Rank these five players in order from best to worst

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  1. tenniswriter

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    These five players who I think are very similar in terms of results. None of them have won a Grand Slam but have come close and probably never will.
    1.)Nikolay Davydenko 2.)David Ferrer 3.) Jo-Wilfried Tsonga 4.)David Nalbandian 5.)Tommy Haas
     
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  2. The Bawss

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    David Ferrer, Davydenko, Tsonga, Haas and Nalbandian.

    Very close though.
     
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    I will rank them based on highest potential.

    1. Tommy Haas
    2. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga
    3. David Nalbandian
    4. Nikolay Davydenko
    5. David Ferrer
     
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    At their peak

    1. Davydenko
    2. Nalbandian
    3. Haas
    4. Tsonga
    5. Ferrer
     
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  5. christinamaniac7

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    1. Nalby
    2. Haas
    3. JWT
    4. Ferrer
    5. Davy...
     
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    1. Nalbandian
    2. Tsonga
    3. Davydenko
    4. Haas
    5. Ferrer
     
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  8. dominikk1985

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    Highest ranking, career titles, GS QFs, GS SFs, GS F, GS W

    Haas: 2, 13, 7, 4, 0, 0

    Nalby: 3, 11, 10, 4, 1, 0

    Davy: 3, 21, 8, 4, 0, 0

    tsonga: 5, 9, 8, 4, 1, 0

    Ferrer: 4, 16, 9, 4, 0, 0

    According to this Davy is no. 1 of that group. after this it gets tough. outside of the GS ferrer had the best career but he never made a final. tsonga and nalby made a final but did not win a lot outside of the slams. tsonga I would rank last out of that group. but ferrer, nalby and haas are quite close.


    does anyone have weeks in the top10 for them?
     
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  9. Candide

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    I agree completely - you are spot on. Davydenko is a firecracker when he's on. I love Ferrer's grit but he's not quite there with the rest of these guys.
     
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  10. Gonzo_style

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    I would only put Davy on second place, WTF and 3 masters title is better than 1 masters and GS final! And btw Davy should have been in RG final 2005!
     
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    Tsonga
    Nalbandian
    Haas
    Davydenko
    Ferrer
     
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    tsonga? IMO he is the last out of them. davydenko should be one, since he has won most tournaments and was ranked 3rd in the world.

    tsonga was ranked the lowest and has won the least tournaments out of that group the one final he made doesn't move him up enough.

    haas also was not as consistent. he was ranked second in the world but had the least weeks in the top 10. most of the time he was a to20 player or even out if he was injured.

    so I would rank:

    1. davy

    4.haas
    5.tsonga

    then it is about nalby vs ferrer. here I would give nalby the nod because of the slam final and more wins against top players.

    so my rank is

    1. davy
    2.nalby
    3. ferrer
    4. haas
    5. tsonga

    maybe you could even put haas last if I think again.
     
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  13. フェデラー

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    Haas would probably top the list had he not missed massive chunks of his career.
     
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    nalby, davy, tsonga, haas, ferrer ...
     
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    So many factors to consider....depends on what you value, really.

    I'd go with Nalbandian, Davydenko a close second, then Ferrer, Tsonga and Haas.
     
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  16. rafafan20

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    Tsonga would have won a major but for Djoker's ball bouncing getting in his head.
     
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  17. veroniquem

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    In terms of results:

    - Davydenko: 21 titles, 3 masters, 1 WTF (+ 1 WTF final)
    - Haas: 13 titles, 1 master (+ 1 master and 1 Olympics final)
    - Nalby: 11 titles, 2 masters/ 1 WTF (+ 4 M finals and 1 slam final)
    - Ferrer: 16 titles, 0 master (+ 3 Master finals and 1 WTF final)
    - Tsonga: 9 titles, 1 master (+ 1 master final, 1 WTF final and 1 slam final)

    I'm gonna proritize titles over finals, so that would give:

    1- Davydenko (biggest weakness in his resume = no slam final)
    2- Nalby (imo more talented than Davy but less consistent, biggest weakness = not many titles overall)
    3- Ferrer (mostly minor league leader, biggest weaknesses = no master title + no slam final. I still put him ahead of Tsonga because of big difference in # of titles overall)
    4- Tsonga (comes before Haas because of slam final and record vs fab 3)
    5- Haas (hasn't done anything special really, a bit like Ferrer, more of a minor league player)
     
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  18. norbac

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    Reached number 2 in the world and won a Masters title. That already puts him ahead of Ferrer for me. Haas always seemed to me a much more dangerous opponent for the top players than Ferrer. Would also put Tsonga ahead of Ferrer, won a Masters title and reached a Slam Final. I weigh the importance of titles a bit more than the overall number of titles.
     
