Rate this guy

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Rate this guy

  1. 4.0

    18.1%
  2. 4.5

    24.6%
  3. 5.0

    23.2%
  4. 5.5

    21.7%
  5. 6.0

    8.0%
  6. Pro

    4.3%
  1. Sup2Dresq

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  2. cujays

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    do you have any more clips?
    its hard to tell from 2 serves
     
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  3. Rickson

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    That's really you, isn't it?
     
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  5. A.Davidson

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    It's gotta be. No mention of where the tournament was, guy's name, just a simple "rate it"?

    Yeah, I would bet that that is him.
     
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  6. drakulie

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    Nice serve. He most likely gets very good pace. He does seem to have a hitch when he starts his upward swing.
     
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  7. Jonnyf

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    That aint Sup. That guy seems to get some good pace.
     
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  8. Moz

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    Sup, Draq - behave yourselves!
     
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    Tough to tell, but based on his fluidity and motion, I would guess 5.0 or even higher. I don't know too many folks who play at a low level but have nice looking serves.
     
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  10. Klatu Verata Necktie

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    He could be a pro. His serve motion looks fluid and solid, which usually means that he's worked on it extensively. Someone who's worked on their serve to get it to that level has probably worked on the rest of thier game as well.
     
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    I rate this serve a 5.0 =P not the guy because i havnt seen him play yet lol
    =P
     
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  12. Sup2Dresq

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    2 new videos

    *Bump*

    I added two videos that will help rate this guy.

    One is him warming up his groundstrokes

    Second is one in an actual match.

    Please see original post.

    Thanks in advance.
     
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  13. TENNIS_IS_FUN

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    4.0-4.5...nice strokes.

    Edit: Just saw your serve video...i'd rate your serve at 5.0-5.5. Looks nice.
     
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    Pfffffft.

    While he did get a bit sloppy hitting that slice at the end right to his opponent, did you miss the deep backhand, flattened out forehand, down the line shot, and overall good court coverage? I don't think it is physically possible for a 4.0 to look like he does. A 4.5 seems quite unlikely as well.

    I stand by my original guess, 5.0 and up, but now I'm leaning towards a higher rating.
     
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  15. Sup2Dresq

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    Maybe this will help votes.

    The courts were well maintained clay courts and played slow. You can see that the ball really died after impact.
     
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  16. TnTBigman

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    he moves and completes his shots pretty well. nice service action. i'd say 5.0 to 5.5.
     
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  17. CAM178

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    His serve was impressive enough to say 5.0. But then his groundstrokes make me want to say 4.5. In the match, he hits the FH hard, but then has a really weak approach shot. Enough so that the other guy hit a winner without really trying. His FH looks a bit suspect, but only because it is so flat, and he doesn't seem to confident with it. His BH looks a bit weak in warm-up, but he seems to hit with confidence in the match. I'd say 5.0 overall.
     
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  18. Sup2Dresq

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    Good points.. but... in his defense the courts played really slow. You had to wait a little longer for the ball because it tended to sit up. Probably why you see a delayed tense stroke.

    Keep it coming. I think I given enough video to make a good choice. Right?
     
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  19. johnny ballgame

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    I'm going to say 5.5. It's a "center court" of some sort. A small crowd applauds at the conclusion of the point. You rarely see that at 5.0 and below (unless he's being rooted on by his USTA team).
     
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  20. Sup2Dresq

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    Interesting observation. The crowd applause justifies the level of play .. ? Am I understanding that.. I guess you wouldnt see too many people gathered for a low level match.

    All good points.
     
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  21. WBF

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    johnny ballgame, I would recommend you avoid forming conclusions from your limited experience.
     
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  22. johnny ballgame

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    Didn't draw a conclusion. Made an educated guess. One factor in my guess was the tendency for some posters to show very brief video of a player not looking too great... but he's actually some D1 player or former pro or challenger level guy.

    Side question - what do you know of my experience?

    I recommend you stop making recommendations based on little or no information.
     
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  23. WBF

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    I know that you can't form an opinion on someones level of play based on spectators. I have seen officiated matches with players worse than the 4.0 level with multiple spectators and a chair umpire. Heck, Bud Collins has watched more than one of my matches, does that make me a pro? It would be nice, but sadly, it does not.
     
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  24. johnny ballgame

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    ^^ I see nothing here that supports a declaration regarding my degree of experience.

    The audience was simply one of several inputs that I used to form my guess. Nothing more or less.

    PS - my guess was 5.5. Yours was 5.0 or higher. Are we that far off?
     
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  25. WBF

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    My apologies, based on your post it seemed as though your rating was based on the spectators. I agree with you (that he could be a 5.5).

    CAM: Yeah, that slice throws me off a bit. I'm assuming he just got lazy... it looked like he was *aiming* to get passed, based on his ability to hit down the lines and cross court earlier in the point. Weird.
     
