Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by THE ANIMAL, Jan 21, 2005.
When you say "he said it's even balance" do you mean Fed or the guy with his racquet?
They're definately Alu crosses.
What's under the grommets
Sorry if this is a stupid question, But I'm a neophyte
What are those under the bottom grommets?
^power pads i believe?
Yep, that is true
They're leather power pads. All wood racquets used to have them before grommet strips were invented for graphite racquets.
wrong post place sry
What are power pads?
They're just leather strips put there; some say that it provides a bit of a dampening feel, but I believe it was generally used back in the day so the string wouldn't cut so much into the frame at such harsh angles.
federer probably liked the feel of the leather grommets, so he probably simple asked wilson to put it on the ncode 6-1. a minor modification, dont jump the gun and accuse him of s paint job. ive been saying this in almost every post. people, stop being fooled by pictures, theyre not as clear as you think they are. dont get caught up in to thinking the players use paint jobs, they only modify the racquet that is available to the public. ex: rafa nadal adds grams to his frame- 15 to the head, and 5 in the handle.
You are naive......
Credit Babolat, most of their players use off the shelf racquets.
much ado about nothing
These images seem to confirm the original poster's info (THE ANIMAL).
nsix-one vs Federer Measurements
What's this credit Babolat nonsense. They are a widebody power racquet that need to be tamed by putting low power Luxilon strings in them. They are also heavily customised by the pros that use them. Fact.
I believe something is wrong with the scale of the image that you provide. Measuring my off-the-shelf nCode Tour 90, the distance from the bottom of the cap to the top of the handle area is slightly under 9.5 inches. In addition, the distance from the throat to the top of the racquet is slight under 13.5 inches.
Off the shelf babolat... That's because babolat never had a classic players racket.
I agree with you.
For the amateors the tennis makers has many other models in stock, so let us choose and buy the real pro's racquets!
We pay for them but all we get is fake racquet paintjobbed that none of the pro's wil never use.
The next tennis generation players will play worse because they can't buy pro's stock but only squallid imitation.
Or one time that one player rise it's rank he can get at the top secret pro's racquet?
It would seem you have one of Federer's rackets then LoL.
I just used a 10 pixel grid to measure the rackets more precisely. The remaining "V" section on the nsix-one 90 is 102 pixels = 4.17 inches. Adding all three measurements (4.17 + 9.16 + 13.66 = 26.99 inches)
The main point is that the racket Federer is holding has a longer length from Cap to the same point on the bottom of the "V" space.
Oh come on!! They don't sell the pros' actual racquets because most of us would play worse with those racquets than with the racquets that they do sell to the public. The manufacturers know that and that's why they sell to the public a different version. As a result, the retail nSix-One Tour is a bestseller because people like the racquet and can actually play with it. If Wilson sold Federer's actual racquet, nobody would buy it because no one other than Federer would be able to play with it. Wilson would then lose a lot of money, instead of making lots of money with the retail version. Yes, there's only one person in the world that can handle Federer's actual racquet and his name is: Roger Federer.
So the next generation of players will play BETTER because they use the retail versions of those racquets and not the actual pros' versions. If they had used the pros' actual versions while learning the game, most of them would never improve and will play worse. Most will then get frustrated and give up tennis altogether and play soccer instead. So it's a good thing that youngsters can't get their hands on the pros' racquets or else there would be no next generation of tennis players because they would all give it up.
BTW, a few years back, Spalding did introduce a line of pro spec tennis racquets that were designed by real ATP pros. They were very heavy and unforgiving since the specs were pretty much what real pros actually use on the tour. Guess what? Hardly anyone bought them and they didn't last on the market very long (maybe a year?). Not many non-pros could handle using those racquets and all the kids went out and bought Babolat Pure Drives instead. Spalding lost a lot of money and subsequently stopped making tennis racquets. So be careful of what you wish for.
So the greatest tennis player uses an even balanced racket. I was told all pro's use head light rackets, guess we can dismiss that theory.
That's what the manufacturers tell themselves to go to sleep at night, but most people who would buy a straight up replica will have a full swing and athletic physique. To say that they would play worse with Fed's racket is a huge assumption.
Impossible to see the future is. The paintjobs and swarms of babolats cloud everything.
Lol. You can't be serious. First of all, Spalding? Talk about taking a leap of faith buying a fringe manufacturer racket. Second of all, a racket "designed by ATP pros" doesn't carry an ounce of credibility compared to a statement like: Wilson website-- Roger Federer -- nSix-One Tour Racket. And the latter is even fraudulent advertising! The pinnacle of credibility is a statement like "Roger Federer used the exact same nSix-One Tour 90 racket available at TennisWarehouse (product ID XXX) and other fine retailers exclusively throughout the 2005 US OPEN . The only modifications to his racket were adding X grams of lead weight here and here."
