red x-one/ natural x-one?
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ClubHoUno
Banned
If you ask Tecnifibre, they will answer NO to this, BUT BUT BUT......
In my personal view and I know many other Tennis Talk guys shares my point of view in this regards, the red X1 plays NOTHING LIKE THE ORIGINAL natural colored X1.
The red coating takes all of the really great things away from the X1 string. I bought several packs of the red version because it looked cool, and at first I was stubborn and wouldn't admit it played like cr#*#ap, but now I'm back testing and using the natural colored X1 in 1.24 gauge and love it.
So STAY AWAY FROM THE RED X1 - IT STINKS COMPARED TO THE NATURAL X1 !
It's certainly NOT VS natty gut, but X1 Natural 1.24 plays like what it is - one of the best multis you can get for money.
Wes_Loves_Dunlop
Professional
fedace you are wrong. as usual.
x-1 is stiffer and therefore has less power.
x-1 is stiffer and therefore has less power.
Fedace
Banned
LOL, stiff has nothing to do with power.... Where does it say that X-1 is less powerful than NRG2 ??? prove it. Most people in the forum think X-1 is more powerful...:???:
liftlobby2
Rookie
i am on a red x1! i will try the other color on my next string job. there's white too right?
He's right about the ball pocketing though.
Fedace
Banned
what?? you too think NRG2 has more power ?????????
kashgotmoney
Professional
NRG2 has more power. I have tested them at the same tension. also not to mention the facts state that x one is a bit stiffer.
Fedace
Banned
X-1 is stiffer, that i agree. so what does stiffness have to do with power ? X-1 is stiffer and has more power, i felt like.
kashgotmoney
Professional
Fedace, Everyone has their own opinion on strings. For most people, this string has less power than NRG2. It is agreed these two are similiar strings, but in general, nrg2 is known to have more power.
and what stiffness has to do with power is alot. think of kirschbaum super smash spiky, a really stiff poly vs pro supex big ace, which has more power and why? the big ace because it pockets the ball better and is less stiff
and what stiffness has to do with power is alot. think of kirschbaum super smash spiky, a really stiff poly vs pro supex big ace, which has more power and why? the big ace because it pockets the ball better and is less stiff
Fedace
Banned
LMAO........... Proline 2 has Tons more power than big ace. and big ace is alot softer than the Proline2. does that not blow your theory out of water ? and Another myth. Ball pocketing doesn't give you more power, it gives you more CONTROL..............
kashgotmoney
Professional
natural gut is the least stiff of all strings and it pockets the most. and yet it has the most power.
also higher tensions pocket less, and how is it that it gives more control?
also higher tensions pocket less, and how is it that it gives more control?
Fedace
Banned
Natural gut cannot be figured into the equation. Natural gut has more elasticity than any other known string in the market,, that is why it has so much power. But then according to you, 18 gauge NRG2 would have more power than 17 G NRG2 right ??? since 18 gauge pockets the ball more. IS that what you are saying also ????
kashgotmoney
Professional
18 gauge does have more power than 17 gauge.
A higher stiffness means more control, less power, and less comfort. Stiffer strings exhibit higher peak impact tension, higher peak force, less string deflection, and shorter dwell time (time on the strings). This leads to less power because the higher force crushes the ball more and loses energy.
A higher stiffness means more control, less power, and less comfort. Stiffer strings exhibit higher peak impact tension, higher peak force, less string deflection, and shorter dwell time (time on the strings). This leads to less power because the higher force crushes the ball more and loses energy.
Fedace
Banned
then why does X-1 perform better at higher tensions and NRG2 at lower tensions ?
kashgotmoney
Professional
for X one to perform better at higher tensions is an opinion and not a fact. In order to make such a conclusion, you must be able to back it up with a reliable source. In my case, My reliable source is tenniswarehouse and I can conclude that stiffer strings have less power, more control and less comfort.
What you are saying can be false for all I know, both your statements are opinions and not facts. First off, you said that X-One Biphase has more power than NRG2. That is a opinion that you have failed yet to prove to be a fact. Second of all, you said X-one Biphase plays better at higher tensions. Again, that is a opinion and not a fact because I believe that for my use, it is well at 55.
I rest my case.
(I plan on getting a bachelors in psychology or business then going to law school, so this was good practice.)
What you are saying can be false for all I know, both your statements are opinions and not facts. First off, you said that X-One Biphase has more power than NRG2. That is a opinion that you have failed yet to prove to be a fact. Second of all, you said X-one Biphase plays better at higher tensions. Again, that is a opinion and not a fact because I believe that for my use, it is well at 55.
I rest my case.
(I plan on getting a bachelors in psychology or business then going to law school, so this was good practice.)
Fedace
Banned
then why does 90 % of the people say X-1 has more power than NRG2 ?
tennisplayer132
New User
My local stringer tells me that any grips/strings that are dyed a different color usually perform different then natural/white ones (usually not as good) since the dye alters some things. I'm not sure if this applies to the X-1, but I usually use the natural colors.
Ive heard that as well.
Although in some objects "white" is a color as well, it's not natural by any means.....
(obviously most "natural" string is "natural" though)
I had good luck with the Red X1. It might be different but Im not sure it's horrible or anything. It seemed to have more of a coating to it that got sheered off after awhile.
tennisplayer132
New User
More dye could mean it has more coating, With my friend's red X-1 it felt like i could almost stick my fingernails into the string and "peel" a thing layer off, of course i really cudn't but thats what it felt like,
tennisplayer132
New User
again this is totally personnel preference and opinions, some might like the natural better, others might think the red plays better my best suggestion would be to string 2 rackets with the same string but diff colors and hit with them
i only have the red available from my stringer.
DavidGarcia
Hall of Fame
NO WAY IMO!
