Raonic, clearly the next guy to break through and win a slam.

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  1. tistrapukcipeht

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    I don't see anybody else besides him, no one else has enough game at a relatively comfort level (big serve gets it done) to beat the top guys.

    Fed, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray and Del Potro have won, only guy besides these in prospect is Raonic, young enough with huge game and still can get a lot better.

    What do you guys think?
     
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    Out of the younger guys nobody else is even close to Milos' chances. He is the only one who has the potential to win a slam in the future.
     
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    Just becausey he beat LOLrray doesn't mean he is going to break through. Bogomolov and Young beat LOLrray too, are they about to break through?
     
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    Don't diss the future man.
     
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    There is no comparison bewteen Raonic and guys like Bogomolov and Young. I'll tell you why a guy like Raonic is going to break through, he has the drive to do so, you can see it a mile away. Very few players have that drive. That will make the difference for Milos. Book it.
     
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    I'd say easy, easy. It's too early. Rao needs to improve dramatically many aspects of his game in order to win a major. not even close. let's see if he can win a master or a 500 event first before we talk about slams.
     
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    I agree he has a long way to go to win a slam but he is the only one with potential to do so out of the young guns. The rest are a pack of losers imo, guys like Tomic, Young, Dimitrov, etc. Those guys either don't have enough talent or if the have the talent they don't have the mental component necessary to be at the top. Milos has both potentially. A few weeks ago, I was saying he had terrible movement, a terrible return of serve and a mediocre backhand. If you watched the match against Murray yesterday, you could plainly see that Milos has dramatically improved his backhand, ROS and net game. That shows that he is very driven to succeed and that is what will make the difference for him.

    Now he has to go out there and continue to beat top players and win, that is the key. Up until now, he has not been able to do that, he will win an important match or two and then fold in the next, but he is learning so hopefully that will change soon. I just see a huge drive in him that I don't see in any of the other players below the top four.
     
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    yes, he seems to be the strongest one in 'the youngsters category' for sure, and he is very driven, no question there. However, I'm just being couscous here, don't want to hype him too much, not yet.
     
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    Murray has lost to a lot of guys when unfocussed and unmotivated eg. Young and Bogomolov. Those 2 guys only did it the once. They've been blasted off the court in all their subsequent encounters with him.

    Raonic, on the other hand, has now beaten Murray twice and yesterday's match was a down the wire thriller against a guy who, although a bit more error prone than usual, was highly motivated to win the tournament and defend his title. Raonic fought back against a break down in the final set and 2 match points at 5-6. It was his willpower and nerve that saw him through when every other lesser ranked player woulld have shut up shop at that point. Clearly he is highly motivated to win against even the very top players and this suggests he has the ambition and game to take it all the way. Only time will tell if he succeeds but he seems to have every chance to do so.
     
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    If aby of the HC slams are as fast as Tokyo. Then I can see it.


    For now Tsonga is the next guy....he is in his Prime years...something got to happen.

    Raonic has 4 years to make his mark.
     
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    You are saying this after one win vs Murray?

    sigh..
     
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    That is exactly how I see it. When you see that type of drive which is so rare today and only the very top players have it, that is the biggest indicator of future success imo.

    Also, I recently saw an interview with Milos' mother and she was talking about how motivated her son was even when he was a young kid. He would be the one to pester his parents all the time to go out and practise. A person either has that type of drive to succeed or they don't . It can't be manufactured.
     
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    Bear in mind that Del Potro won a Slam without ever winning a Masters title so it's not impossible that Raonic could do the same but I agree he needs to have a strong showing in the lead up events. He has an excellent chance to take his first 500 title in Tokyo tomorrow which will be a good start for him.
     
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    After his second win vs. Murray in addition to giving Fed nearly all he could handle multiple times. Not to mention that he is clearly the best of the young generation right now.

    Say what you want about his game, but at least he isn't bending over for the top four before he even steps onto the court. Stranger things have happened.
     
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    Raonic is doing good in the normal events, beaten LOLrray twice and manage to take a set off the GOAT each time they played (twice to a final set TB). But needs to do something with Bo5 matches.
     
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    Im not sure if he can get through DONALD YOUNG!!
     
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    Yep, I agree.

    Raonic for the 2017 US Open!
     
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    TRUE THAT!!
     
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    Raonic, still overrated.