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    just FYI, tsonga made the YEC final in 2011 ......
     
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  20. veroniquem

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    I agree about possibly putting Tsonga ahead of Ferrer. If one considers records in tier 1 events ONLY, then sure. But I chose to not ignore # of titles and it also seems to me Ferrer is more consistent than Tsonga on the whole, but yes I can see your point. On the other hand, I don't even see why Haas is in the list (in terms of tier 1 events). It should be Berdych instead who has a slam final on top of a master title. So I would have Berd in the top 5 and Haas only 6th (or even 7th as I suspect Soderling should be before him as well, maybe even others I haven't thought about yet).
     
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    You're right. I edited it.
     
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  22. Federer20042006

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    The thing with Tsonga is he's still going and I think has a chance to add to his resume, whereas everybody else on this list is done adding, as far as I can tell. I really don't see Ferrer ever getting that Masters...but I could see Tsonga winning Paris again or something, as well as some more Grand Slam SFs.
     
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  23. norbac

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    Good call on Soderling, he should definitely be in this conversation.
     
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    Soderling and Berdych should both be in on this list, both are around Tsonga's level. Ferrer hasn't even won a Masters or made a major final which IMO puts him in last place amongst these. Davydenko should probably be first, though you can make an argument for Nalbandian or even Soderling (for 2 GS Finals made in spectacular fashion)
     
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  25. NadalAgassi

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    1. Nalbandian
    2. Davydenko

    The first two you could actually imagine winning a slam unlike the others.

    3. Haas. I guess you could imagine him winning a slam but it would always have been a long shot.

    4. Tsonga. Talented but way too inconsistent to win a slam. Atleast Davydenko and Nalbandian can play their best tennis for a month or two or for a couple tournaments.

    5. Ferrer. No slam final, no Masters titles, no ranking higher than #5 ever, not in the league of the others.
     
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  26. BauerAlmeida

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    Pretty much this. Although I don't see a big difference between Haas and Davy. But agree on the rest.
     
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    1. David Nalbandian
    2. Nikolay Davydenko
    3. Tommy Haas
    4. David Ferrer
    5. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga
     
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  28. veroniquem

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    How can you see no difference between Davy and Haas :confused: So now, winning WTF has become irrelevant?? (as well as more titles and more masters?) I'll have to remember that next time we discuss Nadal vs Fed :)
     
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    What's your rationale for putting Tsonga last and Haas 3rd? Sorry but I don't get the logic here. Once again, what has Haas done that is so impressive? I don't see it.
     
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  30. NadalAgassi

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    Davydenko owns Nadal on hard courts even in Nadal's prime. That is not easy at all to do as Nadal is a way better hard court player than this forum credits him for being, and something I cant envision someone like Haas ever doing, even peak Haas (2001-2002 I guess). Also winning the WTF is a major achievement, especialy beating Federer en route to doing it, also straight setting Del Potro at his career peak in the final. Davydenko was able to mantain being a top 5ish player for about 5 years, Haas never had that kind of longevity as a top player, granted he had alot more injuries than Davydenko too.
     
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  31. NadalAgassi

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    He reached #2 in the World in 2002. His best tennis was late 2001 and early 2002. He won a tournament pre U.S Open beating Sampras, won the Stuttgart Masters beating then #1 Hewitt in the semis, and was a bit unlucky to not win the 2002 Australian Open. Then he had injuries and a motorbike accident to his parents and wasnt the same since. The only reason I rated him over Tsonga is that he did reach World #2. Other than that he doesnt have anything over Tsonga really.
     
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    Thanks for explaining! Sampras wasn't that hard to beat around 2000, especially in a smaller event. Haas beat Fed in Halle too but I can't imagine him beating any of the top 4 in a slam. Tsonga beat Fed in a slam and a master, Nadal in a slam and WTF and Djoko a bunch of times, don't remember where.
     
