Raonic on playing Federer vs playing Nadal

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  1. Marius_Hancu

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    Q. You played Nadal twice; you played now Federer. For you, who is the tougher opponent?

    MILOS RAONIC: I think it's two different things. I think against Nadal, I feel like I just was able to sort of get more into the match. I feel like if Federer plays well he can just blow you out quicker.

    I think Nadal might be tougher to close out just because of how adamant he is and how much he perseveres through things. Against Rafa, I feel like I had it in my hands. I had a few more opportunities in my hands that I didn't execute.

    Against Federer, I feel like [that even] if you did the things right he could take it away from you pretty quickly.

    http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=78312
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    His matches against Nadal:
    http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=R975&oId=N409
     
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  2. DjokovicForTheWin

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    HE's basically just reiterating what both Fed and Nadal have already said and what the staunch tards on this forum deny.
     
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  3. vive le beau jeu !

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    now the question is... which part of this quote will the golden beef worshippers take out of context to decide of milos' destiny ?

    - the red one ?... awarding him the coveted status of fellow faithful ?
    - or the blue one ?... burning him at stake for this intolerable lack of respect towards the almighty rusty peak injured golden bull ?

    place your bet...
     
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  4. Gaudio2004

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    What he says about Nadal is logical; Nadal is a reactive baseliner, aka a "modern" baseliner, and (at least in the early rounds of tournaments and sometimes all through out!) reacts rather than ignites with game-style. Whatever you try - Nadal will respond to it, it "feels" like the match is in your hands because it is you who is creating, however as nearly all players find out, just because you are the one who is creating and igniting the match, it does not mean you will be the one to win it!

    Federer has a different style - a pro-active style that takes time away from anyone and "sucks" any player into reacting against Federer.

    A good example is to watch Raonic vs Berlocq at IW 2012 and then his next match (Raonic vs Federer), Raonic looks a different player when returning!
     
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  5. DjokovicForTheWin

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    But Raonic also kinda contradicted himself:

    1) Q. What was it like being in the rallies with him compared to other guys you've played once the rallies start?

    A. He hits the ball like the other guys

    2) Q. Did you learn anything in particular from Federer on the other end?

    A. I think the best way to describe it is he has that efficiency‑ I'm not talking about with energy and everything, just with the way he hits the ball‑ he doesn't only hit the ball hard, but he hits it with an amount of spin that makes the ball go away from you even more.
     
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  6. keithfival

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    Yes, he had it in his hands even though he didn't win a set in 2 matches. I was sure I was going to win that game of three card monte on the street the other night too!
     
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    Milos is a real smart kid and I like what he's saying.

    It is however also a question of matchup. While you can't really blow Fed off the court with power (he takes the ball really early - I was amazed last night how he was glued to the baseline even on Milos's first serve) - Ralph is relatively poor against big hitters and I think it has to do with his positioning far behind the baseline.
     
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  8. merlinpinpin

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    What's interesting when you look at their matches' stats (except for the fact that Raonic had a pretty poor first serve % on the first one) is the break-point conversion:

    Nadal: 4 out of 4 (both matches combined)
    Raonic: 0 out of 5

    Now Milos knows what he has to work on against Rafa... ;)
     
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    most people who have played them both say similar things in that regard. there seems to be consesnus among those who should know about it
     
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  10. jackson vile

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    There you have it folks, another guy that is in control of the match and chooses to lose again Nadal. :)
     
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  11. marcub

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    Enjoy it while it lasts. Won't be long before the tide changes.
     
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  12. jackson vile

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    You mean that they will choose to start winning against him?
     
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  13. Cup8489

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    Ironic coming from you considering who your hero is:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SdfhhYJsJ8

    LOL.
     
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  14. SLD76

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    ROFL! I was wondering when someone was gonna compare what Raonic said about Rafa with what Djoker said after the one match with Rafa at RG......

    I thinki someone up thread has it right, maybe because Rafa is defensive minded and reactive, the other player 'feels' as if the match is in their hands, and its a matter of them making shots...meanwhile they fall into Rafa's web...
     
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  15. billnepill

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    I think nadal is in a lot more control these days, but previously with his adapted clay court tennis on hard courts he was really not in control of the matches. If someone went out there playing amazing aggressive tennis nadal simply gave up. Federer in his better years has always been more equipped to deal with players on his own terms than nadal ever was. Nadal was regularly pushed by players which federer just torn apart.

    Things have changed. Nadal is controlling the matches a lot better with more aggressive tennis now. Maybe only on faster surfaces he is a bit exposed
     
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  16. christinamaniac7

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    Well said!! :shock: Will they ever change their mind to beat rafa while controlling matches??!:-?
     
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  17. Bobby Jr

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    Yep.

    Raonic is right. Nadal is more of a supreme grinder. No matter how many times he beats you players can get into lots of rallys - that alone makes people think they've got a chance, even if they really don't. Federer on the other hand can take that away from you, as he showed against Raonic yesterday. Any time Federer got a good swing on a forehand the rally pretty much went his way regardless of Raonic.

    That sort of play makes opponents feel more helpless than playing against someone like Nadal.
     
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  18. jackson vile

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    1) you can't really compare Nadal's "lesser" years with Federer "better" years

    2) offense does not = control, many of the better athletes and teams end up having the most superior defense rather than offense.

    3) I really don't think anyone is in control of the match when two high levels players are fighting. They are simply reacting to one another, control = you are the one in control = you decide the out come to your desire because you hold all the power.
     
