Rank the top 10 in order of intelligence

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Who is the most intelligent of the top 10?

  1. Djokovic

    8 vote(s)
    10.3%
  2. Nadal

    11 vote(s)
    14.1%
  3. Federer

    35 vote(s)
    44.9%
  4. Murray

    3 vote(s)
    3.8%
  5. Tsonga

    3 vote(s)
    3.8%
  6. Ferrer

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    0.0%
  7. Berdych

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Tipsarevic

    13 vote(s)
    16.7%
  9. Del-Potro

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Isner

    5 vote(s)
    6.4%
  1. tank_job

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    What does this question even mean?

    Is this thread a joke!?

    No idea, but give it a shot.

    1]. Djokovic
    2]. Tipsarevic
    3]. Federer
    4]. Ferrer
    5]. Del-Potro
    6]. Isner
    7]. Berdych
    8]. Tsonga
    9]. Nadal
    10]. Murray
     
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  2. The Wreck

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    Tipsy is known to be quite the intellectual.
     
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  3. Alchemy-Z

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    Well if you go by level of education Isner went to college and graduated the rest did not.
     
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  4. zcarzach

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    If only a college degree were actually an indicator of intelligence... :) I'd say Tipsy is probably the smartest.
     
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    Tipsaraveic has a degree in sports management, so he has to be close to the top of the list. He would have had to have finished his undergraduate required math/science/literature courses to get the degree.

    Federer knows Swiss-german, French, English, German, and also maybe some Slovakian because that's where Mirka was from. That's about 5 languages which requires a lot of memorization, which most people can't even hold onto two languages. Also I'm kind of curious, what language does Mirka and Federer talk to each other in? Swiss-german?
     
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    1]. Djokovic
    2]. Tipsarevic
    3]. Federer
    4]. Isner
    5]. Ferrer
    6]. Tsonga
    7]. Nadal
    8]. Del Potro
    9]. Berdych
    10]. Murray
     
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  7. The-Champ

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    Youzhny has a PhD in philosophy. The rest do not. However, idiots here will probably label him as dumb because he doesn't speak English as well as Federer or Djokovic.


    Mario Ancic has a law degree if I'm not mistaken.
     
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    I don't know about you guys, but it seems to me that Nadal looks a bit dumber than the rest.
     
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    Intelligence as in IQ, or intelligence as in amount/extent of schooling?
     
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  10. JeMar

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    Has anyone actually engaged him in a good conversation? Anyone can find a Russian author's quite and tattoo it on his arm. I don't doubt he's smart, but I'd like to see some excerpts from interviews or something that show that he's smarter than the average tennis player.
     
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  11. tank_job

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    Whatever.

    Neither IQ nor memory is a decisive measure of intelligence, so will leave the definition up to you.

    Most people will probably go with whoever 'comes across' as being the smartest.
     
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  12. SwankPeRFection

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    If we're talking IQ, I thought Roddick was up there a bit as well? Surprised he's not on the list.
     
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    Looks can be deceiving... but not in this case haha. You're probably right, he looks a bit like a monkey.

    I'll go with the UGA alum Isner, though I don't put too much stock in any of those southern schools.
     
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  14. SwankPeRFection

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    UGA is a party school, lol.
     
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  15. tennischemist

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    gotta be Federer or Djokovic

    in the past I always thought Roddick was very sharp.

    James Blake spent a couple of years at Harvard, which isn't as known for accepting less-smart athletes as a place like Stanford.

    Nadal has to be the dumbest, or at least the worst at langauge acquisition
     
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  16. feetofclay

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    Federer once said in an interview that he doesn't understand one word of his wifes' language. His mother is an English speaker and the German comes from his fathers' side, so you would expect him to be fluent in both. That leaves French which he had to learn as a teenager, because he trained in Switzerland’s national training center in Ecublens, near Lausanne, which is in the French speaking part of the country. He was also reputed to be less than average when it came to school studies.

    On the otherhand we have Nadal, who people on this board class as unintelligent. He speaks Spanish,which is not his first language, Mallorquin, Catalan, (Mallorquin and Catalan are languages in their own right, not dialects of Spanish) French, English and Italian. Maybe he doesn't speak all of them perfectly, but he speaks them well enough to get by.

    If as you seem to be suggesting, language skills are a measure of intelligence, then Nadal leaves Federer standing.
     
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  17. sureshs

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    Why this notion that Fed is more intelligent than Nadal without any evidence to support it?

    I voted for Nadal because he is intelligent enough to always find a way to win even if he is down.
     
