Discussion in 'College Tennis Talk' started by TopDawg, Apr 26, 2012.
Hmmm, where's our friend who was saying Nedeveyesov is better than his ranking? Maybe he is.
didn't think Grass would be such a good surface for him. I guess his big kick serve is very effective on grass.
J Jenkins quallified for USA F16 and got the nice draw of another qualifier for his chance at his first ATP point.
It was pretty surprising that Buerchner of North Florida routined Kobelt 6-3 6-3.
Your surprise is what's surprising.
All in fun now. Ha ha
I just noticed that Dennis Nevolo is the 8 seed in this weeks Florida future but is also the #2 seed in the Pearson Ford Open in Indianapolis (a money tourney with no ranking points) and is scheduled to play Friday at 11.
He must be pretty confident that'll he'll get beat in FLA today or tomorrow. Nothing like hedging your bets.
Sure enough, 1st round loss
Jenkins has been ranked before. I guess he let all his points fall off concentrating on school. He's been in the 600s before
He ended up not playing in Nap though he was seeded in the draw earlier in the week.
Samantha Murray who went to Northwestern in playing right now at Wimbly
Kobelt lost to Hans Hach (good player who played at D2 Abilene Christian) 7-5, 5-7, 6-0 in the qualifying at the Rochester futures. Surprised Kobelt couldn't hold his serve once in the last set. Not sure if this result says more about Hach or Kobelt.
And like most of the Brits today she lost ( I think Murray was only winner)
Several guys playing over in Turkey - Dean O'Brien (Georgia Tech), Remi Boutillier (Fresno St), Ruan Roelofse (Illinois), David Sofaer (Pepperdine), and somehow Chris Cooprider (UNC Wilmington) got a wild card.
she is good. and andy murray's half sister. this is a top secret, however
Yannick Maden lost in quailed of the German future
Oh you are surprised Cooprider who just beat the #1 seed and world #259 got a wild card? I'm guessing that was a pretty good wild card
I hope she got the looks
Yes I am surprised that an American with no ranking points got a wild card half way across the planet in Turkey. If it was here in the US, Canada, or Mexico then it'd make more sense. It's great that he won and is doing well though.
I don't know. He could have won Wildcard playoff. He could have a buddy who speaks the language lobby for him. Those on the WC request list could have been weak locals. Regardless, Cooperrider is a darn good player and rewarded the TD's decision by knocking off the #1 seed.
I'm pretty shocked that Cooprider won. There was nothing in his game to suggest he was capable of beating a top 300 pro. He is a small scrappy guy but with no real shot-making ability or court sense. He must have another level I didn't see.
Looks like he went 18-3 at # 2 and 2-0 at #1 this spring. Although UNC-W is not in a power conference, the kid had a great year. Over his 4 yr career he's one that certainly improved during his time playing college tennis. Started his freshman year barely playing #6 and moved up most every year. Impressive to me. Maybe his improvement curve is not over.
How many college players have an equal record to this, considering the level of the competition? How many of them beat a top 300 player as soon as they play a Futures? There is no way to spin the result as anything but a surprise. Of course, we know nothing about the form that the opponent is in right now, just his position on the draw sheet. Will Cooprider go on a run, or was this result just an aberration?
I'm not spinning his win. I'm not that surprised he got a Futures main draw wild card in Turkey. I am saying he has appeared to improve every year the last 4 years. Either his win is a complete aberration or he's continuing to improve and the TD thought it was worthwhile to give him the WC. We'll see over the summer.
Former Auburn Tiger Tim Puetz #250 def. #116 and top see Hildago in Marburg.
Seems like you get too caught up in the conference. Cooprider beat Adams from South Carolina and was on the way to beating Saba from Duke at the end of the year. I would say thats pretty good competition. UNCW has been in the Top 50 pretty much his entire 4 years there. Schools that cant say this are Clemson, Miami, Georgi Tech, Arkansas, Arizona, Oregon etc.. Oh and btw he has a doubles win over Jenkins/Styslinger from UVA. I played mid-major college tennis and there are a lot more quality players there than people give credit for..
That's the point. There are a lot of very good college players scattered across the country at a lot of different schools. Therefore, (1) it is curious that one of them gets a wild card in Turkey, where he has no ethnic connection that we know of, and (2) it is surprising that one of the many good but not fantastic college players beats the #259 player in the world, because we have all seen many good college players turn pro and never do a whole lot in the Futures tour.
As stated earlier and not just by me, the only thing surprising about college players results in the summertime are those who are surprised by them.
Hans Hach beat Kobelt, Jenkins goes 3 sets with a 57 year old and there's been other less than predictable wins and losses elsewhere already this summer.
Regarding Cooperider's win over the #259 player, I suspect one of three things, 1. Cooperider caught lightning in a bottle, 2. he is improving or 3. his opponent had a bad day. Yea, pretty simple analysis, but given our geographic location to Turkey and less than insightful news reporting on Tennis Futures Tour, there's more unknown than known. However, I see Cooperider lost to former GT player and #6 seed #691 Dean O'Brien in 3 sets.
I'm going with Cooperider's improving. The next few months will tell.
^^ Probably a combo of all 3 factors.
Goldhoff (18 yo) got his first point yesterday and plays Jenkins in just a bit.
No offense to Mark Vines who is a great tennis player, but it was a non ATP event, I'm having a hard time believing Jenkins was taking it completely serious, especially because he went down in the next round without putting up much of a fight. The depth of tennis right now is very good, the line of separation between the players is getting thinner and thinner. Dustin Brown for instance lost a week ago to a guy 500 in the world and is in the 3rd round of Wimbledon.
