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  1. tennisplayer1981

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  2. Rickson

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    Boojay does not want to be rated. He mentioned this specifically. Boojay does like nicknames however so I'll rate him a biscuit, banana face.
     
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  3. tennisplayer1981

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    Oh I had no idea it was him. My bad. Please accept my apologies Boojay.

    Anyway, he seems to be a solid player, so I'll leave it at that.
     
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    Probably 3.5 to 4.0. Your footwork is poor and your movement to the ball doesn't really take place until the ball is well over the net on your side. Improve that and your strokes will improve. Keep a consistent stroke on the forehand. You were spraying a lot.
     
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    That's not tp1981, that's boojay in the clip.

    boojay's thread
     
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  6. Bungalo Bill

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    (TW Coaching Wannabees) BB what would you rate this guy?

    (BB) 3.5 to 4.0.

    (TW Coaching Wannabees) Are you sure, this guy jumped over the Empire State building in a single bound? He runs faster than a speeding locomotive?

    (BB) 3.5 - 4.0

    (TW Coaching Wannabees) BB, is that your final answer?

    (BB) That's my final answer...
     
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    No worries, TP81. As Rickerson Biscuit had mentioned, I don't really care what my NTRP is. It's nice to know, sure, but in the long run, I only care about improving.

    Ah, and the infamous BB, with whom so many have had rifts with; I have nothing against you. I respect all rational comments, even harsh ones. I recall from a previous encounter we had that I had said I respected your opinion despite your approach to delivering it. You had said that you weren't going to sugar coat anything as that's the way you teach and that's how you push people to reach their potential, which is completely fine, I understand that, even admire it to a certain degree.

    I do, however, have to question your integrity. If all it takes for you to change your "objective" opinion (and I use objective loosely in your case) about someone is a comment here or there that you don't agree with, that raises a red flag, in my opinion, as to how valid your comments truly are.

    Case-in-point, your assessment of me after seeing a really old video of mine ages ago when I was nowhere near the level I was compared to the videos previously posted in this thread:
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1651577&postcount=28

    Your re-assessment of the SAME footage after I said a few things that happen to rub you the wrong way:
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1654067&postcount=57

    Versus, of course, your assessment now on the more recent videos in this thread:
    I may or may not reply to your next post (if you decide to, I honestly wouldn't give it another thought if you didn't, but I figured I'd give you an opportunity to defend yourself), depending on how you go about it. That's not to say I'm easily offended or even affected all that much by what you say, but I don't need to waste my breath on cynical/sarcastic posts from someone who has no idea about who I am or my work ethic, particularly someone who thinks he's certified to even judge such a quality from a youtube video. If you ask me, however, your credibility certainly dropped a few points based on the evidence I've provided, and I'd be disappointed about it.

    And back to TP81, here's my most recent video, although I had mentioned in my reply to your email that even this isn't an accurate representation of myself anymore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NlVGcMOboU

    I improve everyday, every week, and every month, and that's why I keep playing.
     
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    The fact that you can maintain a 20 stroke rally without going into pusher mode is a good enough reason to say 4.5 range, unless you spent hours trying to make that one rally to put on video. It also doesn't hurt that all of your non-volleying shots look extremely similar to Federer's, which wins huge brownie points with the TT Tips/Instruction forums.
     
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    Are you kidding? Federer is banana face biscuit boojay's hero.
     
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  11. Rickson

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    What is blankety blank's actual rating?
     
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  12. tennispro11

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    Your a joke. Plain and simple. If you teach your students the way you treat people on here, I would never, ever let you near anyone I know. I won't ever take what you say seriously, ever.

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    low to mid ranged 4.0 player in my opinion. you have some really solid foundations, but like some have mentioned, really need some help on your footwork. your volleys were hard to watch, but I think the footwork issue had a big part on that as well when you sent a few floaters long. nice looking strokes when the ball is in your strike zone, though. keep up the good work!
     
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    Editted his name out, assuming it shouldn't matter, but just in case...

    Rickson, according to that thread he is a computer rated 5.5, or a 6.0 according to the official USTA NTRP guidelines.
     
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    Guidelines or does that guy actually play in 5.5-6.0 tournaments?

    BTW, do you want me to edit his name as well?

    Why are we editing his name?
     
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  16. split-step

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    I like your forehand Boojay. Couldn't care less that it looks federer-esque. What I really like about it is your timing, which is very good on the most recent video you posted. (even with all the unnecessary jumping :razz:)
    You adjusted to the slice, high ball and med topspin drive well.

