Recommendations for spin-friendly Multi cross in a Poly hybrid

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  1. Hi I'm Ray

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    Looking for recommendations for Multi that is non-gummy/sticky and spin-friendly when used as a cross in a Poly hybrid. I'm hoping the cost per set will be $10 or under (for just the multi) even if that price is only available in a reel.

    So far the polys I like using most are Signum Hextreme, Cyclone, and Scorpion. Currently using Forten Sweet 17 as a cross and fairly happy with it. A little extra pop on serve and slightly more feel wouldn't hurt though.

    The reason I'm looking into a multi cross string is as an added arm safety measure. I don't have any problems so far but I am using I am using polys in a stiff frame and looking out for my arm health in the long term.

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  2. pvaudio

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    Genesis Thunderblast is what I would look into, or, Babolat NVy although it's not a multi. Truthfully though, it's the best cross out there IMO and is pillow soft.
     
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  3. JackB1

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    agree about Nvy.. If you didn't know it was a syngut, you would think it was a multi. Prince Attack is also good. Its not gummy and works well as a cross. It's a multi that looks and feels like a syngut :)
     
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  4. Muppet

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    The Grail!?!

    A couple of days ago I strung Cyber Flash 1.25 M w/ S-gut 1.30 X @ 47/50 in a MuscleWeave 95. I think I was 1 lb. low on the tension, but I may have found my grail. The S-gut is very soft and elastic. It almost maxed out the tensioner on my dropweight. Also, both strings are very slick and have very good feel. I'm still testing against Cyber Flash/Hexy Fiber, but the S-gut setup has awesome response in the bounce test. As a disclaimer, pvaudio shredded S-gut apart with his Scorpion mains. But he may have been using a 5 lb. differential for that. [What were your tensions for that PV?] I'm hoping the S-gut will last with Cyber Flash at a 3 lb. difference.
     
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  5. Muppet

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    I just looked up PV's post on Scorpion/S-gut. He says that this combination gives a lot of feedback, which is not good for TE. While feedback is what I want, perhaps this isn't what you're looking for.
     
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  6. pvaudio

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    That is a nice combination, but I'm actually using Scorpion/Nvy and it's even better. Less feedback, more comfort and feel. The tension I used for both is 47/52.
     
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  7. mikeler

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    Have not tried NvY yet but Thunder Blast crosses were best for me.
     
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  8. bad_call

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    tried both Nvy and Thunderblast. Thunderblast is a bit more powerful so needs to be strung higher which might negate the over all comfort when increasing poly mains tension. unless of course holding poly mains tension and > 4 lb cross differential isn't a restriction for you.
     
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  9. Hi I'm Ray

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    Thanks for all the replies, I really appreciate it. Thunderblast and Nvy will be on my next order of strings.
     
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  10. pvaudio

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    Having tried both due to your graces, I think TB is a better string in itself, BUT, Nvy is better value. It lasts about the same amount of time and has 85% of the performance. However, the difference maker for me is that TB changes the feel of the stringbed significantly whereas Nvy simply makes your poly perform more nicely. In cooking terms, Nvy is salting to taste, but Thunderblast is a selection of herbs.
     
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  11. bad_call

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    ^ also what pvaudio posted...not sure of the seasoning analogy but close enough.
     
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    Alright, I looked up the Thunderblast and Nvy and have two questions: Is Thunderblast only available in 16g? Does color difference have any kind of effect on these two strings?

    Thanks.
     
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  13. pvaudio

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    The natural color is new to this year. It used to be only available in black which would leave waffle marks on balls.
     
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  14. pvaudio

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    See, Thunderblast would be a handful of thyme, rosemary and sage. You can then make lovely herbed chicken. However, you need salt to bring out various flavors and aromas in foods. That's what Nvy does. It simply brings out the best in the food and makes it taste better. Like salt though, if you add too much to a particular setup, it can make it worse (if you cross a soft poly with Nvy, you run the risk of oversalting, or mushiness). If your poly is fairly generic though, Thunderblast brings a lot to the table. Thunderblast makes most polys usable at the net and gives a lot of extra pop. See? Herbs and salt :)
     
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  15. bad_call

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    i'm down with that. :) my turn to cook the bird.
     
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  16. anubis

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    OP: I don't think you're going to leverage much more spin by adjusting the crosses. The mains dictate spin the most. Your best bet is to go for a smaller gauge cross, at least a 17. That will bite on the ball more than virtually ANY 16g multi or syn gut.

    If you really want to leverage the most spin, you will do better to just string a full bed of poly and bring the tension down a little to help with the stiffness.
     
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  17. mikeler

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    The white version is a little bit softer.

    Somebody get PVAudio some food, that boy is hungry today. :)
     
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  18. Muppet

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    I hit my serve this afternoon. Cyber Flash/S-gut has too much feedback and shock. That combo is like telegraph cable. But the CF/Hexy Fiber was very controlled and comfortable. I could use a little more feel though.

    I think I'm narrowing in on ye' olde grail. I'll include the Baseline Spin in my next order, or should I go with CF 1.20? What's like Hexy Fiber with more feel? Hexy Fiber 1.22? I'm not a string breaker (18x20).

