red x-one/ natural x-one?

Discussion in 'Strings' started by SAFMAN69, Oct 26, 2009.

  1. SAFMAN69

    SAFMAN69 Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2009
    Messages:
    229
    is there any difference in the two strings in how they play?
     
    #1
  2. ClubHoUno

    ClubHoUno Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2008
    Messages:
    3,150
    Location:
    Scandinavia, Europe
    If you ask Tecnifibre, they will answer NO to this, BUT BUT BUT......

    In my personal view and I know many other Tennis Talk guys shares my point of view in this regards, the red X1 plays NOTHING LIKE THE ORIGINAL natural colored X1.

    The red coating takes all of the really great things away from the X1 string. I bought several packs of the red version because it looked cool, and at first I was stubborn and wouldn't admit it played like cr#*#ap, but now I'm back testing and using the natural colored X1 in 1.24 gauge and love it.

    So STAY AWAY FROM THE RED X1 - IT STINKS COMPARED TO THE NATURAL X1 !

    It's certainly NOT VS natty gut, but X1 Natural 1.24 plays like what it is - one of the best multis you can get for money.
     
    #2
  3. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    ^^I think the balls tend to fly with X-1 sometimes. NRG2 is less powerful but has better control. better ball pocketing..
     
    #3
  4. Wes_Loves_Dunlop

    Wes_Loves_Dunlop Professional

    Joined:
    May 26, 2009
    Messages:
    853
    fedace you are wrong. as usual.
    x-1 is stiffer and therefore has less power.
     
    #4
  5. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    LOL, stiff has nothing to do with power.... Where does it say that X-1 is less powerful than NRG2 ??? prove it. Most people in the forum think X-1 is more powerful...:???:
     
    #5
  6. liftlobby2

    liftlobby2 Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2009
    Messages:
    197
    i am on a red x1! i will try the other color on my next string job. there's white too right?
     
    #6
  7. JavierLW

    JavierLW Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2007
    Messages:
    3,918
    He's right about the ball pocketing though.
     
    #7
  8. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    what?? you too think NRG2 has more power ?????????
     
    #8
  9. kashgotmoney

    kashgotmoney Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2008
    Messages:
    1,188
    NRG2 has more power. I have tested them at the same tension. also not to mention the facts state that x one is a bit stiffer.
     
    #9
  10. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    X-1 is stiffer, that i agree. so what does stiffness have to do with power ? X-1 is stiffer and has more power, i felt like.
     
    #10
  11. kashgotmoney

    kashgotmoney Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2008
    Messages:
    1,188
    Fedace, Everyone has their own opinion on strings. For most people, this string has less power than NRG2. It is agreed these two are similiar strings, but in general, nrg2 is known to have more power.

    and what stiffness has to do with power is alot. think of kirschbaum super smash spiky, a really stiff poly vs pro supex big ace, which has more power and why? the big ace because it pockets the ball better and is less stiff
     
    #11
  12. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    LMAO........... Proline 2 has Tons more power than big ace. and big ace is alot softer than the Proline2. does that not blow your theory out of water ? and Another myth. Ball pocketing doesn't give you more power, it gives you more CONTROL..............
     
    #12
  13. kashgotmoney

    kashgotmoney Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2008
    Messages:
    1,188
    natural gut is the least stiff of all strings and it pockets the most. and yet it has the most power.

    also higher tensions pocket less, and how is it that it gives more control?
     
    #13
  14. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    Natural gut cannot be figured into the equation. Natural gut has more elasticity than any other known string in the market,, that is why it has so much power. But then according to you, 18 gauge NRG2 would have more power than 17 G NRG2 right ??? since 18 gauge pockets the ball more. IS that what you are saying also ????
     
    #14
  15. kashgotmoney

    kashgotmoney Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2008
    Messages:
    1,188
    18 gauge does have more power than 17 gauge.

    A higher stiffness means more control, less power, and less comfort. Stiffer strings exhibit higher peak impact tension, higher peak force, less string deflection, and shorter dwell time (time on the strings). This leads to less power because the higher force crushes the ball more and loses energy.
     
    #15
  16. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    then why does X-1 perform better at higher tensions and NRG2 at lower tensions ?
     
    #16
  17. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    don't know why ? I just feel like my opponents have more problems if i am serving with X-1 then the NRG2. and i think X-1 is so much lighter than NRG2. it is odd.
     
    #17
  18. kashgotmoney

    kashgotmoney Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2008
    Messages:
    1,188
    for X one to perform better at higher tensions is an opinion and not a fact. In order to make such a conclusion, you must be able to back it up with a reliable source. In my case, My reliable source is tenniswarehouse and I can conclude that stiffer strings have less power, more control and less comfort.

