Rematch against a cheater...

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  1. stoo

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    Help, I'm steppin' into the twilight zone....
    I played a match last week in our club singles league against a gentleman who was quite a few years my senior and at slightly less my skill level. It was just the way the draw worked out due to a lack of attendance for that night. I won the first set 6-1 playing less than 100% and trying to make it a competitive match. During the second set at 2-0, he starts to call balls that were clearly in, out. I thought it was just a few bad calls at first, but then it became almost a habit for him. I never questioned any of his calls and instead decided to just put the foot down on his throat and lay a beat down on him for the rest of the second set. It ended up 6-3. After the match on my way home, I wondered to myself if I had handled it the correct way.

    Well, I just got the draw sheet for this Monday's matches and I've drawn the same gentleman once again. Now, my first instinct is to lay out the body bag for him beside the court right from the get go, go hard on every point and teach him a lesson for last week, or just try to make it a competitive match and risk him doing it again.

    I'm curious to see if anyone else has been in a similar situation and what you did, or if you could offer any advice on what I should do.

    Thanks in advance.
     
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  2. nickarnold2000

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    Get someone impartial to umpire.
     
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  3. Shaochieh

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    I believe you should just play your game and no make it competitive. I rather lose with honor than someone toy with me in a match. At least I know where my tennis game stands.
     
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  4. josofo

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    i wouldn't feel i needed to make it competative at all. just play ur game
     
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  5. TennisLovaLova

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    You should read agassi's book:
    Same thing happened to him
    He played jeff "cheater" tarrango at his club when he was a kid and then once again on atp tour and destroyed him.
    Vengeance is a best serve cold.

    http://www.dailyspeculations.com/wordpress/?p=4106
     
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  6. Sakkijarvi

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    You might just be in the wrong level of league. Every club has these coots, at least all of them I've played at. They are usually found in the 3.0 to 3.5+ leagues in my experience.
     
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  7. North

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    Beat him as resoundingly as possible. If he seems at all disgruntled after the match at being crushed, then tell him why. But only do it if you are 100% positive he was cheating and not just a garden-variety terrible line caller.
     
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  8. Fedace

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    Yes, i had a older guy do the same. but he would blatantly cheat on the score itself. like calling it 40-15 when it is 30-30. and Game when it is really 40-30. Older guys when they start to lose it they get desperate. and they hate to lose to younger guys.
     
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  9. Govnor

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    seems like you will win whatever he decides to do. I would just play your game and if he starts with the same bs, wait for big points and do it to him.
     
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  10. BMC9670

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    Why would you not play the best you can? If you have to play down to "make it competitive", then one of you is in the wrong flight. Personally, if I suspect cheating, I go for a little extra margin and do the best I can.
     
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    hit down the middle of the court then, and wait for him to make an error, then he can't cheat.
     
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  12. stoo

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    Help, I'm steppin' into the twilight zone....
    Thanks for the advice all.

    I'll just play my normal game tonight and try to make him make all the mistakes.
     
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  13. Coach Carter

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    Yes, this is exactly how I would have handled it. After a couple bad calls, I would start moving him around with heavy spin with plenty of leeway so he couldn't really make a bad call (trying to kill him...literally). I would put my foot down...thru his throat...but I'd be sweet as pie to him like I didn't realize there was an issue.
     
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  14. GlennK

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    So how did the match go, Stoo? I'm curious if he was making bad calls again.
     
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  15. stoo

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    Help, I'm steppin' into the twilight zone....
    After all that advice and discussion, mother friggin' nature washed us out and the rain cancelled it before we even got to the courts. :oops:

    Regardless, I'll know what to do next time we play.
     
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  16. EKnee08

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    I just saw this thread. One point everyone was missing. Why would you have to play him 2 weeks in a row. If you blew the guy out last week, why would you have to play him again the following week?
    The idea of a singles league is to play against a variety of opponents.

    Also, if he was hooking you really bad, you should have told the league coordinator: 1. you don't want to have to play the same guy 2 weeks in a row; 2.It was not challenging and 3. He was cheating.