    But I got to hand it to him, he has good volleys and he doesn't engage in meaningless rallies. He drills a forehand in either corner and comes forward, like he should be.
     
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    Second, actually.
     
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  21. sureshs

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    Milos Rao is fantastic to watch because of his serve, and is a sportsman tennis need not be ashamed of (height and power).
     
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    Key thing, he solved his biggest problem, passivity under pressure.
    How many guys struggle with their issues year in and never adjust?

    How long did it take Murray to get some cahones? Milos was a beast
    and I can assure you the top 10 are quivvering in their Nikes.

    He didn't rely on passive rallies waiting for the other guy to make a mistake,
    and I hope he keeps that going. Whether he could do that consistantly
    through 5 sets for two weeks is another story. I hope so. If he can,
    then i can certainly contend.
     
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    None of his other titles were 500s? San Jose I think is a 250, but ... ?
     
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    Why would "height and power" be something that would make fans of the sport more or less "ashamed" of a player?

    BrATomic has both, and I'm regularly embarrassed that he's in the sport.

    :-?

    I like Milos because
    - he works hard
    - he fights
    - when he has trouble with something he learns, and adjusts.
     
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  25. tacou

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    Guy bets Murray in a 500 and we are talking slams again?

    50% of the Raonic threads are about him winning slams, the other 50% compare him to Isner/Karlovic.

    Raonic is so much better than his peers because he has a weapon already. His serve is one of the best ever. However, he might not develop a ground game around it. There's no way of knowing.

    I saw him play in Newport this summer, lost very comfortably to Ben Becker. His slam results so far have not indicated anything special.
     
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    You know what the problem is that I have with Raonic? I think he has a solid game and all, with the strong serve and steady baseline game. His serve will win him his service games. And his blunt and somewhat sluggish game is offensive enough to get a break in most sets and otherwise he can just play a tiebreak, which he also does well in because of his serve.

    But I just don't see much room for improvement. I feel like.. this is it, you know? This is all we're going to see from him. He isn't going to suddenly change his technique and play like Federer or Djokovic, he will keep his clumsy technique and good serve. What is he going to improve? Serve harder? His movement might be improvable, but he will always keep moving uncomfortably because of his length. Same with Isner and Karlovic.

    Nevertheless, he might get some Grand Slams here and there. If he keeps serving great throughout the tournament he might win it. And after the top 4 retires, he has time to win something big.
     
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  27. sureshs

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    Because they give tennis a wimpy image
     
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    It was nice to see his improved movement, shot making & touch... I hope to see him win a slam ;-)
     
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    I like watching him play. Wouldn't mind him getting one.
     
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    Let's see him make the Quarters of a Slam first. I would actually like to see him do well, looks like a real nice guy and even though I'm usually not into watching big serving games, I really don't mind watching Milos.
     
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    He always gets lumped in with Karlovic and Isner in discussions about awkward movement, but he's really only in that group because of the quality of his serve. Physically, it's more appropriate to group him with players like Del Potro and Berdych. Unlikely Raonic's ground game will ever improve to the level of Berdych, mush less Del Potro, but it doesn't necessarily have to. Raonic has a bigger serve than either of them, and a willingness to go to the net.

    In terms of areas for improvement, he could use a marginal bump in movement and endurance (those will come if he puts continues to put in the work like it seems he is doing already) but after that it's all between the ears. The top players always say that at a certain point in the rankings after which they all have significant abilities, it's a mental game more than anything else, especially on the key points. Raonic demonstrates many positive mental qualities already. Far beyond the other players in his generation, which is why he's already compiling a good record and the others mostly are not.

    Who is to say whether Raonic can continue developing the mental side? If he can, he'll come across some big opportunities in his career. If he doesn't then you are probably correct his big results will be more spotty.
     
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    By the time he was the same age as Raonic is now ie. 21 years and 9 months, Murray had already won 10 titles including 2 Masters and a 500 and had just appeared in his first Slam final, beating the world #1 Nadal to get there!
     
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    He currently has 3 titles, all 250s: 2011 & 2012 San Jose and 2012 Chennai. The biggest tournament finals he has made so far are 2011 and 2012 Memphis and 2012 Tokyo, all 500s.
     
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    500 != slams.
     
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    I think you may be incorrect here. If you saw the match between Raonic and Murray in Tokyo you would have seen that Milos has improved in key areas such as his backhand, net play and ROS. He also was able to hang in there under pressure and not fold mentally as he has in the past in big match moments. He is much better than Isner and Karlovic imo.