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  18. tennischemist

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    Nadal speaks French? Does he do it at RG?

    edit: he dropped some mediocre french to please the crowd in 2010, that's not speaking french.


    also mallorqui is not really a distinct language from catalan except politically
     
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  19. feetofclay

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    Yes he did this year. He has often said that he understands french perfectly but hasn't always had the confidence to speak in French. This year he through caution to the wind and did his acceptance speech in French, Spanish, Catalan and English, as well as doing courtside interviews in French. In Rome he did his speech in Italian.
     
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    I couldn't possibly say, only two of those guys speak English as a first language for a start, and even if they appear to be fluent in it they can still muck up occasionally and momentarily appear to be dumber than they are.

    Saying that, Federer seems like a smart guy (forwarding motions on the council for things that benefit others at his expense, or playing chess as a kid etc), Nadal apparently has some quite deep insights on things when speaking in his native tongue (books etc), and I think Murray has a good head on his shoulders too (apparently very good at maths).

    No idea about the others I'm afraid. I don't really consider education to be an indicator of intelligence though. Person A knowing something person B doesn't, no matter how commonly known this "something" is, doesn't make person B less intelligent. A person doesn't know what they don't know.
     
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  21. tennischemist

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    i will have to watch that

    was the english "this was fantastic, novak played fantastic, but i played fantastic, i feel fantastic"
     
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  22. krz

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    ^^Hence why I said I don't put much stock in any of those southern schools they are all jokes, even the "good" ones.


    Murray looks like a math whiz though.
     
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  23. tennischemist

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    also i guess being a top tennis player is inherently anti-academic because Tennis has to come first and you might go to a sports academy where the classes are definitely a joke, and you probably won't get much real education

    the image of Federer as the smartest probably is tied into the fact that he looks like the most sophisticated and elegant, and he speaks a bunch of languages. Why he was exposed to them is irrelevant THOUGH living on Mallorca defintiely limited Nadal's exposure to non-Iberian langauges (non Balearic moreso)

    that said Djokovic SEEMS (gut feeling, nothing else) to be the smartest because he has the best sense of humor now that Roddick is pretty much out of the public eye
     
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    Never said or implied that Federer is of higher intelligence than Nadal. I didn't know Nadal was fluent in more languages than just Spanish, that's why I didn't throw out his name.
     
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    This is just mighty impressive. The guy played a respectable schedule from 2005-11 too! Must have been a lot of stress.

    And no, I am not going to bring this up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi-CgSO9Evw
     
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    I'm a fan of quick wit, so I would have said Roddick had his game not gone to suck and dropped out of the Top 10, so I'll have to go with Djokovic in that area.

    Federer, with his quick command of tennis history and stats (his own and other players) and his language skills, might have the best memory. He's a thoughtful guy obviously. And Tipsy might be the best-read and smartest in the philosophy student sense.

    After that, I'd say Isner. Some of them it's hard to judge because of the language differences; none seems impressively sharp, but Nadal and Murray do seem to fall near the bottom.
     
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    I think this pole is demeaning to the players.

    Who cares, leave them alone.

    Ed

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    We just don't know these guys well enough to make that kind of assessment. There are so many different types of intelligence anyway - Roddick has a sharp wit, Novak is smooth and well-spoken, both Fed and Nadal can be quite thoughtful in a philosophical-type way when relaxed.

    I don't think counting languages means much.

    Fed wasn't a good student and still has a phobia against reading books, though he'll read newspapers and magazines. Wouldn't call him stupid though.
     
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    people voted for isner, seriously lol
     
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    Nadal is a genius. Nuff said.
     
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    Tennis players in general are dumbasses, even when they seem to be smart or have schooling/whatever.

    Not that I'm hating or anything, if you want to be pro you have to give up your life for tennis. Doesn't leave you much time for other things
     
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    In no particular order:
    Tipsarević is the ATP philosopher, I like him a lot.
    I like Roger because he is very open-minded and a no bs type, people mistake that for arrogance.
    Murray is a deep thinker and a tortured soul. I'm sure people misread and, what is worse, underestimate him a lot. But he is not someone who would justify himself.
    Berdych strikes me as a pretty feisty individual. I bet he can debate anyone into ground.
     
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    Please. Duke, Emory, Rice and Vanderbilt are some of the greatest universities in the world, though UGA is definitely not one of them.
     
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    I don't know about the smartest but I bet Nadal is the dumbest lol.
     
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    The guy holds a PhD in philosphy, but obviously not a master of his emotions.

    Most geniuses possess some rather peculiar characteristics/habits. Youzhny happens to like smacking his own head with a racket when under pressure.
     
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  37. papertank

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    Tipsarevic, Murray and Djokovic and Federer seem the smartest to me. Isner is a college grad so that is something to be admired. I think Nadal is smarter than people give him credit for, in some interviews he seems to be wise beyond his years.
     
