Ramesh Krishnan

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  1. jaggy

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    His name appeared further down here and I felt he was worthy of his own thread, great and beautiful stroker of the ball, as nice to watch as anyone . Comments?
     
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  2. Kirko

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    yeah he had a son who played Davis Cup. he played McEnroe in Davis Cup. had a lot of guile. almost beat him just a little too corpulent.
     
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  3. 35ft6

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    I vaguely remember watching him play once. Incredible control and touch. Very cerebral game. Like a combination of Santoro and Sanguinetti.
     
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    Kind of stocky.Not the typical tennis body. Beautiful strokes and beautiful game. Played all the touch shots and then some. He was more of an artist than athlete and was frequently overpowered. He made his matches a special treat to watch though he never won a lot.
     
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  5. Moose Malloy

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    I think AndrewD(who was a service linesman at the AO) made an interesting post on him a while back, saying that of all the pros whose matches he called, Krishnan was the guy who could hit the same exact spot on his serve over & over again. Control indeed.
     
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    Wasn't he the guy that McEnroe said "my grandmother serves harder than this guy". Like Santoro, his touch and slice game gave some people fits.
    I think he had a 5 set thriller at the USOpen one year against Edberg also.
     
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  7. sureshs

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    Ramesh is the son. Ramanathan is the father.
     
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    McEnroe

    McEnroe once yelled at the US Open : "This guy serves at 40 mph and I can' t return it!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    WOW! A whole thread dedicated to Ramesh Krishnan! This is great...

    RK was one of my favorites. An absolute magician with amazing hands at the net. The angles, the touch volleys, drop shots and the way he used to wrongfoot his opponents was absolutely delicious to watch.
     
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  10. galain

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    Yes to all of the above and a bump for Andrew D if he'd like to chime in.

    I remember Krishnan as one of the few who stayed with wood a good while after most of the pack had moved on to composites.
     
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  11. nanni

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    i have watched him live in 87 when he and vijay took india to the davis cup final beating argentina,israel, and australia on grass in sydney.Ramesh played a magical match to beat wally masur.he was toying with him and it actually made people laugh.it was a memorable exhibition of touch and crafty tennis.
    he also beat wilander in the aus open 88,when mats was the top seed,i think.
    i have seen him practice in chennai and he was hitting with a top junior.ramesh was hitting balls from the baseline and the kid punched a solid deep volley to the backhand corner.ramesh ,while yelling 'good volley',ran it down and effortlessly hit a beautiful pin point back hand down the line passing shot,while holding some balls in his left hand!Yes,he also could place his not powerful serve into any corner he wanted and folllowed it up with great volleys.he also had remarkable anticipation that made up for his lack of height or physique.
    he was a class act,like vijay.
     
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    *stare* Mats won AO, FO and UO in '88... losing in Wimby quarters to Edberg.
     
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  13. AndrewD

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    Yep, he was the hardest server to call lines for. Not because of the pace but because he would put the ball on the line almost every time. If Krishnan missed it was by the slimmest margin and when the ball was good it was also by an exceptionally slim margin (almost always hit some part of the line). I'm sure, if I'd called baseline I would have seen that his groundstrokes, while lacking power, had exceptional depth.

    His match against Wilander, at the 89 Aus Open (the year after Wilander won 3 of 4 majors) was a classic. Not for the score, but for the way Krishnan so completely bamboozled Wilander - one of the toughest and smartest players on tour.
     
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  14. goober

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    I remember watching him as a kid. He was like 5'6" and pudgy. Not your typical pro tennis body. He would get destroyed in today's game but he hand great hands and great control just no power.
     
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  15. heathcliff

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    what style of play did ramesh prefer - was he a serve-&-volleyer or a baseliner?
     
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  16. Steady Eddy

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    I saw him play in '79 at the Minnikada Country Club in Minneapolis. They had a tournament which took in players that had lost in the U.S. Open. I went to watch the final with a friend. Ramesh played Nick Saviano. I didn't know who the players were at the time, but we were lucky. It was a classic match up between a baseliner, (Ramesh), and a fiery net rusher, (Saviono). They played on a har-tru court, which probably favored Ramesh. After an error, Saviono would often purposely hit the next ball into the fence. Despite his temper, he prevailed in the best-of-three match. Later I saw that World Tennis Magazine rated Saviano as owning one of the 5 best overheads in the world. Since he wasn't very famous, I knew it must be really good. Despite that, Ramesh gave him fits that day with his lobs. Both players were ranked 70-something in the world at the time. Ramesh's father was there to watch. He also was a world ranked player. It was a great afternoon.
     