    TIA
     
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  19. The Big Kahuna

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    I spent nearly 6 months (and over $800.) play testing polys, multis, and gut hybrid combinations - I tried just about everything and I researched everything I could find on the subject. I settled on a NATURAL GUT and POLY hybrid in the end - you just cannot beat the performance, comfort, feel, spin, and control you achieve for the money (honestly, you do spend more, but the difference is significant). That said, there are many multis that when combined to polys can perform well if you are on a very limited budget. Here were my findings:


    MULTIS to Test:

    √ Yonex Tour Super 850 Pro 16 String 8.95 / no reels available
    An innovative structure of high elastic multifilament and our exclusive "Power-Spin Coating" that will generate superior spin while maintaining the response and feel of natural gut. A distinctive "Pre-Stretch" method combined with double winding nylon wraps helps maintain string tension and optimizes playability. Noted: Stringforum reports that string plays well at lower tensions (51#). Pro version stiffer with more control.

    √ Mantis Comfort Synthetic 16 String 9.00 / 99.00 reel
    MANTIS Comfort Synthetic has been specifically developed to provide a soft string with gut like feel and playability whilst the special double coating enhances durability. Thousands of micro fibres are compressed and then nano coated to provide a core with superb feel. This is covered with highly durable monofilaments before the string is coated by a special elastic resin bonding process.

    √ Tourna Quasi Gut String 17 8.06 / 99.00 reel
    RSI reviewed: Our playtest team found Tourna Quasi-Gut 16 impressive even for a soft nylon, giving it ratings in the top 20 in four separate categories: 5th overall for Touch/Feel, 6th overall (tie) for Playability, 7th overall (tie) for Comfort, and 11th overall (tie) for Power. Bolstering these results are the teams’ well-above-average ratings for Tourna Quasi-Gut for Control, Spin Potential, and Tension Retention. As a result, Unique Tourna Quasi-Gut 16 is tied for 16th overall out of the 140 strings we’ve playtested to date for publication. Additionally, our playtest team told us that Tourna Quasi-Gut 16 doesn’t sacrifice playability for durability or vice versa.

    Other strings to consider or play test:

    Ashaway Dynamite 17 Soft String Optic Green 11.50
    Ashaway Dynamite 18 Soft Blue String 11.50
    Gamma Revelation 17 String 7.25
    Wilson Sensation 17 String 7.95
    ISOSPEED Professional Classic 17 String 9.99
    Head FXP Power 17 String 8.95
    Prince Recoil 16 String 18.00

    Chris Edwards from TW told me when reviewing these various multis: "In order of my preferred cross strings from your list: Yonex 850; Mantis Comfort; Tourna Quasi Gut; and Prince Recoil (for more spin)."

    √ - best value

    That all said, when I was using my POLY / MULTI hybrid, I had settled on SP TORNADO 17g and Mantis Comfort Synthetic 16 String - which was a great set-up for about $24. for two racquets. This was the best combo I could find at the time in 2010 - until I moved on the the current GUT / POLY hybrid I have now (noted below) which (when you buy the MSV Co-Focus by the reel) comes to $36. for two racquets (a $6. difference per racquet). In the end, I felt I could rationalize that cost when I was having the GUT / POLY hybrid playing well AFTER over 30 hours of play and I was cutting out my POLY / MULTI hybrid after it went dead after 16 hours. In the long run, GUT / POLY plays better and is CHEAPER as it holds the tension and plays LONGER.

    Something to consider.
     
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  20. Hi I'm Ray

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    I'll get the Nvy in white and Thunderblast in black then.

    I can't seem to find Thunderblast in 17g anywhere so I guess its available in 16g only.

    I'm not expecting to get more spin out of a multi cross, just trying not to get a multi cross with too much friction and hoping to maintain about the same amount of spin as w/syn gut crosses.

    Big Kahuna: I've been wanting to try gut/poly for a long time. I'm going to give it a try when there's less rain.

    Muppet: First time I've heard of S-gut, but it actually sounds interesting. Maybe it will go well w/the two Yonex polys that are getting both great & flat reviews but seem almost always noted for being too muted.
     
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  21. pvaudio

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    Yep, it's only available in 16g. S-Gut really isn't anything special, it's just a nice all-around syn gut. All of my previous PSGD players have switched to it and not looked back.
     
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  22. JackB1

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    Big Kahuna....you spent over $800 just to find out that gut/copoly is the best? I would have told you that for a nickel :). Seriously though, the virtues of gut/copoly have been touted on these boards more than Donald Trump touts "The Apprentice" ;-)
     
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  23. Muppet

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    Ray, I'm going back to Hexy Fiber 16 for a cross instead of S-gut. Luckily I'm not invested in a reel of the stuff. I'll try the Hexy cross 2 lbs. higher this time to see if I can get more feel out of it. The Cyber Flash 1.25/Hexy Fiber 1.32(?) is a really comfy combination. Good control too.
     
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    I guess I misread the posts and assumed S-gut offered more feel than usual for a syn gut.
     
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  25. Hi I'm Ray

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    Thanks for the replies.
     
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  26. Ross K

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    Great insights here Kahuna (not for the first time either)... BTW I'm about to finally investigate Pacific gut/MSV C-focus next week.


    Ray,

    Will be interested to hear how you get on with N.Vy, my usual cross string.
     
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