Repost of FEDERER'S REAL TOTAL CUSTOM RACKET

Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by THE ANIMAL, Jan 21, 2005.

  1. THE ANIMAL

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    Here are the Facts on Feds stick that were posted by someone who had one of them given to him with a pic of the Racket.

    It is not a stock 90 size. The head size is larger than a 6.0 85 but smaller than the stock Tour 90/Ncode 90. (held it up next to one of each) I measured the beam width. It is 16.5 mm thick (same as the old china PS85 he used to use makes total sense there). Thinner than the stock tour 90/Ncode 90 which is 17.5mm. Balance is even (has lead under the grommet strip all in the top of the hoop. His grip size is small...feels between 1/4 and 3/8, though the but cap says 3/8. The racquet only weighed in at 357g. Swingweight was in the 350-360 range.

    Some other observations look v closely at the custom string pattern Feds sweet spot area i.e. where he hits most of the time is slightly higher then the middle and if you notice they have moved the concentrated pattern as all rackets have in the sweet spot area up to his area. Also No of mains and crosses and then take a close look as other people have observed the handle area is like the PS 6.0/85 Original.


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    So basically it is a total custom PS 88 mix with a modern shaped throat area of a Tour90/Ncode90, and ps85 handle. The only thing we don’t no is the internal construction of the racket but as he grew up with the ps85 china id guess its v similar.
     
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  2. raftermania

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    Don't shoot the messenger, let's kiss him!

    What kind of strings were in it?
     
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  3. crosscourt

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    Looking at the racket that he used against Santoro, it seemed rounder than the Tour/NCode 90, but that could just be the thousands of miles between London and Melbourne getting in the way of my view.
     
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  4. motownFILy

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    dude...sweet...
     
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  5. Aykhan Mammadov

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    What is the benefit for manufacturers not to produce the same racquets Pros use for wide public? Or specifications of each Pro racquet must be keeped as secret?
     
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  6. alan-n

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    Its because the pros racquet and balance wouldn't suit even an advanced player. His racquet is optimized for his swings.

    We simply don't need to additional weight and balance to handle the pace of the pro game. Most of us don't have the muscle development and surely couldn't handle swinging that racquet for a couple of sets, much less a whole day like they can.
     
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  7. foetz

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    you own the club?
    nice analyzing job but i would say 'play it!!!!!!!!!!!'.
    ...and tell us, of course ;-)
     
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  8. christo

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    NG mains, BB Original crosses?
     
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  9. Astennix

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    great post!! but....357 grams is strung or unstrung?
     
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  10. THE ANIMAL

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    357 grams strung
     
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  11. Alex

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    Hi ANIMAL...awesome post!

    I have a question for you on Federer's racquet.

    We all know that he use the Wilson Pro Tour "white" grip, as overgrip.

    But what i want to know is,
    What kind of replacement grip is he using? Is it leather?
    Does his grip feel hard or soft when squeeze?

    I've a feeling that he used those cushioned replacement grip (not leather) for dampening shock. Pls check for me.

    Thanks..
     
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  12. Pistol Pete

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    Roger uses leather...sorry to break it to you.
     
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  13. Aykhan Mammadov

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    Alan-n, what you wrote is the first thing coming to our mind, but I don't think you are right.

    In the first, this thread started from Fed's racq specifications, he is playing with 357 g, I play with 360 g strung weight Pro Staff Tour 90, balance is 9 point. The heavier the racquet, more headlight is racquet IT IS BETTER for our elbow, and it is better for advanced amateurs.

    So I can't tell that PROS racquets have some very special weight or balance or other parameters what essentially differ them from doezns of those which are available in shops. If they were for example 450 g while our is around 340-360 I could tell that this very heavy. In the second, even if to suppose that they have something special, why not to produce them in small quantities for very advanced players ? I think you agree that there are some racquets in the sale not suitable for 60% of amateurs, why not to add to some very hard models a few that Pros use ?
     
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  14. foetz

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    yeah, a small amount of 'no-mercy' clubs would be great but i think it wouldn't pay (companies view).
     
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  15. kv581

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    I am assuming that pros have different preferred specs even if they supposedly use the same model. To produce these custom racquets would mean either to 1) single out certain players only and produce their racquets or 2) make VERY many slightly different frames (eg. Sampras' PS 6.0, Courier's PS 6.0, Edberg's PS 6.0..., etc.).

    Choice 2 is obviously not economically profitable when they cannot mass produce these racquet. Plus the demand on these racquets will not be high enough to justify their more costly production.

