Rank top 10 players on all surfaces

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Dutch-Guy, Jul 19, 2010.

  1. Dutch-Guy

    Dutch-Guy Legend

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2009
    Messages:
    7,048
    Location:
    Amsterdam,The Netherlands
    Rank top 10 players on all surfaces

    0-5 : mediocre
    6-8: good
    9-10: best


    1. Nadal:
    Clay: 10
    Grass: 8
    Hardcourt: 6
    Average on all surfaces: 8

    2. Djokovic
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 6
    Hardcourt: 8
    Average on all surfaces: 6.6

    3. Federer:
    Clay: 7
    Grass: 10
    Hardcourt: 10
    Average on all surfaces: 9

    4. Murray
    Clay: 5
    Grass: 7
    Harcourt: 8
    Average on all surfaces: 6.6

    5. Soderling
    Clay: 7
    Grass: 6
    Hardcourt: 6
    Average on all surfaces: 6.6

    6. Davydenko
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 4
    Hardcourt: 7
    Average on all surfaces: 5.6

    7. Del Potro
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 2
    Hardcourt: 8
    Average on all surfaces: 5.3


    8. Berdych
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 6
    Hardcourt: 6
    Average on all surfaces: 6

    9. Roddick
    Clay:3
    Grass: 7
    Hardcourt:8
    Average on all surfaces: 6.

    10. Verdasco:
    Clay: 5
    Grass: 3
    Hardcourt: 6
    Average on all surfaces: 4.6

    Conclusion: TMF is the best on all surfaces followed by The Bull of Mallorca.
     
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2010
    #1
  2. jones101

    jones101 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2008
    Messages:
    4,282
    Location:
    Wales
    Nadal is 8 on HC IMO, he is ine oh the most consistent performers on it and has a GS on it too. Id also put him 9 on grass, 4 finals in last 4 wimbys entered says it all.

    Fed is higher on clay too, IMO.
     
    #2
  3. Dutch-Guy

    Dutch-Guy Legend

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2009
    Messages:
    7,048
    Location:
    Amsterdam,The Netherlands
    I'd rank Djokovic higher than Rafa on HC: 1 Slam,1 slam final,5 masters to Rafa's 1 Slam and 4 masters.

    9=best,which 'd almost equal him to Fed who has 6 titles on that surface.

    How high/low shoulf he be ranked?
     
    #3
  4. vortex1

    vortex1 Banned

    Joined:
    May 2, 2010
    Messages:
    3,119
    Nadal also has olympic gold and he beat Djokovic on the way to it. Also Djokovic should be lower on clay, he hasn't made one RG final and has 0 wins against Nadal on clay.
     
    #4
  5. tennisplayer666

    tennisplayer666 Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2010
    Messages:
    136
    How could both Djoker and Fed be 7 on clay? One has 4 consecutive slams finals and one title. The other has nothing.
     
    #5
  6. single_handed_champion

    single_handed_champion Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2010
    Messages:
    1,104
    Yeah, Nadal at 10+9+8 sounds correct, Roger at 8+10+10 (though could argue for 9 on clay, since he has been so consistent on it, numerous finals, 1 RG). Why is Verdasco 5 on clay? He has actually been more consistent at RG, though his best results have been at the HC slams.
     
    #6
  7. akv89

    akv89 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2007
    Messages:
    1,587
    Are we looking at their form right now or their peak form, or are we averaging their whole career?
    If we look at their best, a rough approximation of these numbers would be 10x their win ratio over their best years. For example, Rafa has something like a 0.97 win ratio on clay (97%), which translates to a 9.7 on your scale.
     
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2010
    #7
  8. JoelDali

    JoelDali G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2009
    Messages:
    10,733
    Do people really have this much time to talk the same topics everyday?

    LOL
     
    #8
  9. tennisplayer666

    tennisplayer666 Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2010
    Messages:
    136
    What else you gonna do? Breathe?
     
    #9
  10. muzza123

    muzza123 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2008
    Messages:
    1,180
    Another thread where people can argue over the accuracy of numbers pulled out of their a55e5.