And as far as Cooprider getting a WC to a future in Turkey, I thought it was pretty well known in the past that WC's at some events could be "bought". Under the table of course, but if he has the money to go to Turkey for a future certainly the money is there to spend 5K on a wildcard.
who cares about Kobelt. he will never make it as pro. Anyway, what happened to the real deal, Steve Johnson, lost to talentless Bobby Reynolds in 1st round of Big W. That was a match he was supposed to win.
All these tournaments we've been talking about here are non-ATP events. Now you bring up Dustin Brown from right field. What college did he attend? anyways he'a barely ATP singles level and he's very inconstant in singles.
I just mentioned two examples of summer college tennis results. There are many other curious results. Some have been mentioned, others I don't have time to go back and chronicle.
Not a chance that he paid $5k for a wildcard. Wildcards can be bought at all tournaments, but Coop doesn't have that kind of money. Obviously did well with it. Great guy and super happy for him.
I brought up Dustin Brown losing to a guy ATP 500 to show the depth of the game. Clearly that went over your head.
Given you clearly don't know the difference between non-ATP, college, Futures and ATP level tennis no offense taken.
JP Smith (TN) playing 2rd Wimby Doubles with Paul Hanley 1-1 sets against #3 seed
1500 would be enough
Rola won the gold at the Mediterranean games beating Jaziri and Ilhan in the process. Two former top 100 players.
Good article about the struggles of making it on the Futures/Challengers circuit.
Good article dawg, here is a copy and paste from another part of his site dealing with college tennis at NC State:
At the time, College Tennis in the U.S. was my best option as it would give me a chance to get back in the swings of things with my tennis. I knew I wasn’t ready to play on the tour after such a long period away from the game and I also knew that there were a lot of players choosing the college route prior to playing pro. At 19 years old I was in a situation where I had no coach, no money and no real guidance about what to do next. I was completely unsure of things and had no idea how the college system in the U.S. worked, about where to go and about how scholarships worked. What I did know though was that it was a critical period of my life/career.
Because I hadn’t played a tournament in almost 2 years, I had no solid results to show to the college coaches in America. As far as they were concerned, I was just an average tennis player from Ireland looking for a full scholarship to their University. Despite being one of the best junior players in Ireland 2 years before, they weren’t interested and there was no chance I’d be getting a full scholarship! No Way! It felt horrible to spend 17 months suffering from a frustrating bone injury only to be confronted with another obstacle. It was a distressing time for me as I knew that if I went to college in Ireland, the chances of playing to a high level in the pros were pretty much impossible.
A friend of mine who had already played college tennis in the U.S. put in a good word for me at the College he had already played at (North Carolina State University). He assured the head coach that I would be a good addition to the team and despite my time away from the court, I had the talent and commitment to come back strong. I didn’t have too many options about where I wanted to play and North Carolina State became my only option. I was lucky enough to have been given the chance to play there but at the same time, I knew it wasn’t the very best place for my tennis development. It was fantastic for school, friends and general college life but not for making me the best tennis player I could be. NC State were ranked in the 50′s in the country at the time and had a group of guys who were all good players but no one I felt would be taking names on the pro tour. The players who would be doing damage on the pro tour after college were mostly part of teams in the top 10 in the country.
I could actually write a book on my experiences in college but I’ll have to summarize it. I spent a total of 3 semesters in College (2 Spring Semesters ’07 ’08 and one Fall Semester ’06). I helped the team in 2007 achieve their best result in the school’s history (NCAA Quarter Finals) and I played number one on the team throughout 2008, was team MVP and ended the year inside the singles top 50. It may sound like I had a fantastic time in college but there were a lot of very tough moments. A lot of injuries, stress and odd team dynamics are what stick out from my college experience there but in saying that too, I learned a huge amount about myself and met amazing friends who I still keep in contact with today. This is in no way suggesting that playing college tennis in the U.S. is a bad option, instead it’s an opportunity for me to stress the importance of guidance and advice that needs to be shared with teenagers prior to college.
Collecting Team MVP Award at end of ’08 Season
Believe me, if I was 19 again I would still go to college in the U.S. albeit I would think twice about where I wanted to go and who I knew I would be surrounding myself with. It is SO important to have the right people around you and at the end of the day, you want to feel comfortable with the college you choose.
After completing 3 semesters in college, I received a phone call from someone letting my know I had received some sponsorship to play on the tour. I said yes immediately, I have no regrets about leaving college early and am very happy I started playing on the tour in 2008.
Yeah, especially since the winner gets about $1300.
Great story. My wife and I usually make it over to a couple of ND matches each year. We should meet up and have a couple of cold ones.
Ok so the guy from Georgia that Cooprider beat last week, the win we were all impressed by, lost to David Sofaer(#6 Pepperdine) 6-4 6-1. I think that says quite a bit about his form.
Cooperider wins another main draw match, gets another point. Plays the 5 seed/631 ranked player tomorrow. Go Coop!
More college players poised to get their first point tomorrow. Not all Futures are created equal.
Would you feel better if Cooprider beats another seed around 600? Cause he did today after barely dropping games in the qualy..
Now that's a solid win. Tiago Fernandes was at one point a very good junior and was in the top 400 at age 17.
Lot's of college guys doing well in futures.
Turkey F26 - Cooperider and Sofaer win again and they will play each other in the semis. So much for poopooing their results. Some may try, I know, its a Futures in Turkey, blah blah blah.
Cunha lost. Dean O'Brien in a 3rd set in one quarter, but I need to go to bed.
Coop has excellent hand-eye and is a strong counter-puncher with a smart and effective net game. I worked with him some in the juniors, and it is terrific to see this Denver kid earn ATP points and light it up a bit!
remember when Novikov beat Janowicz?
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