    What you are saying can be false for all I know, both your statements are opinions and not facts. First off, you said that X-One Biphase has more power than NRG2. That is a opinion that you have failed yet to prove to be a fact. Second of all, you said X-one Biphase plays better at higher tensions. Again, that is a opinion and not a fact because I believe that for my use, it is well at 55.

    I rest my case.

    (I plan on getting a bachelors in psychology or business then going to law school, so this was good practice.)
     
    #18
  19. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    then why does 90 % of the people say X-1 has more power than NRG2 ?
     
    #19
  20. SAFMAN69

    SAFMAN69 Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2009
    Messages:
    229
    play nice guys :S

    so, coming back to the final question

    how is the red x-one different? is it still a good multi? because they only have the red x-one at my club.
     
    #20
  21. tennisplayer132

    tennisplayer132 New User

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2009
    Messages:
    83
    My local stringer tells me that any grips/strings that are dyed a different color usually perform different then natural/white ones (usually not as good) since the dye alters some things. I'm not sure if this applies to the X-1, but I usually use the natural colors.
     
    #21
  22. JavierLW

    JavierLW Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2007
    Messages:
    3,918
    Ive heard that as well.

    Although in some objects "white" is a color as well, it's not natural by any means.....

    (obviously most "natural" string is "natural" though)

    I had good luck with the Red X1. It might be different but Im not sure it's horrible or anything. It seemed to have more of a coating to it that got sheered off after awhile.
     
    #22
  23. tennisplayer132

    tennisplayer132 New User

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2009
    Messages:
    83
    More dye could mean it has more coating, With my friend's red X-1 it felt like i could almost stick my fingernails into the string and "peel" a thing layer off, of course i really cudn't but thats what it felt like,
     
    #23
  24. JackB1

    JackB1 G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2009
    Messages:
    14,128
    Location:
    Roswell GA
    I am using the red XOne and it seems to play identical to the natural.
     
    #24
  25. tennisplayer132

    tennisplayer132 New User

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2009
    Messages:
    83
    again this is totally personnel preference and opinions, some might like the natural better, others might think the red plays better my best suggestion would be to string 2 rackets with the same string but diff colors and hit with them
     
    #25
  26. SAFMAN69

    SAFMAN69 Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2009
    Messages:
    229
    i only have the red available from my stringer.
     
    #26
  27. DavidGarcia

    DavidGarcia Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2007
    Messages:
    1,742
    NO WAY IMO!

    I played with both and while the natural felt like a top multi the red just felt like a cheap synthetic.

    If you do search on the forum you will see many guys agreeing with my statement.
     
    #27
  28. Meaghan

    Meaghan Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2009
    Messages:
    2,994
    Location:
    England
    Ive played both and IMO the natural is completely different, a much better string, dont know why, maybe it is to do with the coating??

    I originally had my Rebel strung with full natural x1 and it was amazing for a short time in every department. When I saw the red on the bay cheaper I bought it to save a few bob and it was like playing a totally different string.
     
    #28
  29. jackson vile

    jackson vile Legend

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2005
    Messages:
    9,827
    I agree with this, the red sucks @$$
     
    #29
  30. kashgotmoney

    kashgotmoney Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2008
    Messages:
    1,188
    Again this is a opinion and not a fact. Do you have proof that 90% of the people think it has more power?

    I am totally alright with you stating your opinion. BUT for you to state your opinion and call it a fact, that is just wrong. What I am saying is that I believe NRG2 has more power.
     
    #30
  31. liftlobby2

    liftlobby2 Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2009
    Messages:
    197
    this is quite true. i've only hit lightly for one hour on my new red x-1 and its already fading, turning white.. another plus point to get the natural color. when everyone is arguing which color is better etc, at least cosmetic-wise, i would say "pink" strings aint cool. :neutral:
     
    #31
  32. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    I think only way to prove it is if you went out and measure the speed of your serves and groundies with two different strings. NRG2 and X-1.
     
    #32
  33. kashgotmoney

    kashgotmoney Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2008
    Messages:
    1,188
    The only way this can be done is if we had a consistent radar gun that read serves consistently. We also would need to have the rackets strung at the same time with the same machine. The machine would have to be accurate. Then we would have to do an average of about 50 serves because statistics show, the more something is recorded, the more accurate the average will be. From then, we would have to look at the data for any influental points or outliers that can make the data inaccurate. From there we can look at the lows and highs and also check to see how many standard deviations most of the points lie from the mean or median. If the data from that matches up pretty evenly, we can then conclude which string is more powerful based on expiremental studys.

