djokovic who have made 99% of the slam finals in the last two years.
     
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    Borg , Sampras , Roger couldn't manage the feat of being out with severe injury for 7 months and coming back to win everything in sight, while still being sort of injured (8/8 finals, 6 titles in 3 months). Don't you know where Ralph is concerned , normal rules don't apply ?
     
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    Not impossible at all. The only way Nadal wins another slam is if Cvac abruptly retires. He cannot beat him as we have all seen over the past 2 years, and there is no reason to believe that will change in the future. You also have to think about how Nadal struggles against tall ballbashers who could take him out anywhere. His inability to stay healthy is another reason he will not be winning anymore slams.

    People writing off Cvac, Murray, Fed, Delpo, etc are just being silly. Cvac especially, who is the favorite for each and every tournament he enters. He is still the best player in the world and no one else comes anywhere close to him.
     
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    Huh? Djokovic wasn't retired last year. Nadal beat him at FO2012, did you miss that?
     
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    He beat him at the FO last year and everybody was saying Djokovic would win it last year too. Let's just see what happens at the FO because that will determine a lot I think.
     
  42. NadalAgassi

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    Clarky21, do you believe Djokovic will reach 78 slams. Serious question. Perhaps that is too small a number, and you are thinking 95 is more likely.
     
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    No, but I do think he will surpass Nadal and at least reach Fed's slam count. He's got way too many years left on tour with no competition for him not to.
     
  44. sbengte

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    One down, two to go.

    GOAT thread is GOAT since it was started last year when even Ralph's most ardent fans couldn't see through the "injury".
     
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    So people now see how the next four years could be as much of, if not more, of a "weak era" than Federer's peak. Nobody aged 23 or under can compete at all and the best 24 year old is often injured. So there will always be the arbitrary excuse of whoever has the most slams played in a weak era. Or we could just go by actual accomplishments, the only objective barometer, how is that?
     
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    Wimbledon will be won by Murray and USO by Federer.
     
  47. sbengte

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    Just like Djokovic won RG ?

     
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    excellent reply
     
  49. beast of mallorca

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    So is Fiji, the Clarky of the Fed Fan group ? ..........:confused:
     
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    Just a question: Who is Ralph???
     

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