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  19. billnepill

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    Hehe good point

    I think jvile might have forgotten what happened with yet another guy who said the same thing :)
     
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  20. SLD76

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    .....what?

    ever heard of the term the best defense is a good offense? meaning aggression=control

    ...what?

    do you think before you type?

    I guess Murray wasnt in 'control' when he whipped djoker a few weeks ago.
     
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  21. jackson vile

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    con·trol (kn-trl)
    tr.v. con·trolled, con·trol·ling, con·trols
    1. To exercise authoritative or dominating influence over; direct.

    That is what control is folks, the person in control, the majority of the time, is going to get their way.
     
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  22. SLD76

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    I guess no one ever 'controlled' a match by your ...i guess, definition.
     
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  23. jackson vile

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    I could agree if they are totally dominating the other player then they would be in control. Kinda like when Nole was handing out bagels and bread sticks last year.
     
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  25. marcub

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    Yep... kinda like your idol made his choice about a year ago. It's a matter of months now before Ralph goes down to the young guns.
     
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    LOLVILLE WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS PRESS CONFERENCE OF DJOKOVIC'S?

    Hmm...
     
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  27. Sentinel

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    He's basically saying what we all know but no one dares say ...
    ... that Nadal is the greatest ever. Federer sucks.


    10 vamos.
     
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  28. nadalwon2012

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    In other words, Federer is error-prone, Nadal is not. We already knew that.
     
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  29. merlinpinpin

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    Nope. In other words, Nadal leaves the initiative to you (and generally gives you the rope to hang yourself with, physically speaking, as his main stategy is to tire out the opponent and make him miss his shots) while Federer takes it away from you. Which is why Djokovic, who doesn't fear Nadal physically anymore, is not afraid to hang with him and beat him at his own game... and why he's vulnerable to an inspired Federer.

    But of course, everyone already knew that. ;)
     
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  30. Russeljones

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    That every match Federer every plays is on his racquet and his form on the day decides the outcome.
     
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  31. Feather

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    I concur :)
     
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  32. nadalwon2012

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    Nadal defeated Raonic 6-4 6-4 (2010, hardcourt, Tokyo)

    Nadal defeated Raonic 7-5 6-3 (2011, hardcourt, Tokyo)

    :lol: Nadal owns the crap out of Raonichump.
     
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  33. nadalwon2012

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    I wonder if Federer has the ability to beat Raonic in straight sets.
     
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    Another player that is so kind to Nadal that he decides to lose the match agains him.

    Seems to be a lot of guys out there that do that - of course Federer is the most generous of them all :)
     
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  35. nadalwon2012

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    Raonic is probably a federer fan, so I can see why he might suck up a bit in this case. Nadal comprehensively owns Raonic, while federer looked rather tame and beatable vs Raonic. Raonic really struggles to get on top of Nadal from the baseline. It's like "hit an ace/freak winner or bust". It's like Wayne Arthurs vs Andre Agassi.
     
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  36. marcub

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    That's probably your only accurate statement in this thread.

    It's called the percentage game. Ralph plays by the book, 3 feet above the net, with crazy ping-pong spin like his tio taught him. Huge margin for error. Not a lot of guts in playing like that. Not a lot of winners either.

    That's why Ralph's game is not attractive to watch. No, not even to the girlies who drool after him on this board. They don't watch his game anyway :).

    Fed's game is all about winners. And only whoever doesn't try doesn't make mistakes.
     
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  37. nadalwon2012

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    The most accurate post in his thread is-

     
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  38. TheFifthSet

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    He's a chump for expressing his opinion? :s And for being a top 25 player in the world?

    Then what are you? He's clearly more successful than you, so you must be less than a chump. Which is a pretty sad proposition.
     
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  39. nadalwon2012

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    I only called him a chump because his 0 of 4 in sets played vs Nadal. Raonic is Nadal's chump. I'm far better than Raonic at all kinds of things. I bet I have more talents than him.
     
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    They always start watching his matches but the temptation of delicious cake is just too strong and after 10 minutes they're back in the kitchen gulping down cake with tears rolling down their eyes...
     
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    u probs do mang, u probs do
     
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    Kinda like Davy owns Ralph you mean? So you're one of'em h2h nuts.

    Enjoy Ralph's sucess while it still lasts, he's on his home stretch now. By the time you get to shave for the first time the likes of Raonic will sweep the court with Ralph.
     
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  43. FlashFlare11

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    That post, coupled with your signature, probably lost you any credibility you had laft.
     
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    :lol: thanks for helping start my day with a good laugh
     
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    Oh, you know Raonic personally?

    That's great!
     
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  46. nadalwon2012

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    You never had any credibility, so your judgmental post means zero to me.
     
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  47. nadalwon2012

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    Just saying, I know for a fact he hasn't got the academic qualifications to match me in certain areas.
     
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  48. DjokovicForTheWin

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    Doesn't that mean Davydenko owns the crap out of Nadal?
     
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  49. nadalwon2012

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    Wrong. Davy leads Nadal 6-4. Nadal leads Raonic 2-0 and Roanic hasn't even won a set!

    Don't get too excited. You probably felt this way in 2009, and a year later Nadal was going for The Rafa Slam. Don't be shocked if Nadal is going for The Rafa Slam in 2013 AO.
     
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    Right, because I'm called a troll and flamed for every post I make. Sure...
     
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