RAONIC miles ahead of the brat pack

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  1. djokovic2008

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    There has been discussions on here about tomic Harrison and the rest but there is no doubt that this kid will be the ONE to challenge the rest. Let's be honest none of other kids are close to winning ANY tournaments where he has three to his name. Some may not like him but he has a power game and the groundies are getter better all the time watch out fed.
     
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    I agree. Big Game and Big level of Maturity. Injuries would be my only concern. I predict he will be 5 or 6 by the end of the year.
     
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    Personally, I'm much more impressed by Tomic's Wimbledon run than am I by anything that Raonic has done so far; shame the Canadian had to get injured during that event.
     
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    Sock is overrated. He may have future, but he's wayyy back in terms of results thusfar. Raonic is way ahead. Raonic>>Tomic>>Harrison>>>>>Dimitrov>>>>>Others (Berankis is up there too but has missed so much :sad: )
     
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  5. djokovic2008

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    One Wimbledon run, for me isn't that impressive if you can't back it up it's like a fluke. Tomic has been awful recently and gets way to much hype for doing so little.
     
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    Tomic is overated right now, Harrison is poor mans Justin Gimelstob. No idea about Sock anymore.
     
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    I wouldn't say I was "more impressed" by Tomic, because it's sort of an "incomplete" for Milos right now with him getting hurt in the middle of the year.

    I see him making a run at Wimbledon, maybe not this year, but in the years to come. He's got the weapons and the all-court game, that's for sure. And he'll be in the final mix at any indoor tourneys where the fast courts are more conducive to his style of play.
     
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  8. monfed

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    Raonic does have the firepower but I just think these molasses courts will get the better of him.
     
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  9. Tammo

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    Raonic is the Fed of the young guns. Calm, yet lets it roar when necessary.
     
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  10. joeri888

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    Yes, he is miles ahead, but he also has less developable tools perhaps. His serve won't get much better than it is, and I doubt he has the potential to move like a next Federer or to have a steady backhand etc. Still, if he can have a holdgame like Karlovic, and a halfdecent service game anything is still possible.
     
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    Raonic is more like Sampras than Federer.
     
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    Raonic, as long as he isn't pushed beyond his barriers(footspeed and hip strength) will make a ton of money playing this absurd pro game. All that matters in the end.
     
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    Top 10 if he is lucky.
     
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    Where is Nishikori in the listing of the young guys? He has to be right up there with Raonic and Tomic.
     
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    Harrison's three SFs were all in tournaments he could've won, and were generally tight affairs, so I wouldn't say he's too far back from a title..but yeah Raonic is clearly head and shoulders above his peers, I hardly even consider him a "young gun" anymore, he's just another dangerous player on tour
     
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    Agreed.

    I think some of Tomic's limited success thus far has been due to the fact of his awkward game and players not used to it. His game is weird and unique like Santaro's was and he will pick up some wins until guys figure him out. Unless his game gets a lot better with more firepower I dont see him moving up the rankings as guys are exposed to him.
     
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  17. bluetrain4

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    He is ahead of the "brat pack" but he's not close (yet) to the Big 4 (or should I say 3).

    I bring this up simply becuase Djokovic, Nadal, Murray, and Fed, to varying degrees, have good years left. So, if Raonic wants to go "big" and be among the big boys, a top tier player, he's going to have to beat them.

    The rest of the "brat pack" should be an after thought at this point. Only when the Big 4 are collectively incapable of winning Slams any more and the rest of the brat pack has reached their full potential will it really matter how Raonic is compared the them.
     
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  18. magnut

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    Big three Unless Delpo is your #4.

    Delpo is at the top of the pack
     
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  19. djokovic2008

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    He is far better from the baseline than that and hits big especially from the fh side, of course he does not move as well as the top four. As for his serve it is practically unplayable winning 95 per cent of service games and he is breaking more than last year so he is on the right track. Please don't compare him to karlovic his baseline is on another planet to his, if he can develop a del Porto style baseline game as the years go on then the sky is the limit.
     