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    this is obviously not the point of this topic but these big state schools are really what you make of them, they have honors programs and stuff to keep smart in-staters there.. if you're going with the sole purpose of getting fratty, then yeah it'll be a joke but in the past 15 years they've really been trying to accommodate more studious kids with smaller classes and honors dorms and stuff
     
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    yes. I think out of the current novak is the most intelligent.

    federer doesn't come across especially intelligent although you have to admit that he is well spoken and doesn't say dumb stuff. not as witty as novak though. nadal on the other hand sounds very insecure. about their actual intelligence levels however I cannot say anything but speculate.
     
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    Impossible to tell, since their PR teams coach them on how to answer softball questions. Have to give them each a test! They all do reasonably well enough in press conferences to avoid making a fool of themselves.
    :)
     
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  41. Joseph L. Barrow

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    He's a smart guy, but alas, he isn't in the top 10 these days.

    Out of the current top 10, I think Federer is clearly a very bright fellow, particularly given his impressive fluency in several languages. Tipsarevic, with his degree and philosophical tattoos, is an obvious choice as well. Isner, who also earned a degree, comes across to me as above-average in intelligence.

    I'm not sure where Djokovic would fall; he does have a good sense of humor, but at least insofar as the English language is concerned, it doesn't come across in the form of something like clever wise-cracking that would suggest high intelligence so much as it does hamminess (physical impressions, stripping, silly dancing, etc.). On that note, I actually think Murray shows a pretty intelligent, sardonic sense of humor on those rare occasions in which he partakes of jest. Nadal doesn't strike me as terribly smart, particularly seeing how strained his English is even after all these years of regular exposure to the language, though he could be sharp in a non-linguistic fashion; this is, of course, an obvious problem with trying to "rank" someone's intelligence-- particularly someone you don't know intimately.

    In fact, I disavow any serious claim to accuracy insofar as the foregoing body of conjecture is concerned; those are just my impressions.
     
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  42. nereis

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    It's incredibly difficult to say when it comes to something as vague as 'intelligence.'

    There are all sorts.

    When it comes to academics most tennis players would fail spectacularly. Agassi came across as one of the more self-aware and well spoken players of his generation, and he admitted in his book that he had to have his mother pass his GED for him.

    Even the most educated (in terms of rank at least), Youzhny, had his PhD dissertation on "the philosophy and attitudes of tennis." Now, that's not to disparage his achievement in any way, but it's clear that his intelligence is focused towards tennis and not towards say, theoretical mathematics or machine learning.

    In terms of the most overtly intellectual, I would say that Ancic (who was ATP President before Roger) takes the cake. When asked about his favourite film, he gave a film that only an indie film buff would give (compared to the almost countless 'Gladiator' responses). He also has a JD.

    In the same vein, Tipsarevic would be a similar sort of man in my eyes. A love of literature and philosophy points towards an introspective nature.

    So we're pretty much left with only their interviews and press conferences to judge by. Now, this is not to say that learning many languages does not take skill, but one of the most preeminent mathematics geniuses of our age can only speak Cantonese on a conversational level and is only literate in English.

    If I were able to, I'd be judging them all on how they conducted themselves in their native language. But unfortunately I'm not gifted enough to have been raised speaking five or so languages.

    I'd first probably point to people who have a love of cracking jokes in press conferences as someone who has good verbal reasoning. Roddick was the clear winner there.

    However, the rest can't be clearly distinguished, because as we all know, most of the answers are scripted for maximum PR.
     
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    None of these jocks seem particularly smart to me. I wouldn't know where to begin to try and put the top ten in some type of order based on intelligence.
    That is a tough ask! :lol:
     
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    I agree with you. I also don't get the whole Tipsarevic thing. He is a homophobic male chauvinist. Not exactly someone I would consider to be smart holding views like that.
     
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    I can't stand Tipsarevic. (shudders)
     
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    Someone doesn't have to hold political/social views that you agree with to be intelligent.

    Otherwise, I'd be saying that someone like Goebbels (who conveniently holds personal views that are disagreed with by the vast majority of the population, for convenience's sake, you can replace him with whomever eugenicist you feel like) was unintelligent. And seeing as how he managed to get a doctorate in 19th Century literature, he must have had some modicum of intelligence (either that or PhDs in literature can be had for a few years of waffling around).

    So for example, Tipsarevic could be perfectly articulate and intelligent but just happen to have differing views on the nature of gender to you. It wouldn't be the first time that the culture in which we were raised has influenced our views of social constructions.
     
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    Murray deserves more votes
     
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    "Can a swallow that weighs 5 ounces carry a 1 pound coconut?"

    The true test of intelligence.
     
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  50. tennischemist

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    speaking of roddick being hilarious

    i'm watching hit for haiti and he gets called for foot faulting and says

    "you really want to foot fault me at a charity event? you realize Serena's over there, right?"
     
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