    Choice 1 seems possible, but which pros? Top10? Most popular? Past Grand Slam winners? Either way someone is gonna get left out and his/her fans won't be happy about it.

    I think there are way too many choices out there today for amateurs to not be able to find a suitable racquet. And if you are not totally satisfied with a racquet's weight/balance, there's always lead tape.
     
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  16. foetz

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    we thought of a small hardliner model range.
    definitely nothing for amateurs.
     
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  17. PurePrestige

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    I honestly don't know but looking at these specs. I'm really not sure if I can believe that it's Even Balance, maybe they measured the balance wrong. With Sampras you take a look at the weight and balance of his racquet which weighs more than Fed's but its still about 5 points headlight. The racquet he was using would still swing like an even balance racquet and it showed. You could tell by the way Sampras swung his racquet the amount of effort needed to swing it. Looking at Federer and the way he flails his racquet, not necessarily his racquet head speed in general but just the amount of time he takes to prepare etc. really doesnt seem likely that it's even balanced.
     
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  18. Aykhan Mammadov

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    KV581, I don't think your assertion is right. I'm not telling about offering Wilson for example to continue production of every racquet and at the same time their slight Sampras modification, Federer modification and etc.

    What I suggest is to produce from the scratch just modified already by PROs versions calling just them PS 6.0 85 or n-Code 6-1 90 and etc. I'm sure that these modifications are slight, and what is the reason to keep in production those versions which are slightly modified by PROs after?

    There was another hypothesis by alan-n ( read in this thread) that Pros racquets so deeply differ from those in production that they can't suit amateurs. But observations prove that they don't essentially differ from originals by weight, balance and etc., I mean Pros don't use 450 g racquets, don't use 20 point balances and etc., they are normal people.
     
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  19. Marius_Hancu

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    is this the racket currently used by Federer, i.e. painted to look as an n-code? or is it the racket of 1 year ago?

    and indeed, the big question is the internal structure ...
     
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  20. PurePrestige

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    As it's been mentioned before, there are pro's who have their own special ways of doing things. But these are more likely the exception rather than the rule. Like Sampras and the weight/balance of his racquet was pretty crazy even to other pro's, it was said he used a racquet few other pro's could even get around to hit the ball. Federer is probably a similar case seeing as he is being thrust into the light as he is.

    My question, is if you think that pro's have such tremendously different racquets when does their shift occur? They all begin as junior players and use a stock racquet, from their i'd assume most pro's will tweak that frame with some lead. Adding to the head of the racquet or both head and handle so that their frame is more capable of dealing with the added pace that comes with higher levels of tennis.

    When would they decide that they needed something like a PS 85 except Even balanced? I don't think most people would require something extremely specialized but rather they enjoy the feel of a stock frame, and over time they have added a little lead each time, till they have a relatively heavier frame but they wouldn't notice this because their timing slowly adjusts with the slow process of weighting the racquet.
     
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  21. Alex

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    Thanks for the info ... Pistol Pete..
     
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  22. danniflava

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    Is there a place that you can go to get customized racquets?
     
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  23. foetz

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    do it yourself ;-)
     
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  25. Steve Huff

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    PP, Sampras' racket could still be headlight, even with all that lead tape around the head, because it was a lot heavier than Fed's racket. For a while, Sampras was close to using a 16oz racket. 16 OZ for pete's sake (sorry about that). He must have had some serious lead in the handle of his frame, even though he never made the switch to the "one-pound" racket. He still carried quite a log.
     
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  26. Jonnyf

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    I'm sorry but i see one minor thing missing (and i am'nt getting this from tw as i have seen a close up of federers racquet at wimbledon 2004) and that racquet is missing the elasto cross string savers did he only recently start using them. also i believe that the shiny string is BB alu rough but im not sure as i had the BB alu and it was no where near as shiny kind of a dull grey
     
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  27. RonP

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    If the racquet is only 357 grams and has lead tape all around the top of the hoop? What would be the original weight of the racquet? How would a 350-360 swingweight range compare to the regular Wilson ProStaff Tour 90's swinweight of 332?
     
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  28. zorg

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    animal, where did you get this racket man?
     
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  29. Stuck

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    That is a sweet pick up. All of you who think you know what you are talking about in regards to Feds stick need to reed this post.
     
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  30. RacquetDoctor

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    Animal does not have the racquet. That is a picture taken of the racquet Federer used to win his first year end Masters Cup. I know, because I took the picture of the stick. Do a search on the forum...