    Keep up the good work boys! ;)
     
    #10
  11. Dutch-Guy

    Dutch-Guy Legend

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2009
    Messages:
    7,048
    Location:
    Amsterdam,The Netherlands
    You're right.I fixed it.
     
    #11
  12. LeoR

    LeoR Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2010
    Messages:
    292
    1. Nadal:
    Clay: 11
    Grass: 9,5
    Hardcourt: 9
    Average on all surfaces: 9,5

    2. Djokovic
    Clay: 7,5
    Grass: 8
    Hardcourt: 9
    Average on all surfaces: 8

    3. Federer:
    Clay: 8,5
    Grass: 9.5
    Hardcourt: 9,5
    Average on all surfaces: 9

    4. Murray
    Clay: 5
    Grass: 8
    Harcourt: 9
    Average on all surfaces: 8

    5. Soderling
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 6
    Hardcourt: 6
    Average on all surfaces: 6

    6. Davydenko
    Clay: 7,5
    Grass: 4
    Hardcourt: 8
    Average on all surfaces: 7

    7. Del Potro
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 4
    Hardcourt: 9
    Average on all surfaces: 6,5


    8. Berdych
    Clay: 6,5
    Grass: 8
    Hardcourt: 7
    Average on all surfaces: 7

    9. Roddick
    Clay:2
    Grass: 8
    Hardcourt:7
    Average on all surfaces: 6,5

    10. Verdasco:
    Clay: 7,5
    Grass: 3
    Hardcourt: 7
    Average on all surfaces: 6,5


    I did not calcul the average but rather gave an "overall" mark.

    So, to me, Nadal is the best player of the top 10 (which is perfectly in agreement with the ATP rankings) and Soderling the weakest (which is not in agreement with the ATP rankings).
     
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2010
    #12
  13. Dutch-Guy

    Dutch-Guy Legend

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2009
    Messages:
    7,048
    Location:
    Amsterdam,The Netherlands
    There you have it.
    Btw this is my rankings,which is based on what each of them has achieved so far on any of those surfaces.
     
    #13
  14. Semi-Pro

    Semi-Pro Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2010
    Messages:
    3,199
    Location:
    Toronto
    Your post is SPEWING of bias.

    Nadal at 11 for clay? Cool, because I thought the scale we were looking at started from 1 and ended at 10.

    You rank both Federer and Nadal on grass the same, I don't see how that adds up, mind if you expand on your reasoning for this one?...because I can't think of a logical answer. One has 2 Wimbledons, 3? grass titles and the other has 6 Wimbledons and 11 or so grass titles.

    Soderling a 6 on clay? The guy made 2 consecutive FO finals. lol
     
    #14
  15. Jchurch

    Jchurch Guest

    I mean shouldn't Federer be a 11 on Hard Court also then? he has 9 Majors to Nadal's 1. Heck maybe even a 12. How do you justify the 9.5 on grass to both?
     
    #15
  16. kishnabe

    kishnabe G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2008
    Messages:
    17,204
    Location:
    Toronto
    1. Nadal:
    Clay: 12
    Grass: 8
    Hardcourt: 6
    Average on all surfaces: 8.6

    2. Djokovic
    Clay: 8
    Grass: 5
    Hardcourt: 8
    Average on all surfaces: 7

    3. Federer:
    Clay: 8
    Grass: 12
    Hardcourt: 10
    Average on all surfaces: 10

    4. Murray
    Clay: 4
    Grass: 8
    Harcourt: 8
    Average on all surfaces: 6.6

    5. Soderling
    Clay: 8
    Grass: 7
    Hardcourt: 7
    Average on all surfaces: 7.33

    6. Davydenko
    Clay: 7
    Grass: 2
    Hardcourt: 8
    Average on all surfaces: 5.6

    7. Del Potro
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 2
    Hardcourt: 8
    Average on all surfaces: 5.3


    8. Berdych
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 7
    Hardcourt: 7
    Average on all surfaces: 6.66

    9. Roddick
    Clay:3
    Grass: 9
    Hardcourt:8
    Average on all surfaces: 6.66

    10. Verdasco:
    Clay:7
    Grass: 4
    Hardcourt: 7
    Average on all surfaces: 6
     
    #16
  17. dmt

    dmt Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2010
    Messages:
    1,655
    1.Nadal

    Clay:10
    Grass:9
    Hardcourt: 8

    Average: 9

    Ps anyone who gives Nadal a 6 on hard is either very biased or doesnt have a clue of what they are talking about. The guy is the third most successfull hardcourter of his generation behind Federer and Djokovic.