    BTw, is this a very serious league?

    If you can destroy him with ease, why not work on certain aspects of your game and look at it as practice, as long as you win.

    I hada similar experience against a much weaker and older opponent and worked on certain aspects of my game I don't usually incorporate in matches.

    BTW, a wise coach used to tell me against weaker opponents I had no chance of losing to , if I wanted to get the most out of a practice match, I should hope that they getthe ball back (not miss) and hit to their strengths to be able to work on my game.
     
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  17. EKnee08

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    It could just be bad memory due to age or lack of focus . Did he call out the score after every point?


    What do you consider to be an older guy. Its all relative. I'm 50 and against my younger self and some regular partners, I am an old guy. Against 60 year old previous 5.0-5.5s with knee replacements who I sometimes play doubles with , I'm the young guy.


    I don't hate to lose to younger guys. We do get frustrated with ourselves if we can't do what we used to due to age. However, I understand my limitations and accept them. Thats why rankings, etc. are by age groups.
     
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  18. EKnee08

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    Yes, bad line caller is even more possible if older and eye sight and coordination not as good as used to be.
     
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  19. MethodTennis

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    I hate when people don't go 100% against me (in a competition). Its like being told youre not even worthy of them playing the big shots or worthy of their effort. If im hitting with someone who is leaps and bounds better than me though I don't mind if they take some pace off.

    Find someone that challenges you more also for this match - SMOKE 'EM
     
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  20. psYcon

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    OP If I were you I would make it my goal to win 6-0 , 6-0. There's nothing more frustrating for the opponent than to get that single game to maintain some self-respect.

    You mentioned he's older... Chase each and every ball down and push it back to him. Let him make all the unforced errors and pull out his hair in anguish. Will serve him right for being the cheat that he was.
     
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  21. Sherlock

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    One suggestion I've heard that would be interesting to try and funny to see it work, would be on the next point to call out the score as if you had won the point. Don't even argue about the line call, just pretend he didn't even make it.

    Say it's 15-15 and he made the bad call, then you say, quite loudly "30-15" before your next serve, while exaggerating eye contact with him. If he gets upset about it, say something nonchalant like, "Oh, well it was 15-15 and I just hit that winner, so now it's 30-15".

    It might not turn out well, but it would be fun to try sometime :)
     
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  22. willshot

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    i would just dropshot and lob on every single point. that would drive him crazy. oh yea... and you have to laugh after each point so he can hear u.
     
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  23. teAlexis

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    I had to play a known cheater in the second round of a club tournament. It's not fun. But I would suggest having someone watch your match. This might put pressure on him/her to stop cheating. It's just no fun.
     
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  24. Torres

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    I don't see why there's any need to change the way the OP plays. If he's already winning 1 and 3 without even trying particularly hard, then there's a massive gulf in abilities between them.

    Just go out there and play your normal game.

    I played a doouche like this just a couple of months ago, who called practically every serve I hit on the line, 'long'.

    As for making an issue of it before or during the game, it depends on whether you think this is going to disrupt your or his game more. If I get slightly annoyed, I become more focused. If I get too angry, I find that it disrupts my own game. If you think you're the type that can make a point about it without any of the possible consequences disrupting your rhythm, then call him on it when it happens.

    Personally, if I had so much of a game advantage over him, I would tell him afterwards that made a number of bad calls, 'you do realise the edges of the lines are in?' etc.
     
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  25. CDestroyer

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    Sorry I thought you meant you were a pro playing Nadal again.
     
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  26. roman40

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    I don't get why you're even playing with him, if you don't enjoy it, the difference between your skill levels is obviously huge.

    If you HAVE to play him for some reason, let him know each time he makes a bad call. If it's more than a few times, or very obvious, talk to him and let him know that if he's not interested in playing an honest and friendly game, you'll stop the match and bring up this issue with league organizers.

    It's always best to try to politely talk it out, perhaps he's just not seeing well. If that doesn't work, then the best solution is to try to avoid playing him. You might be able to get an exemption from the league, it's in their interest to avoid these type of conflicts anyway.
     
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