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  26. johnny ballgame

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    No worries at all, have a good one.
     
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    I think it is around 5.0-5.5...which button should I click....Eeny, meeny, miny, moe
    Catch a tiger by the toe...
     
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  28. drakulie

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    In regards to the "approach shot">>>

    In the same point provided by the OP, how would a 4.0 hit his approach compared to a 5.0, or 4.5 compared to a 5.5, etc??. What would be the differences??
     
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  29. J011yroger

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    Dude is good, really good. It is guys with nice polished games like that who make me look like an axe toting barbarian.

    I say 6.0

    J
     
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  30. Topaz

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    Lol! As someone who has a 'cavegirl swing', I approve!!!
     
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  31. WBF

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    This is what I had trouble with. He hits a nice, low slice... But he hits it right at the guy! I don't think many 4.0's or even 4.5's would be able to slice like that.
     
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  32. J011yroger

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    Not really poor shot selection, making the guy create his own angle to pass you while having to hit up because your slice is about 4" off the ground.

    Other dude looks like he just got lucky with that pass, which I would suspect 8/10 would work out well for the attacker.

    Attacker looked like he had the other dude SERIOUSLY outclassed, so one would think that the smart thing would be to play low risk tennis.

    I would like to know the score, because I would be surprised if it was more than 2 and 2.

    J
     
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  33. J011yroger

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    Ya, my basic strategy is to hit the ball hard and hope it doesn't come back.

    J
     
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  34. Sup2Dresq

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    *eyebrow* [learned that from topaz]

    Don't be giving anything away Jolly.

    The score was 6-0, 6-2 in favor of the "guy" that makes you look like a barbarian.
     
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  35. tbini87

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    i guessed 5.0. i love seeing clips where you don't get to see the ball, and then see one point! he plays a great point just to hit an average slice to his opponent who passes him. looks like he has nice strokes, obviously polished. looks like a good player.
     
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  36. shintan17

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    Ok...my guess is 2.5...he is done!! ;D
     
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  37. hyogen

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    so wait, that guy loses the point right? other guy hits a passing shot when he comes to net :eek:
     
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  38. CAM178

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    Man, I know a bunch of Futures players would love if you were the TD. Those events don't have much of a crowd. Skill level has little to do with crowd.
     
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  39. J011yroger

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    That slice had nothing to do with average, that shot was F'ing wicked, the fact that the other dude actually dug it out and got it passed the dude was pure luck. He just took a desperation rip at it and got lucky. 8/10 the attacker wins that point.

    J
     
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  40. J011yroger

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    Sorry Sup. My fault for knowing the 2nd thing about tennis.

    So the score was right in line with what I thought.

    Will you forgive me if I say 3.5 at best? With poor shot selection, lousy footwork and a slow serve.

    J
     
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  41. Punisha

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    strange... i cant seem to find the 3.0 option
     
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  42. Topaz

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    Lol, it is right next to the 2.5 option! :)
     
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  43. WBF

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    Sup2Dresq, now that we have all the votes in, what rating is the guy?
     
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  44. WildVolley

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    As we're seeing again, a single point doesn't give us enough information to make a good judgment. The point looked well played except for the Roddick like cross-court approach shot hit directly to his opponent.

    I strongly disagree that his slice backhand would rate him above a 4.5, as the ball he hit was sitting and I play against 3.5s who could sometimes hit that good of an approach(they only hit slice backhands). What the 3.5s and 4s can't do well is hit solid deep groundstrokes moving the the opponent around as this player does.

    I'll guess 5.0 after seeing his serve.
     
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  45. Sup2Dresq

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    Stay on target.. stay on target!!!!


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    Just a little longer and I'll reveal the players background.
     
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  46. snoopy

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    This is a tricky one.

    First I'd like to say that video is deceiving and that these guys are better than me.

    Now that I've got that out of the way, I'm going to say 4.5. I originally was going to say 5.0 or more b/c the serve vid looked good and the clip of the point showed good control over shot direction and the ability to swing out and keep the ball in.

    But then I looked at the vids again. The vid of the guy warming up his groundies showed a nice repeatable backhand motion. Yet he looked stiff and the one forehand shot we saw was weird.

    When i rewatched the point vid, the guy furthest away seemed to have little juice on his shots (although they were deep and yes I know depth can be more important than power). That same guy also didn't seem to move very well. This is the same guy in the groundies vid. The other guy is better and he might be closer to a 5.0. but as others have noticed he didn't place his slice shot well.

    I could be totally wrong but I'm going with 4.5.

    EDIT:


    I changed my mind. These guys are 5.0 - 5.5s
     
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  47. my_forehand

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    6.0!
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  48. krz

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    I would say 5.5

    and regarding that slice it is harder to get an angle when the ball is in the middle.
     
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  49. montx

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    To me he looks like a 4.0. But if his serve had more camera angles i might up him to a 4.5.

    Nice groundstrokes.
     
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