I'm pretty sure the Prostaff 6.0 85 sold just fine during Sampras' reign and he used it.
You know friends everything is a big secret,you know no one will guess with
what kind of rackuet plays ROGER this is a big secret like in the strings this is a BIG bissnes
SAMPRAS, this is the racquet Federer plays with...
If you could play tremendous tennis with Federer's exact racquet then you'd be in the semis of the US Open. How far did you get at the Open last year?
You must be under 30 years old. Spalding used to be one of the biggest manufacturers of tennis racquets in the world. Almost everyone owned a Spalding Pancho Gonzales model at some point in their lives. The Spalding ATP spec racquets didn't sell because they weighed over 13.5 oz. and had swingweights over 350. Nobody but pros and gorillas could swing them for more than 15 minutes. Mere mortals would have a hard time generating any racquet head speed or being able to maneuver the racquet to hit the sweetspot consistently.
Yes, that's because an off-the-shelf PS 6.0 85 and the one Sampras used were completely different. Sampras had his heavily customized to weigh 14 oz., and with a near even balance. He also had a custom handle. The off-the-shelf model is 12.6 oz. and very headlight (8 pts.) so it swings significantly easier. If you tried to hit serves with Sampras' exact racquet, your arm would come out of its socket.
BTW, the nSix-One Tour also sells just fine due to Federer's reign just like the PS 6.0 85 sold well during Sampras reign. What they use and what's sold in the stores are not the same. That's the point. If they were indeed the same, they wouldn't sell nearly as well because very, very few people would be able to use them.
I think you've pretty much summed up why a lot of racket manufacturer's don't sell the same racket that a pro uses. Most of the pros on tour are extremely fit and are able to wield rackets weighing 12/13/14 oz. The casual/recreational player would kill themselves with a racket weighing that much. Case and point is Serena's racket...it's 9.7 oz STRUNG. Do you honestly believe that Serena is able to control a racket weighing under 10 oz? Probably not, which is why she probably adds some weight to it. The biggest market for Serena's racket is the 30/40 and older women who are looking to add some pop to their game...would any of these 30/40 year old women use a racket that weighs 12 or 13 oz?
So, Breakpoint, right on with your observation!
Yeah, Serena and the N3 is the best example of that.
You know, not too long ago, women and child played with 13+ oz 65sq in wooden racquets.
On another note, does fed really use even balanced? I thought for sure he would have like 12 points head-light? That must bring the swingweight up like crap.
Yes I know, I grew up playing with wood racquets. But, guess what? Wood racquets don't sell very well anymore either, do they?
If Federer indeed played with a 14 oz., 65 sq. in. wood racquet and Wilson released that to the public, do you think people would buy it and play with it? Probably not, since they would get clobbered by their competiton using Pure Drives. Do you see my point?
Yes, I understand completely - its not like i use wood - but I was just trying to show that a 13.5oz racquet wouldn't be quite as impossible to deal with as you were saying.
I think one of the things that many people here are probably missing is the fact that if any of you get to a professional level your sponsors would want you to have the best game possible, yes?
Hence, your sponsors will be willing to make your racquet entirely customizable so that you get to the top of your game, but also bring them good publicity and sales for the very brand of racquet they are making for you!
So therefore, the public gets the standardized racquets so the average player enjoys using a similar racquet, and you (the pro) get a racquet made for your game only!
Perhaps for 0.001% of the tennis playing public, which is not big enough of a market for the racquet manufacturers to bother with.
BTW, try using a 13.5oz.+ racquet with a swingweight of 350-360 against an opponent using a Pure Drive and pounding groundstrokes at 80mph+ and serves at 120mph+ for 3 hours and you'll see what a difficult task that would be.
Yes ok i understand but they don't sell it in shops yam so this is disapointed
Yes, I know this posting at grand slam stringers.com.
And a balance at 310mm from the buttcap (unstrung) is more believable to me that the BALANCED (strung) stuff posted in the first posting in this thread.
BTW, Sampras was 389-393g, 323-325mm (strung). That's a much heavier racket, about 4points HL, but not balanced.
At the same forum, here's a more recent story version by someone else:
Grand Slam Stringers / Racquets / Re: R.Federers raquet
on: May 18th, 2005, 4:10pm
Started by Luxxxilon | Post by gregraven
I got one of Federer's racquets last year, and compared it to a retail
nSix-One Tour 90. They looked and measured (on an RDC machine)
virtually the same (mass, balance, flex, swingweight, etc.). The only
difference I could see was that the spacing of the crosses was greater
in the center of the racquet on Federer's frame, but then, he's got
the talent to control the extra power from wider-spaced strings. I
think the average consumer, who is interested in a similar frame, will
be happier with the additional control of the retail version.