    It was given to the owner of PCS...
     
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  31. fedex27

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    note the roger federer on the side next to the TOUR
     
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  32. darkhorse

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    For the people who don't think that racquet makers would build custom racquets for all of their pros, I'm willing to bet that they do. Since they are likely only minor changes, it wouldn't take that much to give a player 20 or so frames a year that are custom that player. If Easton can make custom hockey sticks for about 250+ NHL players (who go through about 20 sticks a week), I'm sure Wilson can supply Federer with custom frames.
     
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  33. thejackal

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    Amen to Darkhorse. Hockey players get everything custom: weight, stiffness, curve, etc. The molds are expensive though, $10 000 for each.
     
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  34. zorg

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    Is that ten thousand, because if it is(you forgot the camma), THATS INSANE!!!
     
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  35. hummer23

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    yes thats quite right, 10,000 is the number ive heard as well. thats just the initial investment however, subsequent frames are less expensive. they really are custom however, they can flex so much that if the player just leans on it, it will distort in order to snap back for more power.
     
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  36. Prince_of_Tennis

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    So can finally put roger federes racket to rest...
     
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  37. federer_nadal

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    what about where is says roger federer next to the tour sign
     
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  38. Prince_of_Tennis

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    to show it was an autographed piece...
     
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  39. federer_nadal

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    it is a used racquet isnt it? if so it just proves that he is using a cusom racquet
     
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  40. gregraven

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    With the possible exception of the Wilson Profile, the racquet doesn't have time to "snap back" after impact with the ball. And because it takes energy to flex the racquet back, this energy is taken out of the equation, making a flexible racquet less powerful than a stiff racquet.
     
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  41. zorg

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    He was talking about Hockey players sticks, not tennis player. I can see how that got a bit confusing though.
     
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  42. gregraven

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    I didn't get that from his message. When he wrote, "subsequent frames are less expensive," I asssumed he was discussing tennis frames, as I was unaware that hockey players use frames.
     
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  43. mctennis

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    There are a very small percentage (1%) that would be able to effectively use the pro racquets. I know I see a lot of folks asking for the pros racquet specs. Nice to know I guess but for what reason I have no idea except just that, to know. There is a trend to go lighter and lighter in racquet weight. I know there are some of the racquet companies making SOME heavier racquets but the vast majority of them are light as compared to true players racquets. Even if you had their racquet could you REALLY play with it. Most of the folks here are 3-3.5 players and not that I'm bashing these folks but it's like being given a racecar and driving it on a normal road.
     
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  44. Lambsscroll

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    This guy didnt find Feds racquet evenly balanced.

    In 2002 wilson have made for federer p/s 6.0 (especially for me - said federer) the size 90 instead of 85 (p/s original) which he played earlier.

    wilson has painted over this model in red color like p/s 6.1 as they advertised 6.1 at that time. Inside throat there was the autograph federer. serially a model sold in only 95 sq.in.

    present raquet federer, which has appeared in 2003, "p/s tour" black with yellow - 90 sq.in. 355g, 310mm (unstrung), si. 6.0, 16x18. on feel - like 85.

    basic distinction - square.

    my respect...............


    You can find this at

    grand slam stringers.com
     
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  45. Lambsscroll

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    My bad. He doesnt have the balance listed. I thought the 310mm was the balance but its just what the racquet weighs unstrung.
     
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  46. efice32

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    he said it's even balance w/ lead tape under the grommet strip at the top, and I (along w/ most of you here) am fairly confident in the fact that Roger's still using this racket, but it's painted like the nCode PS Tour 90. Agree?
     
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  47. Lambsscroll

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    Jays Custom Stringing in NY often replace handles for pros so I can see how you can have a evenly balanced racquet and still have a racquet weighing less than 12.5 ounces.
     
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  48. fedex27

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    same weight as the ps 85
     
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  49. fedex27

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    if you take a ps 85 and add tons of lead to the top (20 grams ish) and take off the leather grip and replace it will 2 overgrips you will have an even balanced 357 gram ps85. i did it and am trying it out today to see how it feel

    i hit with this thing today and it was incrediblle. i did it by puting strips of leadd on in the hooop u nder the bumper and then putting it on a balance board. once i got it to 2 points head light i strung it and it cam out even. its here to stay
     
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  50. Lambsscroll

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    Im just wondering if Fed likes a even balanced racquet (strung and with overgrip). I keep hearing conflicting reports. Some say hes using an even balanced racquet and others who have held his racquet say no its not even close to even balanced.
     
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