    I'm not really fond of how the backhand looks, but that is my only main gripe with it. timing is good as well and you are consistent with it. Even on the half-volley baseline pick-ups so kudos.

    Your partner's strokes are really good. I enjoyed watching him play at baseline and at net.
    I thought it was funny that your 2hbh partner had a good slice and sliced more than you did.
     
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  17. WBF

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    I don't know, felt weird posting his name :p

    As in,

     
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  18. split-step

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    BTW your comments were HILARIOUS!
     
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  19. Rickson

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    Uh Oh! Boolio's got a fan!
     
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    I dig the self-mocking captions in the video. My favorite: "TENNIS IS HARD". Tee hee. So true, so true.
     
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  21. split-step

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    To be fair to BB, it isn't immediately apparent that said person is a 5.5 player from the very short clips provided.

    This is why you can't tell rating based on a clip. You can tell based on a clip of someone playing against a rated player.
    Relative rating™, I already trademarked it, thank you very much.
     
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  22. mmeyer1

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    tennispro11, I wouldn't get too worked up over that guy he knows how to push people's buttons and most likely has no real tennis experience.
     
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    Dude, you just opened up a can of worms.
     
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    Its all good, it needed to be said
     
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  25. Rickson

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    Edited post.
     
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    I will make a new thread when I get back, I have a sneaking suspicion about the guy and I plan on getting to the bottom of it. Believe me Rickson, cans will be crushed and worms will cover the boards. :]
     
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    Let this one go, meyer. He may be hardcore, but he helps a lot of posters too.
     
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  28. tennispro11

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    I don't really care if he helps or not. As a teaching pro and a coach, I cannot believe he says what he says and people listen to him. As far as I am concerned Bungalo Bill is a joke.

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  29. Bungalo Bill

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    LOL, hilarious.
     
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    ^^ I'd rather have a coach that's tough on me than one that coddles me, that's the best way to help motivate a player to improve IMO. Honesty is always the best policy, at least you know were you stand.

    Back to the topic. Boojays strokes are pretty, but they also look like could break down in a match against a good player that hits corner to corner. BB is right about the late preparation, but fortunately he has very quick hands to make up for it to a degree. You (Boojay) should already have your racquet back right before your opponent strikes the ball, this will give you more time to adjust to anything coming your way. I'd rate you at a 4.0, but I'd say you still have alot of room for improvement in regards to the basics (don't we all).
     
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  31. Bungalo Bill

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    Ahhhh, poor baby. Do you need a tissue? But I bet you read everything you can on my posts about technique. Come on admit it. Come on...lol
     
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  32. tennispro11

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    No, I stopped reading your posts after you made a complete #ss of yourself. Needless to say, it didn't take long for me to stop.

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  33. Bungalo Bill

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    Yeah, right.

    Really, well too bad. I give my opinion based on what you put up. I could careless about your excuses.

    When are you going to learn. I assess you based on what you provide. I could careless about your "reasoning", your hurt feelings, or anything else. When are you going to get that through your head? It is what it is, I am not going to change my opinion based on someone challenging me. If you post video that requires me to change my analysis or rating, I will change my analysis. It is as simple as that. If you are wrong, I will point out WHY you are wrong.

    The trouble is when I point out people are wrong, they get all bent out of shape and start to defend their lousey position. However, no one ever says anything when I admit I am wrong, what about those times? Am I being fair when someone says I am wrong and actually proves it?

    Very few people on this board know what they are talking about in tennis technique on this board. And some that do cant write or explain themselves worth a darn.

    Dude, please wake up. This is a board that allows people to express their opinions good or bad. If I was looking for credibility or integrity, I wouldnt be here and would be on the courts sweet-talking everyone while taking their money.

    Have you paid me for all the tips I have provided? Has anyone? give me a break. I am going to be as honest and upfront (sometimes blunt) as I can. There is no smoke. If your footwork sucks, it sucks. If your man enough to take it, then I will provide you with ways on how to fix it. If you cry about it, we argue. It is really that simple.

    And bottom-line? Yes, I do know what I am talking about.
     
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  34. Bungalo Bill

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    Good, then I wont hear from you again.
     
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  35. Bungalo Bill

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    LOL, very funny.
     
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    whats funnier is your false sense of superiority over the others on this board.
     