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    Jeez, if Krishnan was still around today...the kids would be mystified. John Barrett was moved to remark in commentary, "he's playing like a god!" when Krishnan dismantled Wilander in Melbourne '89.
    I think Krishnan also made the Wimbledon quarters in '87...losing to Connors? His old man also made the quarters in '61 or something.

    He used a low-strung Max 200G, Mac-style, with the usual old-school grips and strokes. He looked great on-court attired top to toe in his Adidas Lendl "Dali" line of gear, and Lendl Supreme shoes. Always tucked in and immaculate. Sigh.
     
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  18. Tshooter

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    Most beautiful backhand since Rosewall. His whole game was smooooooooth.
     
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    i hate him,,,,he always copied JP Mcenroe by using the same racket, always. and he had a mental block against John so he was owned by JP.
     
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  20. suwanee4712

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    RK was a wonder to watch. He made the game look so easy. That's true talent and artistic ability on the court.

    Someone else mentioned Santoro in reference to RK, and I would agree. I missed RK when he dropped off the scene. And I'm already missing "The Magician."

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  21. Enlightened Coelacanth

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    Like Miloslav Mecir, he was an artistic master and peerless pure hitter of the ball. There were very few his equal.
    But he was undersized, not especially athletic and could get over powered. He wouldn't have a snowcone's chance in hell of making it in the ultra physical world of today's pro game but he was beautiful to watch.
    What a pleasure.
     
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    i read this thread right before i went to sleep last night and then had a dream that i watched Krishnan play doubles with Fabrice Santoro on a cruise ship. also Krishnan was wearing swimming trunks and weighed about 300 pounds. :confused:
     
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    Next time watch a movie with spies, international intrigue and a bevy of beauties before you go to sleep.:)
     
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  24. sureshs

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    Do you know the joke about RK's slow serve (he actually aced opponents with a double bounce):

    RK was playing a tournament in 1987 and hit a first serve.

    It is yet to cross the net.
     
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  25. sureshs

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    Twice to the W semis
     
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    yup I remember watching quite a few matches in Chennai when me was a kid, and then some in the davis cup. which were always fun. but the one i remember on the atp is the one he played against jim juggernaut courier in the olympics i think. this was when jim was #1? neways RK lost in 4 but it was hilarious. i was laughing my as-s off the entire time. RK was making jim run from side to side with clever angles and extreme placement. it was very cartoonish and the most i have laughed in a tennis match. the look on jim's face was priceless the entire time, esp. if u remem he had that scowl when he was into it. priceless.
     
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  27. rajeshafrica

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    Ramesh Krishan was very gifted Indian player, known for his fabulous touch play and control. He won the junior titles at Wimbledon and French in 1977. He was a quarter finalists at Wimbledon and at US Open. Did Yeoman Service for India at the Davis Cup. He played a critical part in India reaching the Davis cup finals along with Vijay Amritraj in 1987. Has won four deciding matches in the davis cup when the tie was at 2 – all against Horacio de La Pena of Argentina, Wally Masur of Australia ( in the semi finals ), Rodolphe Gilbert of France and Jakob Hlask of Switzer land. Later went on to become Non Playing captain of the Indian Davis Cup team. Now runs a tennis academy at Chennai India his home town. He was also known for his sportsmanship and impeccable manners on and off the court. His biggest win was against Wilander at the 89 Aua Open.

    His playing style was basically serve and volley and attacking service returns. He took an extremely early ball especially while returning serves. He was blessed with a great sense of anticipation, that made athleticism redundant in his case. His accuracy was legendary on the tour and was nicknamed the surgeon.His major draw back was lack of power especially on the serve. He could not adjust very well with the era of powerful mid size rackets. If he was fortunate to have played more during the time of wooden rackets his results would have been more impressive.