    2. Djokovic

    Clay: 7
    Grass: 6
    Hardcourts: 8.5

    Average: 7.16.....

    3. Federer

    Clay: 8
    Grass: 10
    Hardcourts: 9.5

    Average: 9.16

    4. Murray

    Clay: 5
    Grass: 7
    Hardcourt: 8

    Average: 6. 66

    5. Soderling

    Clay: 7.5
    Grass: 6
    Hardcourt: ??

    6. Davydenko

    Clay: 7
    Grass: 3
    Hardcourts: 8

    Average : 6

    7. Del Potro

    Clay: 6
    Grass: 2
    Hardcourts: 8

    Average: 5.3

    8. Berdych

    Clay: 6
    Grass: 6
    Hard: 6

    9. Roddick

    Clay: 3
    Grass: 8
    Hardcourts: 7

    Average: 6

    10. Verdasco

    Clay: 6
    Grass: 3
    Hardcourt: 6

    Average: 5
     
    #17
  18. mtr1

    mtr1 Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2009
    Messages:
    1,386
    Location:
    England
    Nadal
    Clay:10
    Grass:8
    Hard:7
    Average: 8.3

    Djokovic
    Clay:7
    Grass:5
    Hard:8
    Average: 6.7

    Federer
    Clay:8
    Grass:10
    Hard:10
    Average: 9.3

    Murray
    Clay:5
    Grass:7
    Hard:8
    Average: 6.7

    Soderling
    Clay:7
    Grass:5
    Hard:6
    Average: 6

    Davydenko
    Clay:6
    Grass:5
    Hard:8
    Average: 6.3

    Del Potro
    Clay:6
    Grass:4
    Hard:8
    Average: 6

    Berdych
    Clay:6
    Grass:7
    Hard:6
    Average: 6.3

    Roddick
    Clay:3
    Grass:8
    Hard:7
    Average: 6

    Verdasco
    Clay:6
    Grass:4
    Hard:6
    Average: 5.3
     
    #18
  19. dmt

    dmt Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2010
    Messages:
    1,655
    I wonder why Murray and Davydenko are getting 8s on hardcourts when neither of them actually has a slam on that surface, while Nadal does. Nadal should atleast get the same score as those two.
     
    #19
  20. Li Ching Yuen

    Li Ching Yuen Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2010
    Messages:
    6,989
    What surfaces?

    There's a major tournament taking place on grass while the trillion rest are being played on clay or hard court.

    Really pointless thread.
     
    #20
  21. Nadalfan89

    Nadalfan89 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2009
    Messages:
    2,307
    It's not fair for Nadal to be within 1-10 on clay because Federer is about a 9 on clay and Nadal completely destroys him on clay.

    Nadal should get a 11 or 12 on clay, and if he can't, no one should be able to get hgiher than 8.
     
    #21
  22. Mustard

    Mustard Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2009
    Messages:
    25,114
    Location:
    Cwmbran, Wales
    1. Rafael Nadal
    Clay: 10
    Grass: 9
    Hardcourt: 8

