Discussion in 'Racquets' started by vsbabolat, Jan 17, 2012.
The Pro Tour 630 has a better feel and is more muted less vibration.
I have couple YTK Prestige Mid, which one you can get more spin ( IG PRESTIGE MID)
Spin I thought was the same. However the feel is so much more satisfying with the IG Prestige Mid. It's like home.
better sweet spot?
It sounds like they are better racquets for feel but the same for performance. I don't think that the feel of the YT is bad because that's what I am used but I think that I will casually keep my eye out for IGPMPs similar to what I have now.
Got to hit with these two tonight, albeit briefly. These Prestiges are legit. Silkier in feel than the YT versions and from what I remember, bigger sweet spot. As for the MP version, it felt to me like it thumped the ball a bit more heavily than the YT version. And the Mid... oh boy, the Mid is sweet. I used to play with the YT Mid. This IG is pure butter, felt easier to get around, sweet spot was delicious. Head did well with this update.
The IG Prestige Mid is something special. It feels like the OG HEAD racquet back in the day. The MP is not quite there but way better than the YT.
Agree. Didn't play a ton with the MP, but it did immediately feel better than what I recall of the YT. (and noticeably heavier through the ball, which surprised me).. The Mid, though, was on another level. Stellar frame.
If the mid is even slightly better in feel than the YT version, OMG, that would be awesome...
Gads, any sense between the two which have more plow/power for put-aways and on serves, at least with your brief hits? I've always played more with MP-sized frames (Donnay Plat 99, EXO Tour 100, BB London, most recently), but am intrigued by what I'm hearing about the Mid. I use a 1HBH, play an all court game, and generally hit flattish-driving balls, and thinking that the Mid might be worth a try; just jittery about the smaller head size.
Definitely the mid, but the plow/putaway capability of the MP I think has improved from the last version. It just comes through the ball more than the last one, which was always a little light on the ball. Again, though, this from about 10-15 minutes of groundie points with the MP.
By comparison I played four service games with the Mid and was pummeling the ball. Effortless depth on rally balls/defensive shots and the frame shot some serious laser winners when I went after it. I won all four games and was up 40-0 when I felt a tweak in my oblique (just from overplaying in the cold recently; nothing to do with frame) and so I ended my serving for the day.
Will try to hit some more with the frame before my buddy has to return it, but this first impression could not have been better. This one had the weight of shot that the Prestige Mid has always had, but seemed easier to get around. And the feel of the frame was, as VsBabolat said, like home. Hugely plush.
The Prestige MP is about the closest you can get right now to the old PT280/630. In sure wish Head would make a Prestige (or a new model) with that softer feel again.
Usually when I think of better feel I think the racquet is less muted rather than more. What in your mind gives it better feel? Flexibility?
Too much feedback and it can be harsh. I would say that the YTPMP is harsh without some lead at 3/9.
Good feel is no vibration AKA muted but you can also feel the ball on your strings.
is the IG MP better for tha hand than the Youtek? i had elbow problems from the Youtek MP
IG Prestige MP feels softer with less vibration. It still has a little vibration to it but nothing like the very brassy feel of the YT Prestige MP.
The IG Prestige Mid has no vibration is muted still with feedback.
I find that the babolat aero pro and pure drive seem muted but not in a good way, in a way that i can't feel where the ball is going
would you say its the best prestige mid plus since the iprestige? also are you planning on trying the prestige s, it seems like an interesting stick as the low weight would allow for a lot of customisation
What's your opinion on the differences in feel/playability between the Prestige Classic and Prestige Tour Mids
I have not hit with the Prestige Tour in 18 years but what sticks out in my mind is that the Prestige Tour felt softer and I kept breaking the Suspension Grip. I preferred the Prestige Pro/Prestige Classic.
I don't plan on trying the Prestige S. It does seem like a racquet for someone looking for a platform or someone wanting to step into the Prestige series but it is a completely new mold with shared holes.:shock:
I just wish IG Prestige MP was as muted as the i.Prestige MP or as "muted" vibration free as the IG Prestige Mid.
Maybe a little lead would take care of the remaining vibration - or did you test it at 370+ grams?
I'm at 370grams strung.
Vs: you aren't planning on trying out the Pro, are you? The sublime hit with the Mid made me vaguely wonder about it, given its static weight/swingweight are very similar and it could be more forgiving, though in the past the Pro version has always intrigued and then ultimately been my least favorite, feeling stiffer and not as controlled as the Mid or MP. Wondering if this new version would be any different.
I'm looking forward to trying the Pro the most. The stiffness and open pattern should make for some nice pop/control. I was never a midplus fan. It just feels inferior to the mid in every way to me. Let us know if you ever hit with the Pro VS.
hey vs whats ur email if u dont mind i want to ask u a few questions and get some info in having some head racquets sourced / customised or please email me novak _ tesic @ hotmail . com (no spaces)
I don't plan on hitting Pro right now. I own the Mid and the MP I was testing. I'm tempted in getting a couple of Mids. That is how much I like it.
I'm with you. I'm trying to get another hit in with the Mid tomorrow or maybe tonight. If it's in the same neighborhood as the absolutely wondrous first hit I experienced, I'll have no choice but to buy in.