    Once we do that, we can culminate this argument about which string is more powerful. It is also intuitively obvious to the most casual observer with a quick perusal of talk tennis members that this process is a lengthy process and that it will not change peoples opinion on this string. it will only prove facts that will not change my opinion. I am also showing some clemency here by explaining to you this whole process while instead I could be blasting you like other members about your habit of saying things that are opinions and yet you call them facts which irritate people.
     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2009
    #33
  34. liftlobby2

    liftlobby2 Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2009
    Messages:
    197
    makes sense. anybody doing it?
     
    #34
  35. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    I got an idea. Why don't we just make a Poll with a thread, which string is more powerful ? I think this forum has so many people who has tried both strings that we should have a good enough votes ? what do you think ?:)
     
    #35
  36. liftlobby2

    liftlobby2 Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2009
    Messages:
    197
    its useless throwing this back to the polls. might as well try it out ourselves and keep our own opinion. anyway, lets not hijack this thread.
     
    #36
  37. kashgotmoney

    kashgotmoney Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2008
    Messages:
    1,188
    Fedace, A poll will be better than our opinion BUT a poll will tally up peoples opinions and not facts. Like I said, one of the only accurate ways is to get statistics on the data, match up outliers and influental points, see how many standard deviations the points lie from the mean and median. if it matches up there, we then have a conclusion.
     
    #37
  38. kashgotmoney

    kashgotmoney Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2008
    Messages:
    1,188
    And yes, lets not hijack this thread. sorry you guys.
     
    #38
  39. JavierLW

    JavierLW Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2007
    Messages:
    3,918
    Preemptive Poll strike!

    A Poll?

    Geez, who cares? If you think it's more powerful then good, that's all that matters after all.....

    Just count all the responses on this thread (which probably already at least is something anyone who's used X1 is going to look at).

    And then all that, someone would still disagree about whether it's more powerful or not.

    A rebound test would probably be more accurate then anyone's opinion anyway. Usually when you hit a tennis ball it's not like you know for sure you're swinging at the same speed so you dont always know what the racquet is doing anyway.

    For me usually if I have a string that pockets the ball more, I get a more accurate shot, and I feel more like letting go and firing away. (thus I can hit the ball harder)
     
    #39
  40. kashgotmoney

    kashgotmoney Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2008
    Messages:
    1,188
    I agree with you. A poll is just a whole bunch of opinions tallied up. In order for the test to be accurate as far as groundstrokes go, you must need several groundstrokes measured with a radar gun. I am talking hundreds.

    think of it this way, you flip a coin twenty times, you are probably not going to get 50-50, but the more flips there are, the more closer to 50-50 it is and half and half is the probability.
     
    #40
  41. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    Ok then what if i called up the Technifibre string experts at the company, what would they say ? would they also say NRG2 is more powerful ?:???:
     
    #41
  42. JavierLW

    JavierLW Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2007
    Messages:
    3,918
    Depends on which one they would rather you buy?

    More expensive probably means more powerful?
     
    #42
  43. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    Not sure about that. Technical experts for the company will usually give you a honest opinion. they sell both strings very well so i don't think they have reason to lie.
     
    #43
  44. JavierLW

    JavierLW Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2007
    Messages:
    3,918
    Maybe.

    But then again, who cares?

    I think it's about a horse a piece.

    X1 is probably just has a crisper feel to it and it makes more of a "thunk!" so that makes people think that it's hitting the ball either faster or softer depending on whatever their imagination tells them....
     
    #44
  45. USERNAME

    USERNAME Professional

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2009
    Messages:
    1,301
    I gotta go with Fedace on this one, X-1 did feel like it had quite a bit more power then the NRG. As for the OPs Q, the red really does have an odd and nasty (imo) feel. Go with the X-1 Natty!
     
    #45
  46. liftlobby2

    liftlobby2 Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2009
    Messages:
    197
    Natty wins!
     
    #46
  47. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    #47
  48. JackB1

    JackB1 G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2009
    Messages:
    14,128
    Location:
    Roswell GA
    WHat do u mean by "nasty"? Did u compare it with the natural?
     
    #48
  49. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    It feels little more dead, the red one. feels more paperly....if you get my meaning..
     
    #49
  50. JackB1

    JackB1 G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2009
    Messages:
    14,128
    Location:
    Roswell GA
    I have no idea what u mean.

    I don't know how the string could be differenct just because its red?
    It doesn't make sense???
     
    #50

Share This Page