    Average: 9

    2. Novak Djokovic
    Clay: 7
    Grass: 6
    Hardcourt: 8

    Average: 7

    3. Roger Federer
    Clay: 9
    Grass: 10
    Hardcourt: 10

    Average: 9.7

    4. Andy Murray
    Clay: 5
    Grass: 7
    Hardcourt: 8

    Average: 6.7

    5. Robin Soderling
    Clay: 7
    Grass: 6
    Hardcourt: 7

    Average: 6.7

    6. Nikolay Davydenko
    Clay: 7
    Grass: 4
    Hardcourt: 7

    Average: 6

    7. Juan Martin del Potro
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 5
    Hardcourt: 8

    Average: 6.3

    8. Tomas Berdych
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 6
    Hardcourt: 6

    Average: 6

    9. Andy Roddick
    Clay: 3
    Grass: 8
    Hardcourt: 8

    Average: 6.3

    10. Fernando Verdasco
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 3
    Hardcourt: 7

    Average: 5.3
     
    #22
  23. mtr1

    mtr1 Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2009
    Messages:
    1,386
    Location:
    England
    Looking at my list, I seem to have made that mistake. I would move Nadal up to an 8 if I were to do my list again.
     
    #23
  24. P_Agony

    P_Agony Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2008
    Messages:
    13,186
    1. Nadal:
    Clay: 10
    Grass: 9
    Hardcourt: 8
    Average on all surfaces: 9

    2. Djokovic
    Clay: 8
    Grass: 5
    Hardcourt: 9
    Average on all surfaces: 7.3

    3. Federer:
    Clay: 8
    Grass: 10
    Hardcourt: 10
    Average on all surfaces: 9.3

    4. Murray
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 8
    Harcourt: 9
    Average on all surfaces: 7.6

    5. Soderling
    Clay: 8
    Grass: 7
    Hardcourt: 8
    Average on all surfaces: 7.6

    6. Davydenko
    Clay: 8
    Grass: 4
    Hardcourt: 9
    Average on all surfaces: 7

    7. Del Potro
    Clay: 7
    Grass: 0 (only because he's done nothing on the surface yet, can improve in the future though)
    Hardcourt: 9
    Average on all surfaces: 5.3


    8. Berdych
    Clay: 7
    Grass: 7
    Hardcourt: 8
    Average on all surfaces: 7.3

    9. Roddick
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 9
    Hardcourt: 9
    Average on all surfaces: 8.

    10. Verdasco:
    Clay: 7
    Grass: 2
    Hardcourt: 7
    Average on all surfaces: 5.3

    Federer is the ultimate all surface player while Nadal is a close 2nd. Surprisngly, I think Roddick is a close 3rd considering he's awesome on grass and hard courts and he played some good clay matches as well (nothing great, but not as bad as people make him). Murray and Soderling share the 4th place, and Djoko and Berdych are 5th. DP shares a spot with Verdasco but only because DP has no ranking on grass since he barely won matches on that surface. Keep in mind I consider him a FAR greater player than Verdasco, who will leave the top 10 very soon IMO.
     
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2010
    #24
  25. VGP

    VGP Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2005
    Messages:
    6,311
    Location:
    Location: Location
    All this thread does is remind me how homogenized the tour is now.

    Makes me wish it were like it was in the late 80s to early 90s......when there were essentially six surfaces on tour.

    red clay
    har-tru
    rebound ace
    deco-turf II
    carpet
    grass

    (slow to fast - not accounting for variations)

    ....no wonder Federer's got 16 majors and Nadal's got 8.
     
    #25
  26. P_Agony

    P_Agony Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2008
    Messages:
    13,186
    Nadal only destroyed Federer once on clay (FO 08). Otherwise their matches on clay have been really close most of the time with Federer almost winning a few and even having MPs at the Rome 06 final. They almost always went the distance in sets as well. Nadal is amazing on clay but Fed also gave him tough matches and beat him twice as well. I don't think Fed deserves a 9 on clay (an 8 is more appropriate) but he does on grass. He won the freaking grass event for 6 times already!
     
    #26
  27. P_Agony

    P_Agony Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2008
    Messages:
    13,186
    You have a point, but here's my explanation:

    I think both Davy and Murray are superior HC players (not by much though) but Nadal is the FAR greater match player, especially in slams. In fact, if we add a "match player" category to this list, nobody would even come close to Fed and Nadal, they are far above everyone else on "that surface" :)

    Davy is one of the best HC players in recent years and have beaten Nadal 5 times on that surface, but he's a poor match player which is why he never even made a slam final (no matter the surface). He's shown an improvment in the last year but failed again against Federer at their AO match. Davy will only win a slam if he improves in that regard.
     