    Incidentally his father Ramanathan Krishnan also won junior Wimbledon in 1955. and was good enough to reach the semifinals of Wimbledon twice in 1960 and 1961,losing to eventual winners Fraser and Laver on both occasion, players he beat at queens club the same years. He was seeded four at Wimbledon in 1962 and had good draw to the finals but unfortunately he twisted his ankle while playing in the third round and had to default. In 1961 he beat Roy Emerson in straight sets within an hour at Wimbeldon. Like his son Ramesh he won the decider in the Davis cup semifinal tie against Brazils Thomas Koch to lead India to its first Davis cup Finals against Australia., this time coming back from two sets to love and 5 – 2 down in the third set to win in five sets.
     
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    Krishnan vs Mecir would've been a sight to see.
    Can anyone point us in the direction of some Ramesh footage online ?
     
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    Mydream involved oh forget it I will get banned!
     
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  30. Bhagi Katbamna

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    Krish v. Mecir would not be as fun as seeing either of them just taking apart a basher.
     
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    Today's kids would ridicule it and call it "slow and boring".

    I feel sorry for today's kids - for they have no idea how much fun creative tennis can be - they've never been exposed to it.
     
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  32. nanni

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    maestro

    agree with duece and the rest who have seen this 'creative artist' in full flow.
    when he was toying around with wally masur or wilander,the applause of the spectators were akin to watching a maestro on the piano or violin or a magician.they were looking at each other and shaking their heads in appreciation and disbelief as though saying 'how did he do that?!'
    it was like watching chess,magic,music and sport together.
    yes,he did get blown away sometimes by the big power players,but dont forget that he was only 5 feet and 7 inches tall(no fault of his!).if he had the height and the leverage on the serve,he would have been ranked much higher.i mean,how many 5'7" players were better than him?
     
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    i´m looking for some rk-videos but i can´t find any....are there any available?
     
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    haven't seen him play but heard that he was a pretty good player........
     
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  35. Moose Malloy

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    a Krishnan match has finally been added to youtube. the beatdown he(and the entire Indian team) received from Sweden in the '87 DC Final.

     
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  36. Tshooter

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    Nice find Moose.
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    I liked the guys game. I watched him a few times at USO. I forgot how chunky he looked, at least late career. He did hit slow even for the 70s. And his 5'7", 140lbs physique which he is listed at atptour site is strictly 1970s tennis tour. So is his backhand. (And, yes, I realize the match is 1987).
     
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  37. Dan Lobb

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    Some good overview of Krishnan's game,



    Krishnan was runner-up to Hoad in the 1957 Northern Grass Championships, and was runner-up to Bedard in a great final in the 1957 Canadian, a title he would win twice in the years ahead.
    He defeated Laver at Wimbledon in 1959 in the Davis Cup, defeated Gimeno at Wimbledon in 1960, Emerson at Wimbledon in 1961.
     
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  38. suwanee4712

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    You say "Krishnan" and I smile. Just a wonderful artist with a racket. I think they called him the mongoose because he could use his smarts and touch to beat bigger, stronger hitters.
     
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  39. carpedm

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    I actually have a really interesting match between Gerulaitis and Krishnan, Wimbeldon 82.

    I think it was one of Vitas's first matches with a graphite racket too.

    That match was compelling because neither of the two played knockout tennis, their points had to be won through construction and thought. Also, the grass made them sort of up-their-aggression because you have to be on that surface.

    Krishnan was no Lendl, but when he needed to he could put some decent weight on the ball. He also managed to keep Vitas guessing on the second ball, which is impressive since Gerulaitis was such a chip and charge artist. It also should be noted that Krishnan's serve had very little knee-bend, which meant a lot of his pop came from a good wrist snap.

    On that day, it was the guy who went out to win the points who won - so much so that you have to wonder: why the hell didn't these guys do this more often?

    Note: for the most part, Krishnan was one level below all the great control players. His anticipation was almost Nastase/McEnroe and his racket stills were almost Mecir/McEnroe, but he wasn't quite there. Also, I don't think he was as out-of-shape as people say when he played. I think he was just built a certain way.

    I have to take exception to the statement that he wouldn't do well today. I see the logic, the game has changed - the ball is hit harder because the courts are slower and the strings keep the balls in. But one should never underestimate a thinker. People who pay their mortgages using their wits shouldn't be dismissed so easily.
     
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