I played with both and while the natural felt like a top multi the red just felt like a cheap synthetic.
If you do search on the forum you will see many guys agreeing with my statement.
Meaghan
Hall of Fame
Ive played both and IMO the natural is completely different, a much better string, dont know why, maybe it is to do with the coating??
I originally had my Rebel strung with full natural x1 and it was amazing for a short time in every department. When I saw the red on the bay cheaper I bought it to save a few bob and it was like playing a totally different string.
I originally had my Rebel strung with full natural x1 and it was amazing for a short time in every department. When I saw the red on the bay cheaper I bought it to save a few bob and it was like playing a totally different string.
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
I agree with this, the red sucks @$$
kashgotmoney
Professional
Again this is a opinion and not a fact. Do you have proof that 90% of the people think it has more power?
I am totally alright with you stating your opinion. BUT for you to state your opinion and call it a fact, that is just wrong. What I am saying is that I believe NRG2 has more power.
liftlobby2
Rookie
this is quite true. i've only hit lightly for one hour on my new red x-1 and its already fading, turning white.. another plus point to get the natural color. when everyone is arguing which color is better etc, at least cosmetic-wise, i would say "pink" strings aint cool. :neutral:
Fedace
Banned
I think only way to prove it is if you went out and measure the speed of your serves and groundies with two different strings. NRG2 and X-1.
kashgotmoney
Professional
The only way this can be done is if we had a consistent radar gun that read serves consistently. We also would need to have the rackets strung at the same time with the same machine. The machine would have to be accurate. Then we would have to do an average of about 50 serves because statistics show, the more something is recorded, the more accurate the average will be. From then, we would have to look at the data for any influental points or outliers that can make the data inaccurate. From there we can look at the lows and highs and also check to see how many standard deviations most of the points lie from the mean or median. If the data from that matches up pretty evenly, we can then conclude which string is more powerful based on expiremental studys.
Once we do that, we can culminate this argument about which string is more powerful. It is also intuitively obvious to the most casual observer with a quick perusal of talk tennis members that this process is a lengthy process and that it will not change peoples opinion on this string. it will only prove facts that will not change my opinion. I am also showing some clemency here by explaining to you this whole process while instead I could be blasting you like other members about your habit of saying things that are opinions and yet you call them facts which irritate people.
Once we do that, we can culminate this argument about which string is more powerful. It is also intuitively obvious to the most casual observer with a quick perusal of talk tennis members that this process is a lengthy process and that it will not change peoples opinion on this string. it will only prove facts that will not change my opinion. I am also showing some clemency here by explaining to you this whole process while instead I could be blasting you like other members about your habit of saying things that are opinions and yet you call them facts which irritate people.
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liftlobby2
Rookie
makes sense. anybody doing it?
Fedace
Banned
I got an idea. Why don't we just make a Poll with a thread, which string is more powerful ? I think this forum has so many people who has tried both strings that we should have a good enough votes ? what do you think ?
liftlobby2
Rookie
its useless throwing this back to the polls. might as well try it out ourselves and keep our own opinion. anyway, lets not hijack this thread.
kashgotmoney
Professional
Fedace, A poll will be better than our opinion BUT a poll will tally up peoples opinions and not facts. Like I said, one of the only accurate ways is to get statistics on the data, match up outliers and influental points, see how many standard deviations the points lie from the mean and median. if it matches up there, we then have a conclusion.
kashgotmoney
Professional
And yes, lets not hijack this thread. sorry you guys.
I got an idea. Why don't we just make a Poll with a thread, which string is more powerful ? I think this forum has so many people who has tried both strings that we should have a good enough votes ? what do you think ?
Preemptive Poll strike!
A Poll?
Geez, who cares? If you think it's more powerful then good, that's all that matters after all.....
Just count all the responses on this thread (which probably already at least is something anyone who's used X1 is going to look at).
And then all that, someone would still disagree about whether it's more powerful or not.
A rebound test would probably be more accurate then anyone's opinion anyway. Usually when you hit a tennis ball it's not like you know for sure you're swinging at the same speed so you dont always know what the racquet is doing anyway.
For me usually if I have a string that pockets the ball more, I get a more accurate shot, and I feel more like letting go and firing away. (thus I can hit the ball harder)
kashgotmoney
Professional
I agree with you. A poll is just a whole bunch of opinions tallied up. In order for the test to be accurate as far as groundstrokes go, you must need several groundstrokes measured with a radar gun. I am talking hundreds.
think of it this way, you flip a coin twenty times, you are probably not going to get 50-50, but the more flips there are, the more closer to 50-50 it is and half and half is the probability.
think of it this way, you flip a coin twenty times, you are probably not going to get 50-50, but the more flips there are, the more closer to 50-50 it is and half and half is the probability.
Fedace
Banned
Ok then what if i called up the Technifibre string experts at the company, what would they say ? would they also say NRG2 is more powerful ?:???:
Depends on which one they would rather you buy?
More expensive probably means more powerful?
Fedace
Banned
Not sure about that. Technical experts for the company will usually give you a honest opinion. they sell both strings very well so i don't think they have reason to lie.
Maybe.
But then again, who cares?
I think it's about a horse a piece.
X1 is probably just has a crisper feel to it and it makes more of a "thunk!" so that makes people think that it's hitting the ball either faster or softer depending on whatever their imagination tells them....
liftlobby2
Rookie
Natty wins!
Fedace
Banned
JackB1
G.O.A.T.
WHat do u mean by "nasty"? Did u compare it with the natural?
Fedace
Banned
It feels little more dead, the red one. feels more paperly....if you get my meaning..
JackB1
G.O.A.T.
I have no idea what u mean.
I don't know how the string could be differenct just because its red?
It doesn't make sense???