    #27
  28. TMF

    TMF Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2009
    Messages:
    21,367
    You guys make me laugh by giving player a 10+ point when 10 is the maximum. I don’t believe any player deserve a 10 b/c it’s saying that player has NO flaw. Even gymnastics abandoned the “perfect 10” scoring system.
     
    #28
  29. LeoR

    LeoR Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2010
    Messages:
    292
    You have the right to disagree with me.

    Because he is really really good on clay. Best ever probably.

    I take account Federer prime and now, and since 2008, Nadal is the superior player on grass. So, with a mix of whole career and currently I put that rankings on both.
     
    #29
  30. LeoR

    LeoR Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2010
    Messages:
    292

    That's strange. How can you be a better hardcourt player by having inferior results during all your carreer?

    Because Nadal is stronger on clay, they think he is not a great hardcourt player, but he is easily top 5 on that surface.
     
    #30
  31. Cloudy

    Cloudy Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2008
    Messages:
    747
    how are these figures calculated. Performance over entire career (which surely is unfair because for example Federer is several years into his career whereas someone like Del Potro is at the start of his) or current form.

    In any event, Nadal has won the last two consecutive wimbledons that he has played so surely he is at least a 9 on grass.

    How are these points made up. For example Nadal has a hard court slam and Murray doesn't. Are the slams given more weight in this calculation?

    Also if you are looking over entire career, someone like Kolya has several MS titles on hard and several quarter and semis in slams. Is this overall more consistent than someone like Del Potro who has a slam but not the same results in MS tournaments, but then he is a lot younger so hasn't had the opportunities yet.

    If we are going on potential we could make up any figures. What is the meaning of this thread?

    Federer doesn't do as well outside slams does this dumb down his performance overall and again there aren't many grass tournaments to play on other than wimbers it's likely if he played 2 or 3 grass events he might not win all of those if it reflects his performance in MS and lesser tournaments.
     
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2010
    #31
  32. MethodTennis

    MethodTennis Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2008
    Messages:
    3,615
    1. Nadal:
    Clay: 1
    Grass: 2
    Hardcourt: 8
    Carpet: IDK


    2. Djokovic
    Clay: 4
    Grass: 7
    Hardcourt: 7
    Carpet: IDK

    3. Federer:
    Clay: 3
    Grass: 1
    Hardcourt: 1
    Carpet: IDK

    4. Murray
    Clay: 5
    Grass: 4
    Harcourt: 2
    Carpet: IDK

    5. Soderling
    Clay: 2
    Grass: 5
    Hardcourt: 5
    Carpet: IDK

    6. Davydenko
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 10
    Hardcourt: 6
    Carpet: 2

    7. Del Potro
    Clay: 7
    Grass: 8
    Hardcourt: 3
    Carpet: IDK


    8. Berdych
    Clay: 8
    Grass: 6
    Hardcourt: 9
    Carpet: IDK

    9. Roddick
    Clay:10
    Grass: 3
    Hardcourt:4
    Carpet: IDK


    10. Verdasco:
    Clay: 10
    Grass: 9
    Hardcourt: 9
    Carpet: 1



    Clay rankings

    1. Nadal
    2. Soderling
    3. Federer
    4. Djockovic
    5. Murray
    6. Davydenko
    7. Delpotro
    8. Berdych
    9. Verdasco
    10. Roddick





    Grass rankings

    1. Federer
    2. Nadal
    3. Roddick
    4. Murray
    5. Soderling
    6. Berdych
    7. Djockovic
    8. Del Potro
    9. Verdasco
    10. Davydenko






    Hard Court rankings

    1. Federer
    2. Murray
    3. Del Potro
    4. Roddick
    5. Soderling
    6. Davydenko
    7. Djockovic
    8. Nadal
    9. Berdych
    10. Verdasco
    (rafa and djockovic are equall on hard court in my oppinion)

    Personally on hardcourt I thinka ny match between top 10 players can go either way
     