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    He is obviouslly modeling his game on later career Sampras so I would expect to see him volleying and slicing a bit more. He has a far weaker backhand than Pete. Serve and forehand are just fine. Movement has improved. It will be interesting to see how he develops as he gets stronger. He should be a monster when he is around 25. This is more or less his breakout year.

    He is a boring player to watch though just like Pete.
     
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    I can understand the train of thought behind boring to watch with him just blasting aces but I prefer watching him than say fish who is on against Ebden right now plus when he goes for second serve aces is quite entertaining.
     
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    Raonic does seem to have a fiery and competitive spirit and temperament which is always brimming but usually kept just below the surface. The end result is this sense of bustling calm which is backed up by this fire and belief in succeeding. His tennis is big, imposing - he can crush a slew of winners with ease even on slow courts. Given time, he'll cut out a lot of the errors from his game and be a major force on the tour along with Bernard.
     
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    That or he will get an injury and up teaching tennis to a bunch of old ladies and country club brats!

    Jachim Johanson anyone?
     
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  24. Apun94

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    TBH, Tomic has impressed me more than Raonic. The ONLY reason Raonic is getiing slightly better results than Tomic is because of serve. And thats only becuz of his height. Any tall tennis player can have a good career. I mean look at Karlovic, He has an ok forehand and a HORRENDOUS backhand and still he made Fed sweat at this yrs AO.
    In a way Raonic is lucky. Hes got good height and thats y his serve is huge. His forehand is good but overall, Tomic has a better ground game. I was really impressed by his game at the AO.
    Raonic is sort of like Roddick. If u can neutralize Raonic's serve (easier said than done, obv) then u can really trouble him, just like Melzer did at Memphis.
    Plus Tomic has had better results in the majors
     
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    That is pretty much the worst thing you can actually say about a pro tennis player.
     
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  26. Zildite

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    Raonic is listed on the ATP site as being the same height as Tomic.
     
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    Raonic is Greg Rusedski mark II. Unlike Rusedski he goes for big shots from the baseline but he actually misses the majority of them (60%) so he is weak at the baseline just like Rusedski was.

    But like Rusedski he has that 150mph serve and like Rusedski I think that will take him to at least one grand slam final in his career.
     
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  28. Rozroz

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    BUT Tomic=a horrible spoiled brat.
     
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    hell no.


    ground game is no way remotely similar to fed's.

    how you figure this?
     
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    I think he was just comparing their temperaments - the latter part of the sentence is where the comparison kicks in.
     
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    They're both 6'5''
     
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    I think tennis is such a physical sport today, so we can never really judge players until they've come into their complete physical maturity (which includes endurance). So to say, at this early point in time, that Raonic is miles ahead, isn't really saying much. Obviously his height (which will always be his key physical attribute) is fully developed already. We don't yet know what Harrison's, or Dimitrov's, or Tomic's physical abilities will be. I wouldn't be surprised if any of the "pack" ends up being the cream of the crop.
     
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  33. KHSOLO

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    If raonic if the future of tennis i wont be watching it any longer im afraid, a big serve with basic groundstrokes behind, no great shots at all and boring game overall
     
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    Wrong. Get on the Ryno train; there's plenty of room. Incredible serving at times, excellent fh, improving bh, frickin' great mover, stock American whining/petulence. He's your man for the top twenty this year.
     
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    he's doomed. his type of body will get injured once in a while.
     
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    Are we getting a little carried away here? What can Raonic do that Isner can't?
     
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    Being younger? Also, Raonic already has a much better holding percentage than Isner. His returngame needs work but he's got more time to develop it than Isner has. Also, Isner is about to become a top 10 player, so being as good as Isner would still be a lot better than Tomic, Dolgopolov, Harrison
     
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  38. Cup8489

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    move at something faster than a glacial pace.
     
