Rank these backhands according to topspin RPM

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  1. always_crosscourt

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    Almagro, Gasquet, Wawrinka, Youzhny, Federer, Dimitrov, Kohlschreiber, Haas - we'll throw in Djokovic and Nalbandian as well to see how a great 2hbh ranks compared to a 1hbh in terms of topspin.

    Highest topspin first, least topspin (flattest) last.

    Here's my list;

    1). Almagro
    2). Gasquet
    3). Wawrinka
    4). Dimitrov
    5). Federer
    6). Nalbandian
    7). Kohlschreiber
    8. Djokovic
    9). Haas
    10). Youzhny

    How would you rank them?
     
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  2. axel89

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    interesting how 1h backhands have usually more topspin i belive this is because they brush up on the ball know the main thing i think andreev has the most poor man's nadal is what they call him
     
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    yup, he should write a book.
    you would read it in one go because, you know, it's just one sentence.
     
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    Not too tough to understand what he says. many non English speaking posters here, what's the big deal?

    Anyways, from the way it looks, I think Gasquet has the most rpm.
     
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    isn't almagro hitting quite flat? he is a huge hitter but I'm not sure if his BH is really spinny.
     
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    Almagro?

    He's a clay court one hander with a huge take-back, intense racket head speed and a whippy finish - why would you think his backhand is flat?

    I would think it rivals Gasquet's if not beating Gasquet's.
     
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    And many of them are excellent at writing english. Seriously, look at Zagor, Dilettante, Mandy, The_Champ etc.



    I think Wawrinka gets more rpms than Gasket.
     
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    almost all of the people you put hiit very flat bh.
     
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    I think Federer is being underrated here, he gets a surprising amount of spin on his backhand. In terms of pace he might be a lower than some of these guys but his spin is right up there.
     
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    o.0 In those videos, Gasquet stands even further back than he does now.

    I'd put Wawrinka quite low, because his swing is quite short and not too loopy. Gasquet would be highest, thanks to that massive takeback, followed by Almagro.
     
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    OK, who do you think has more spin than the people mentioned here. Two handed backhand or one handed - doesn't matter - who do you know that hits the most spin off the backhand.
     
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    Alright, for fun, we'll add Nadal's BACKHAND into the ranking. Not his forehand, his backhand. Because this thread is about backhands.

    I'd put him;

    1). Almagro
    2). Gasquet
    3). Wawrinka
    4). Dimitrov
    5). Federer
    6). Nadal
    7). Nalbandian
    8. Kohlschreiber
    9). Djokovic
    10). Haas
    11). Youzhny
     
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    List invalid. You can't determine who, of these players, have the most RPM on their backhands.
    Why?
    It's a mix of one handers and two handers. The appropriate question would be "of these two handers, who has the most RPM?" same question for the one handers, would just have to be a separate question.
     
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    Oh what, why should we only compare 1hbh's with other 1hbh's and 2hbh's with other 2hbh's? They're both backhands.

    It's not like there's a special league where only 1hbh's play - they mix in with the 2hbh's, and it's absolutely appropriate to compare aspects of the shot (like topspin generation) between 1hbh's and 2hbh's - to see who gets the most spin off their backhand side (however they hit it) to angle their opponent off the court, and kick shots up at their face.

    I want to see how the heaviest of the 2-handers stack up against the heaviest of the 1-handers - so what would be the point of me only comparing like with like?

    Yeah, if there was spin data for every players' every stroke on tour it would be perfect, but as far as I know - people are claiming Nadal has the most spin out of anyone on tour when they only measured his forehand, and the sample size seems to be about... three (Nadal, Federer and Djokovic).

    There's no spin data for pretty much everyone apart from Federer, Nadal and Djokovic, and perhaps unlike you I don't have a high quality ultra slow-mo enabled camera and ready access to all the top touring pro's to demo their strokes for me one by one so I can record all their spin data... hence this thread.
     
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    I'm not sure I agree with Almagro over Gasquet at the top. It's hard to say, though, I guess, because while Gasquet's rally ball is spinnier than Almagro's (in my opinion), he flattens the ball out much more when he goes for winners, while Almagro usually keeps the heavy spinning ball even when he's going for the lines.

    Other than that, good list. Maybe switch Nalbandian and Djokovic, though.
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFRa2pHjX2w

    Maybe Dimitrov should be ranked higher, he does seem to get a lot of height over the net on his backhand, and his ball gets a lot of kick off the court.

    He has a conservative grip, but his freakish upper body flexibility means his swing is extremely long and whip-like and he often ends with his hands nearly touching together behind his back. He also uses the form of backhand like Federer's (surprise, surprise) where the hitting arm stays bent longer than most before straightening out right around contact. This is said to add more spin.
     
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    Gasquet for best one hander, he can set points with it and resists Nadal's spin fest. Not Almagro, his mentality is "If I hit hard and it comes back, hit harder" with it, although it's reliable. Let's also quote Wawrinka which I put along Almagro, Haas, and I forget a lot. Djokovic or Nalbandian for best two hander, followed by the likes of Murray for example. Mention to Simon's DTL backhand, but he can't provide the power himself, so it's so-so.
     
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    And from that video, what do you think?

    Kohlschreiber played Troicki today on clay, and he was frequently hitting with heavy supination from the backhand side when trying (successfully) to pull Troicki off the court cross-court. The ball he was hitting looped like crazy bounced up really high, and looked like it had a ton of spin on it.

    I dunno, Kohlschreiber is up there with the best with his topspin backhand.
     
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    I wonder how Dimitrov fares in this comparison...

    His loopy shots do kick up high, and he looks like he hits a Gasquet-type ball (i.e. 'spinny'), not a Haas-type ball (i.e. 'flat') off the backhand side. This is despite having the same conservative grip as Haas - nowhere near as extreme as Gasquet's grip.
     
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    1. Wawa
    2. Gasquet
    3. Almagro
    4. Garcia-Lopez
    5. Youzhny
    6. Federer
    7. Haas
    8. Dimitrov
    9. Kohlschreiber
    10. Guga (despite retirement, still makes list)
     
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