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2010
    #32
  33. sjam316

    sjam316 Rookie

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2008
    Messages:
    117
    Location:
    Chicago
    1. Nadal:
    Clay: 10
    Grass: 9
    Hardcourt: 8.5
    Average on all surfaces: 9.2

    2. Djokovic
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 6
    Hardcourt: 8
    Average on all surfaces: 6.6

    3. Federer:
    Clay: 9
    Grass: 10
    Hardcourt: 9
    Average on all surfaces: 9.3

    4. Murray
    Clay: 5
    Grass: 7
    Harcourt: 8
    Average on all surfaces: 6.6

    5. Soderling
    Clay: 7
    Grass: 6
    Hardcourt: 6
    Average on all surfaces: 6.6

    6. Davydenko
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 4
    Hardcourt: 7
    Average on all surfaces: 5.6

    7. Del Potro
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 2
    Hardcourt: 8
    Average on all surfaces: 5.3


    8. Berdych
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 6
    Hardcourt: 6
    Average on all surfaces: 6

    9. Roddick
    Clay:3
    Grass: 8
    Hardcourt:8
    Average on all surfaces: 6.3

    10. Verdasco:
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 3
    Hardcourt: 7
    Average on all surfaces: 5.3

    Nadal and Federer are probably the greatest players of all time on their respective surfaces (Nadal-clay, Federer-grass), I don't think there's any valid argument for why they shouldn't have 10s.
     
    #33
  34. fed_rulz

    fed_rulz Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2007
    Messages:
    3,622
    why is the guy with ONE HC slam title a 8.5, while the other with 9 HC slam titles, 4 YEC master's championships rated at 9?
     
    #34
  35. MethodTennis

    MethodTennis Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2008
    Messages:
    3,615
    erm ******* obviously, stupid question :p
     
    #35
  36. petetheileet

    petetheileet Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2009
    Messages:
    206
    Feds on clay = 8

    Nadal on hard = 7

    otherwise spot on OP
     
    #36
  37. petetheileet

    petetheileet Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2009
    Messages:
    206
    Feds maybe even 10 on HC....

    honestly he would be the best ever on the surface... in Grand slams since 04 look whats it has taken to beat him on that surface....

    mono and 3 of the greatest performances i have ever seen
     
    #37
  38. Tony48

    Tony48 Legend

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2008
    Messages:
    6,899
    This.

    10 chars
     
    #38
  39. OKUSA

    OKUSA Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2010
    Messages:
    2,220
    Location:
    TN
    Default
    Nadal
    Clay:10
    Grass:8.5
    Hard:7.5
    Average: 8.67

    Djokovic
    Clay:7
    Grass:4
    Hard:8
    Average: 6.3

    Federer
    Clay:9
    Grass:10
    Hard:10
    Average: 9.67

    Murray
    Clay:5
    Grass:7
    Hard:7
    Average: 6.3

    Soderling
    Clay:8
    Grass:5
    Hard:6.5
    Average: 6.5

    Davydenko
    Clay:5
    Grass:3
    Hard:8
    Average: 5.3

    Del Potro
    Clay:7
    Grass:5
    Hard:8.5
    Average: 6.83

    Berdych
    Clay:6
    Grass:7
    Hard:7
    Average: 6.67

    Roddick
    Clay:3
    Grass:8
    Hard:8
    Average: 6.3

    Verdasco
    Clay:6
    Grass:4
    Hard:5
    Average: 5
     
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2010
    #39
  40. aldeayeah

    aldeayeah Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2009
    Messages:
    3,985
    I'll do exactly that! (disclaimer: source is Wikipedia)

    Nadal (2005-2010) Clay: 9.7 Grass: 8.4 Hard: 7.8
    Djokovic (2007-2009) Clay: 7.8 Grass: 7.6 Hard: 8.0
    Federer (2003-2009) Clay: 8.5 Grass: 9.9 Hard: 8.8
    Murray (2008-2009) Clay: 6.8 Grass: 9.0 Hard: 8.5
    Roddick (2003-2010) Clay: 6.2 Grass: 8.4 Hard: 8.0
    Del Potro (2009) Clay: 7.5 Grass: 5.0 Hard: 7.9