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    What Milos can do (or has the potential to do) that Isner can't is develop the rest of his game. Movement, touch, power and placement off both wings. The kid has all around tennis savy, he just has to nurture it.

    I watched the first 2 sets last night against Fed, and he totally stymied him in the first. Then in the second you could see Fed's boundless tennis know-how start to find cracks in the kid's game..

    Milosh will be compared to Pistol Pete within 3 years. I called it here.
     
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  40. spiderman123

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    Not comparing the age, but what they can achieve with his game. I would love to be wrong but I did not see a multi-slam winning game there. I am really worried about my tennis watching 5 years from now? Who will I be excited about? Whose career will I follow as if it is mine? :)
     
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  41. PSNELKE

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    Meelosh is a nice guy unlike brats like Tomic and Harrison.
    Wouldnt be pissed about him winning big things.
     
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    Holy cow... lol
     
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  43. Lsmkenpo

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    Now your talkin, good to see your coming to your senses and getting over the horrible ******* fever.

    Young Ryan Harrison is the future of American tennis. You left out one of the best second serves in the game and a good aggressive return in your assessment of his skillset, not to mention a winning H2H record against Raonic all the way back to the juniors.
     
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  44. brettsticker86

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    harrison recently made semis at San Jose
    sock and kudla are overrated
    tomic is an incredible talent, made semis of brisbane

    to say they aren't even close is a bit off.
     
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    this person obviously gets paid to get on these forums and post ridiculous replies. tomic is underrated. harrison a poor man's gimelstob? harrison actually has groundstrokes and doesn't look like a board while serving. Sock is the only ill agree with, i don't see much potential in him. still, brainless reply
     
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  46. djokovic2008

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    Semis of one tournament does not qualify as close, Raonic not only has one three but two of those he won without being broken its an different world from Harrison. Plus tomic an incredible talent please, gaquest was a talent when younger, tomic is just above average as his results suggest. Plus for being 6 ft 5 he does not serve that big.
     
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    ok, so if you win a tournament, does that not qualify as winning the tournament then? the semifinals of a tournament is close, 2 matches and you're the champ. Tomic IS a raw talent, his hands and redirection of the ball are incredible. there's a lot more to tennis than blasting big serves...just look at, oh i don't know, the top 10? Harrison only has one of the best serves on tour right now, not from a power stand point, which seems to be your obsession. tomic has had some solid wins this season, verdasco one of them. and please don't try to downplay that. more power does not equal more talent. and my response was just a reply to them NEVER having been close to winning a tournament. they've all been deep in at least a few tournaments.
     
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  48. Devilito

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    Raonic is on another level. He’s won 3 tournaments while missing 1/2 of last year due to injury. He only really looses to good players. Federer, Hewitt, Meltzer, Nadal, all respectable losses. He has one of the best win/loss records this year. When you watch Raonic play you know he’s pretty much the favorite against anyone outside the top 10 while when you watch guys like Harrison, Young and Dimitrov you know they could lose even against a 200 ranked player if they play sloppy. Raonic is just more consistent at a higher level right now. Tomic is up there too right now. His game is just more developed to be consistant at a higher level. Harrison has the tools, he just needs to mature about 10 more years, he’s still playing with a juniors mindset.
     
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  49. PCXL-Fan

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    In that aspect sure, however Fed/Djokovic/Nadal/Sampras/Agassi/Lendl/Borg/etc etc were miles ahead of at Raonic 21.2 yrs old.
     
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  50. djokovic2008

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    Most players if not 95 per cent go deep in tournaments at some point in their career but winning a title is miles away from going deep. Even your berdych, monfils types of players don't win that many tournaments and cherish them when they do, berdych was on a big drought before he last won one so yes winning titles is the key element here. This is what separates champions from also Rans, it's safe to say Raonic will have a more successful career in regards to titles than the likes of Harrison band tomic. Out of interest this talent of tomics you speak of is it more of a talent than a gasquet when he first broke through or even Murray because for hand skills and feel he does not compare.
     
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