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    nalbandian, haas, davydenko, tsonga, ferrer.
     
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  34. norbac

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    2002 Australian Open he beat Fed. But then again Haas' prime years were way before the Big 3/4 started to dominate tennis.....
     
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  35. NadalAgassi

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    Good points. Tsonga is probably better than Haas. I just gave Haas his due tof his #2 ranking he reached. It does seem Haas was in possible contention to win a major more often than Tsonga. I thought he could have won the 2001 U.S Open, 2002 Australian Open, even maybe the 2002 U.S or 2006 Australian Opens. The only major I thought Tsonga could win was Wimbledon 2008. Maybe that is since Tsonga faced alot more competition though.
     
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    At the beginning of 2002, Fed wasn't even a top player, ANYONE could beat him, let's be serious. Maybe I should have added that Tsonga beat all those players while they were at the top, not before they broke through but that seemed so obvious to me... Still bummer for Haas all those injuries, he could probably have had a much better career without them.
     
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  37. norbac

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    Hence the second sentence in my post......
     
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    Except Haas didn't even make the final of all the slams you listed, so if you look at actual results (rather than just virtual), you have to give it to Tsonga (Tsonga had to beat both Murray and Nadal to get to that AO final in 2008). I agree that Tsonga's problem is consistency, so maybe Haas would score a point there. Then again, for how long was Haas consistent? It seems his career was pretty much ruined by injuries.
     
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    1. Davydenko 2. Nalbandian 3. Haas 4. Tsonga 5. Ferrer

    I think Berdych and Soderling would rank above Tsonga and Ferrer though.
     
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    As I said, I still put Davy over Haas. But Haas reached N2 and despite being completely destroyed by injuries, he is till playing at the TOP level at 34. Davydenko is a lot younger and his level dropped drastically.
     
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    It is pretty incredible how Tommy has had such a good year. Not only is he 34, but his body has to be beat up from so many injuries.
     
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  42. NadalAgassi

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    That is true too . Haas has way more longevity as a good player despite all the injuries he has had.
     
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  43. Gonzo_style

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    I think Ferrer was #4 after good results at TMC 2007 and AO 2008.
     
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    1. Nalbandian. BY FAR in terms of prime-peak play
    2. Davydenko
    3. Tsonga
    4. Haas
    5. Ferrer
     
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    Haas was better than Tsonga. Haas was number two in the world and he was injured a lot. I think had he not been injured he would have had a much more consistent career with better results. Haas is very talented, how do you explain how he has managed to come back and be ranked number 20 at age 34? He had a lot of bad breaks in his career. His results do not indicate his true talent level imo.
     
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    I don't think so.
     
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  47. veroniquem

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    I was ranking them according to achievements. That's what we have to pass judgements on players. It is possible Haas could have done better but we'll never know. As things are, Tsonga is a threat the the top players in big events much more than Haas. And at 34, Haas still doesn't have a slam final to show in his resume. He had a great season for his age, no doubt but the thread asked to rank the players overall or at least that's how I understood it.
     
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    That WTF win was huge. Beat Federer, Nadal and DelPotro and none of them could do anything about it, he just beat everyone up apart from Djokovic and even that was a 3 setter right at the start of the tournament
     
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    No, I understand how you did your ranking and it is reasonable, I just think that Haas was more talented and consistent in his prime and for me the fact that he was number two in the world cements it. He really had terrible luck in his career with all of those injuries and incidents, for example his parent's car accident.
    For me the biggest different between Haas and Tsonga even today is their will to win. You can see that by Haas' results and desire to get to world number 20 and the age of 34 whereas Tsonga's will to win has been very questionable. Tsonga is a bit of a head case imo. Haas has the stronger will. I am not saying that Haas will overcome Tsonga today because of their age discrepancy but in their primes Haas was the better player imo.
     
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  50. NadalAgassi

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    In fairness we have to remember when Haas reached #2 was at an extremely weak time for the game. To put it into perspective he reached World #2 briefly in September and October 2002, so near the end of the year. Yet in 2002 Haas had not even won a tournament. His slam results were semis, DNP, 4th round, 4th round. He also missed 2 months. On no planet during any of the time period Tsonga was a top player (2008-2012) would you have gotten to #2 with those results, you wouldnt have even gotten into the top 5 with Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray all around near the top all those years.
     
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