    ...and because I know you guys love these things:

    Peak Nadal Clay: 10.0 (2006, 2010) Grass: 10.0 (2008) Hard: 8.2 (2008)
    Peak Djokovic Clay: 8.4 (2008) Grass: 8.0 (2009) Hard: 8.3 (2009)
    Peak Federer Clay: 9.0 (2009) Grass: 10.0 (2003-2007, 2009) Hard: 9.8 (2005)
    Peak Murray Clay: 7.5 (2009) Grass: 9.1 (2009) Hard: 9.0 (2009)
    Peak Roddick Clay: 7.7 (2005) Grass: 9.2 (2004, 2005) Hard: 8.4 (2004)
    Peak Del Potro Clay: 7.5 (2009) Grass: 5.0 (2009) Hard: 7.9 (2009)

    ...and just for the hell of it:

    Hewitt (2001-2005) Clay: 7.1 Grass: 8.5 Hard: 8.2
    Agassi (1988-1996, 1998-2005) Clay: 7.4 Grass: 7.6 Hard: 8.1
    Sampras (1992-2000) Clay: 6.8 Grass: 9.1 Hard: 8.6
    Edberg (1985-1992) Clay: 7.1 Grass: 8.5 Hard: 8.4
    Wilander (1982-1988) Clay: 8.7 Grass: 8.0 Hard: 8.3

    Peak Hewitt Clay: 7.4 (2001) Grass: 10.0 (2002) Hard: 8.3 (2001)
    Peak Agassi: Clay: 9.1 (1988) Grass: 10.0 (1992) Hard: 9.5 (1995)
    Peak Sampras: Clay: 8.6 (1994) Grass: 10.0 (1995, 1999) Hard: 9.3 (1994)
    Peak Edberg: Clay: 8.8 (1989) Grass: 9.2 (1988) Hard: 8.9 (1987)
    Peak Wilander Clay: 9.5 (1983) Grass: 9.2 (1983) Hard: 9.4 (1988)

    Ranking by surface:

    Clay: Nadal 9.7, Wilander 8.7, Federer 8.5, Djokovic 7.8, Del Potro 7.5, Agassi 7.4, Hewitt 7.1, Edberg 7.1, Sampras 6.8, Murray 6.8, Roddick 6.2
    Grass: Federer 9.9, Sampras 9.1, Murray 9.0, Hewitt 8.5, Edberg 8.5, Nadal 8.4, Roddick 8.4, Wilander 8.0, Djokovic 7.6, Agassi 7.6, Del Potro 5.0
    Hard: Federer 8.8, Sampras 8.6, Murray 8.5, Edberg 8.4, Wilander 8.3, Hewitt 8.2, Agassi 8.1, Djokovic 8.0, Roddick 8.0, Del Potro 7.9, Nadal 7.8
    Average: Federer 9.1, Nadal 8.6, Wilander 8.3, Sampras 8.2, Murray 8.1, Edberg 8.0, Hewitt 7.9, Agassi 7.7, Djokovic 7.8, Roddick 7.5, Del Potro 6.8

    Clay (Peak): Nadal 10.0 (2006/2010), Wilander 9.5 (1983), Agassi 9.1 (1988), Federer 9.0 (2009), Edberg 8.8 (1989), Sampras 8.6 (1994), Djokovic 8.4 (2008), Roddick 7.7 (2005), Murray 7.5 (2009), Del Potro 7.5 (2009), Hewitt 7.4 (2001)
    Grass (Peak): Federer 10.0 (2003-2007, 2009), Sampras 10.0 (1995, 1999), Nadal 10.0 (2008), Hewitt 10.0 (2002), Agassi 10.0 (1992), Roddick 9.2 (2004, 2005), Edberg 9.2 (1988), Wilander 9.2 (1983), Murray 9.1 (2009), Djokovic 8.0 (2009), Del Potro 5.0 (2009)
    Hard (Peak): Federer 9.8 (2005), Agassi 9.5 (1995), Wilander 9.4 (1988), Sampras 9.3 (1994), Murray 9.0 (2009), Edberg 8.9 (1987), Roddick 8.4 (2004), Djokovic 8.3 (2009), Hewitt 8.3 (2001), Nadal 8.2 (2008), Del Potro 7.9 (2009)
    Average (Peak): Federer 9.6, Agassi 9.5, Nadal 9.4, Wilander 9.4, Sampras 9.3, Edberg 9.0, Hewitt 8.6, Murray 8.5, Roddick 8.4, Djokovic 8.2, Del Potro 6.8