    I think he may have the goods to go all the way, we will have to see. Watch, now he will probably lose to Nishikori in the final. :oops:
     
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    I didn't mean steady in that he doesn't make many mistakes. But he does have a solid baseline game plan. He doesn't go into long Ferrer-like rallies, but plays a high-risk game and apparently it's good enough to get some breaks in here and there. Which is all that he needs to win the match if he wins all of his serve games.
     
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    Watch a tape of the Tipsarevic match. Milos could improve by not dumping forehands into the middle of the net on putaway shots.
     
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    Right.

    Ferru is #5 in the world, and a co-owner of the Valencia 500, but he's 5'9", so he's a "wimp". Okay.

    I see we're not doing "logic and reason" today.
    :roll:
     
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    Well he should be proclaimed GOAT on the spot then.
     
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    See, I don't see this. Every year, I see him improve something.

    As the comms commented on at IW, between last year and this when he was doing his hip rehab, he also took time to put on some muscle weight in order to reinforce strength around those gangly joints and improve movement.

    And I saw his USO match against MAndy as well as their SF last night, so I felt like I was able to see differences if there were going to be any. The first thing I saw was that ruthless backhand -- that was a groundstroke that was almost completely absent here in New York. I'm actually a little startled he was able to improve that that quickly.

    The other huge difference I've seen between then and now, made evident not only in his semi but through this tournament, was mental. I'm an amateur photog of sorts, and I have some shots of the frustration that was evident on his face in his match with MAndy here. In this tournament, it feels like we've seen the complete opposite -- we've seen him fight for the point, go to the net, not be afraid to use his entire arsenal of shots, not give up, not be intimidated, not beat himself.

    I think just based on what we've seen coupled with how young he is, there's still vast room for further improvement.
     
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    No one said Raonic is more talented than Murray. Murray is aggresive and plays well during that time when it wasn't the slams.

    When he got to the finals and a few semis....he played poor. Now he got the cahones in the bof5.

    Now it Raonic turn to show some balls at the next HC slam.
     
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    I don't know if Raonic will ever win a Slam but I'm sure he'll get into the top-10 very soon.

    I think he's heading the right path in his tennis game. He needs to be a bit quicker at the net but he is already a very good volleyer (by todays standard).
     
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    Not that, but Murray had been breezing through the draw easily and Murray played well.

    It's also that nobody else has the serve Raonic has, which can get the job done against any player, even against Djokovic and Murray the best returners.

    Come on, dude, Bogomolov (who is He??) and Donald Young?? Since when they even belong a talk where great players belong, these 2 have nothing that Raonic has.
     
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    Raonic will definitely win slams but it will be when the top 4 decline
     
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    Exactly, He goes for it and He decides the result.

    Serve is the only thing raonic has in common with the other 2, everything else Raonic is better, and soon he will be in the top 10, He is maturing and once He gets to the level that He is comfortable and still can beat guys outside top 4 easily, it will be scary.
    He can still move a lot better and more efficiently, his return right now is awful for the level He plays, backhand can be a lot better and the hard work and mental fortitude is there, so that equals winning.

    I'm comparing him and his chances to other up and comer guys, all others have much less game than Raonic.
     
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    The top four have declined, or at least Federer and to a lesser extent Nadal have. We need a new young gun to break through already, it is time.
     
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  48. NadalAgassi

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    It will be hard anytime soon since he would need to likely beat 3 of the top 4 in a row. The only one of the top 4 he has beaten at this point is Murray, and even he lost to easily when they met when it mattered in a slam. Still it would be nice to see. The first key is for him to get into the top 8 so he doesnt have that tough of matches until the quarters of a slam. Then go from there. Since he definitely isnt winning the Australian or French (is never winning the French of course, lol) he has until Wimbledon next year to do that, so plenty of time to take the first step to setting himself up.
     
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    No he isn't, because, according to romeo888, he's one of the top 5 mentally weakest players in history.

    Seriously though, I hope he does break through. He needs to round out his game, though.
     
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    Round out his game? Did you watch the Murray Tokyo semi?

    The commentators talked about his speed on court, his net game. his brilliant bh, and his aggression. He could do no wrong. Wacth a couple of youtube highlights and see for yourself.
     
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