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  37. Bungalo Bill

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    Yeah, okay. You still mad about the rating I gave you? Get over it dude. It is what it is. lol
     
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  38. mmeyer1

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    Dude just admit it, your not a former coach, your just like everyone else here, except you lack the cajones to post a video
     
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  39. mmeyer1

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    And I could care less about your "rating" I already have a USTA rating, and I never even asked to be rated in the first place
     
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  40. Bungalo Bill

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    I dont have a rating. I would be rated too high compared to where I think I am at right now. And the effort I would have ot put into the game would take too much time away from my schooling and family. It isn't worth it for me anymore.

    Let's just say we end our conversations as enemies. I think that will at least bring back order to the community. I dont like you and you don't like me. Can we say fair enough and move on?

    Keep in mind though whatever you post, I will read it and critique or comment accordingly as I am sure you will as well.

    Fair enough?
     
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  41. tennispro11

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    I wouldn't say that.

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  42. Bungalo Bill

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    Then the games begin.
     
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    BB, you're so funny <bungalo bill>ROTFLMAO!!!,</bungalo bill>. You make it easier and easier for me to dismiss what you have to say. I was one of the few people who actually took your posts seriously, but it doesn't help when most of what you have to say is a joke these days. Sounds to me like you're the defensive one who needs to be coddled and is constantly making excuses. Which is fine, I'm pretty good at playing that game too, as you say. Mind you, I don't have as much free time as you do, so you have me beat there.
     
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    I think Bill often has some good input, he's just cantankerous occasionally and tends to be overly critical on ratings.
     
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    Ahhh, I guess you didnt like my rating or critique of you. :)
     
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    Or maybe you didn't like my critique of you? Pretty sure that's it, Bill.
     
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  47. Bungalo Bill

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    Well I can agree with part of your post. But overly critical on ratings? lol

    I grew up in San Clemente, CA. I was good enough to go to college and play for a brief moment before I got burned-out on tennis.

    I later came back and completed the USPTA exam in So. Cal. This may not be saying much to a lot of people, but the pros that were grading strokes weren't slouches. They could tell if your strokes were "educated".

    I had good enough strokes to teach at Vic Braden's Tennis College for awhile with excellent tennis knowledge especially for those in the 3.5 to 5.0 range. This is my speciality. I also filled in for other coaches throughout So. Cal. I have seen a ton of players over the years.

    So. Cal tournaments are highly competitive. I rate you according to how you would do in Southern California. Period.

    If someone was telling a player that they were higher and they believed it, I could care less. It is what it is and my rating is my rating.
     
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  48. tennisplayer1981

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    Well from what I saw in the vids I posted, I have great admiration to you game because simply put- it's better than mine. And as for the new video, fantastic. Continue the great work and much success to you in the future.
     
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    I don't doubt your expertise, you seem to have a very deep knowledge of the game, and I usually find myself agreeing with you (or just having no knowledge on the topic myself). It just seems that you can be a bit conservative when rating videos, pointing out small issues which would probably wouldn't result in problems at the levels under discussion. Do you not think a 5.0 player could tool most 4.0's and some 4.5's while engaging in what we would all consider disgusting footwork and preparation? Does a 4.0 really need good footwork rather than a little speed and maybe quick reaction times?
     
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  50. Bungalo Bill

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    Well I guess I can say the same the other way around. I think people are handing out higher ratings like water. I dont do that. I rate it based on what I know and what I have seen. My rating will always seem conservative especially when players are making excuses and not showing their best.

    Sort of a trick question. It would depend on the footwork of a "4.5" player. Maybe the rated 4.5 player in my book would really be a 4.0 player. I can't answer this question because all things aren't equal. A 5.0 player by definition has good footwork and so should be able to school a 4.0 player.

    Just because they have good looking strokes and lousey footwork does not mean they are 5.0.

    All players need to work on their footwork. Footwork is essential as you move up the ladder. If you want to rate a player a 4.5 and have your reasons and I want to rate the player a 4.0 and have my reasons why would that matte to you?

    You should respect another coaches viewpoint. I see things you dont see and vice versa. It is all a craps shot anyway until the person actually competes.

    Up here in Boise, they rate people 4.5's then I say these people are good 4.0's. They get mad, head down to So. Cal and get killed by 4.5's. Is it my fault that I said they were 4.0's? Is it wrong or forbidden to say what I think?

    It may not be popular but I am not in this for popularity.
     
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