    I'm aware of the glaring defects this way of evaluating surface prowess has, but I'm sure future posters will point them out better than I would.
     
    #40
  41. Falloutjr

    Falloutjr Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2009
    Messages:
    1,248
    Location:
    Akron, OH
    Fixed 10char
     
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2010
    #41
  42. OKUSA

    OKUSA Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2010
    Messages:
    2,220
    Location:
    TN
    Either Djokovic is extremely overrated or Federer is underrated.

    On Clay and Hard specifically, and not to mention Djokovic lost in the 2nd round to SAFIN in his peak on grass. So his grass is overrated as well
     
    #42
  43. Falloutjr

    Falloutjr Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2009
    Messages:
    1,248
    Location:
    Akron, OH
    I think if you can make it to the semis of a slam, you must be pretty good on that surface. I don't think its a stretch to say he's one of the 10 best grass-court players in the game today.
     
    #43
  44. OKUSA

    OKUSA Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2010
    Messages:
    2,220
    Location:
    TN
    He might be, but the grass court competition includes Fed, Nadal, Murray, Roddick..........
     
    #44
  45. single_handed_champion

    single_handed_champion Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2010
    Messages:
    1,104
    ... who are all... what? Mugs?
     
    #45
  46. OKUSA

    OKUSA Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2010
    Messages:
    2,220
    Location:
    TN
    He said top 10, so unless they each occupy more than 1 person, then there are 6 other people to fill it out.

    Hell, you could make a case that Hewitt is in the top 10
     
    #46
  47. TMF

    TMF Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2009
    Messages:
    21,367
    Serena
    Clay: 6
    Grass: 8
    Hard: 9
    Average: 7.7

    Martina
    Clay: 7.5
    Grass: 9.5
    Hard: 8.5
    Average: 8.5

    Steffi
    Clay:8.5
    Grass:9
    Hard:9.5
    Average: 9


    Someone can do it for Seles and Henin b/c if I were to do it there will be trouble coming from the Serena obsession.
     
    #47
  48. adimax8

    adimax8 Rookie

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2010
    Messages:
    205
    Djoker
    Clay: 8
    Grass: 7.5
    Hard: 9
    Average: 8.2

    Federer
    Clay: 8
    Grass: 10
    Hard: 9.5
    Average: 9.2

    Nadal
    Clay: 10
    Grass: 8.5
    Hard: 8
    Average: 8.8

    Murray
    Clay: 5
    Grass: 7.5
    Hard: 8.5
    Average: 7
     
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2010
    #48
  49. FlamEnemY

    FlamEnemY Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 6, 2008
    Messages:
    3,555
    Only the top 4 for now.

    Nadal
    Clay: 10
    Grass: 8.5
    HC: 8
    Total: 8.8

    Djokovic
    Clay: 8
    Grass: 7 (I might get hated for this)
    HC: 9
    Total: 8

    Federer
    Clay: 8.5
    Grass: 10
    HC: 10
    Total: 9.5

    Murray
    Clay: 6 (some people underrate him)
    Grass: 8
    HC: 8.5
    Total: 7.5

    edit: changed Nadal - grass from 9 to 8.5, however I'm willing to rate him a 9.
     
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2010
    #49
  50. MethodTennis

    MethodTennis Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2008
    Messages:
    3,615
    THIS IS SO BIAS TO RAFA

    He is not a 10 on grass, roddick is a miles better grass player at his peak and peak del potro would crush a peak rafa on hardcourt.

    Also a peak roddick would beat murray on hardcourt
     
    #50

Share This Page