I didn't hit with it, because the USRSA got it from Wilson for the
Kid's Day at the U.S. Open. I didn't have time between when USRSA
received it and when it left for New York to hit with it, and after it
came back, it went into a box for next year. I'd already hit with the
retail version (and enjoyed it), and with the Federer racquet having
generic Wilson strings in it, I didn't see the point.
Greg Raven, MRT
I don't see a confirmation here on the "balanced" idea.
was fed's ps 85 leaded before?
I have 2 tour 90's. I like them alot. I am a very strong 4.5 doubles player. I am competetive with 5.0 and 5.5 players in dubs. I have a two handed back hand and I am not good enough to return big serves aggressively on the bh side against big servers, especially in dubs! The stick is too heavy or not mobile enough and I fram bh returns....I feel like I can't get the club around in time to nail the 2hander. I need to use my babolat pc for more confidence on this swing. I don't have the same touch, but I have more power. I don't understand how so many of you can use the 90. I'm going to get the ncode 90 for fun. But if I want to win I have to use my babolat.
If you want to return big serves aggressively with your back hand stand closer and use the pace of the serve just stroke at the ball in a controlling smooth directional stroke without a big take back. Practice this allot and it will certainly help with your returns and the problem your having of not being able to get the club around.
Lendl Lives - Just get the ncode 95 6.1 - much easier to get around on..
About the Spaldings, BreakPoint, they were heavy but...I had a 300 model, I think it was. Used it like a weight training device on court. It was about 13 ounces, maybe slightly more, but not 13.5. But it was very stiff as well. I guess that put some power back in but the feeling was like that of swinging a baseball bat - including the feel of contact.
animal yes. i hear this from better players all the time. but i need to be reminded constantly! lol. Blue grass, I tried the 95 its nice but a bit less feel. no?
we would all be surpirsed if we had feds real racquet in our hands
I guess that's why they didn' sell. Who wants to be swinging a baseball bat out on the court? But they were supposedly made to ATP Pros' exact specs, so I guess that's what the pros are really swinging - i.e., baseball bats, a la Jim Courier. But that proves my point that most people don't really want to nor can they really handle using a real pro's racquet in a real match. Maybe for weight training but not for match play.
My first encounter with paintjobs was when I went to the Cincinnati tournament and watched Stefan Edberg practice with Anders Jarryd back in '91 or '92. I looked at his bag and there was a bunch of PS 85s done up with the PS Classic 6.1 graphics to promote the upcoming new frame. At least those sticks weren't physically similar to the 6.1 Classic.
Racket companies make frames to target the peak of the bell curve of their target demographic. Pros can lie pretty far out of the curves.
Perhaps the problem some people have with Federer's custom racket is that it's not available. Even though it may be a bit deceptive given the cosmetics. At least with Sampras' rackets, someone can come close to what he plays with by adding those (trademark dare I say) long strips of lead tape at 3 & 9 o'clock on a stock PS 85. Federer never added lead tape there when he used the Chinese version.
With Federer's subsequent "Tour 90s" and "Ncodes", the changes are more subtle. Hence the photoanalysis done by some TW board members.
For me, I've tried to find frames that I like and I mod them to suit me (or so I think). I like that you can get a particular frame and tweek it to your liking.
In the end, you can check specs and whatnot, demo to your heart's desire, but I tend to agree with Breakpoint's quote from his signature.
why are this threads so popular let the pros use what ever they want!
People are always interested in what the top players/popular ones are using. Maybe get some of that mojo.
If you think paintjob rackets are interesting, you should get into electric guitars! People still talk about what Jimi Hendrix was using at Woodstock.
Also, it can be a bit of a game. Always asking, "is it, or isn't it?"
I remember a story Tennis magazine did back around 1990 when Agassi switched from the POG to the Donnay Pro 1. Had dated photos of Agassi with POG, black painted POG with Donnay logo on strings, and then with Donay Pro 1.
You know friends yestarday i saw a great wilson nSix-One tour rackuet
which was to an Bulgarian ATP tennis player a special model made for him with somje diferenses for example heavier and at the top the rackuet is with red shock not with a black one and i think because is heavier the balance is not the same like the other one
P.S i will try to photo this rackuet and to show it to you to tell me what do you think
so if i undestand is this the real rackquet like the FEDERER one
It not the same but it's the closest. It's very demanding so demo before buying to see if you can play with it.
If you saw a Wilson nSix-One Tour with a red bumper guard instead of a black one, that just means that it's a demo racquet. Wilson used to mark their demo racquets by putting a red bumper guard on them, but they are identical to the regular racquets for sale with the black bumper guards, i.e., same exact specs. Just a cosmetic difference in the color of the bumper guard, otherwise the same.
But the weight is differernt and balance too!
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