Just curious, what frame do you normally play, Vs?
I normally play with the Prestige Classic 600. The IG Prestige Mid is the closest to that old HEAD feel from the 80's and 90's I have ever hit with. Why the MP can't feel the same way is a mystery to me.
Thanks for the pics, VS. YOU THE MAN Love the fact the black grommets fit,,,, thats great news. As for your impressions of the mid and mid plus, I couldn't agree more. The mid immediately felt awesome, where as I did not care you the youtek. The MP also feels much better than the youtek version. Have yet to hit with the pro.
Nice. Looking forward to your full review. Will add more here myself when I get another chance to hit with the little red wonder.
Thanks drakulie. There is a very slight buzz to the IG Prestige MP. Where the IG Prestige Mid is solid and velvety smooth.
I know that the way the mid is made makes it the stick it is. I have never found more control in any other racquet, whatever the brand and specs.
But tell me, wouldn't you want a 16x19 version of the mid? Hasn't it passed your mind at all..? :twisted:
I'll write it up tonight.
IG Prestige MP Review:
Cosmetics: The cosmetics have grown on me. I really like the asymmetrical burgundy graphite braid look with lighter red in the braid around the hoop. It reminds me of the Austrian Prestige Pro and the Prestige Pro 600. However the Silver decals are very fragile. I already getting them to come off. But the paint quality is very high and the racquet should not chip. I've never had a HEAD frame with hard paint chip. Why the decals can't be the same high quality as is what was on the Microgel does not make sense.
On Ground strokes I found the IG Prestige MP to have very nice pop with decent access to spin. It is a nice control oriented racquet with pop. I found it very stable on off center hits. It has some nice ball pocketing and a softer feel over the more recent irritations of the MP.
On Volleys I found it excellent. You have a sweet spot that goes pretty north in the string bed combined with the great stability of the racquet.
On the Serve I felt I got a little more spin on my Kick serve do to the larger head of my normal racquet and more string spacing. When I played a set I did not lose serve with it and did not double fault. My kick serves had some nice height over the net and nice high bounce.
Off the return of serve the stability and head size was a help in getting good depth. I was chipping returns and hitting returns. The first return I hit with it I ripped. The power is there if you have the skills.
Overal: I think this will be the most popular Prestige model in the line. The only thing that gives me pause is the feel. There is a very slight buzz to the string bed. It is no where near as bad as the YT which was like a tuning fork or a nice way of putting it brassy. It is a huge improvement over the YT. The IG Prestige MP a step in the write direction. If it was more muted I would switch tomorrow. I will have to think about it and hit with it some more.
Hey vs -
Thanks for the thoughtful write up. I'm sure I'm not the only one who will be thanking you for sharing your pov, which is invaluable to these boards.
Just to clarify:
1) you're playing Ball feel m's/Bab syn gut x's right - what gauge & tension please?
2)No dampener, correct?
3) 370 grams, yes? Where/how are you weighting up?
4) Did you set up the mid the same, with same specs/strings?
Thanks again! Good stuff!
It may be my problem, but I'm still not getting the buzz, tuning fork, brassy idea with regard to the review.
I know what you mean intellectually, but I've never really understood feel other than in terms of stiff/crisp versus muted/soft dichotomies.
Does not muted enough mean slightly too crisp?
1. yes 16g at 58lbs.
2. correct no dampener.
3. 370 strung.
4. Mid is same weight. Look for that review very soon.
muted and soft = like hitting with a pillow
muted and firm = like hitting with a brick wall
not muted and soft = like hitting with a noodle
not muted and firm = like hitting with a wooden bat
not muted and stiff = like hitting with a metallic bat
muted and soft = low frequency resonance, dies down quickly
brassy and stiff = higher frequency resonance, lasts longer (like tuning fork)
VS, based on the published specs, I'm assuming your adding weight somewhere on the frame. Can you elaborate? Swing weight, balance, etc...
Have you thought about or experimented with different string types/tensions to get more muted feel?
Hm it intrigues me the reason why most people in this forum prefer a 16X19 string pattern although I think its because having something in between is quite nice. What are others thoughts on this? Just interested because I have seen this since I came back online.
P.S. Sorry if this is considered off topic.
I think that 16x19 is so popular for power and spin generation while getting the nice precision of a mid.
On the brassy bit - I completely understand what vsb is talking about. If you take a pro stock YTPMP without lead in the hoop, you'll find that the sweetspot is tiny and anything off-center to be very harsh - you'll get vibration and twisting and my opinion is that it isn't very good for your arm. If you add a lot of weight, (my specs are close to vsb's), then I feel that it fixes the sweetspot issue and gets rid of the vibration and twisting problems but vsb feels that they are still there. I don't really notice it that much - perhaps I'm used to it.
I wouldn't mind giving the IGPMP a try to see what the difference is. I'm in line right now to buy a couple in pro stock form though the person in front of me could nix that.
I can't see that you get resonance unless you miss the sweetspot and the whole point of an advanced racquet is that it gives you a clear distinction between hitting and not hitting the sweetspot.
I found the previous mp to have a slight softness in the throat and to be, on the whole, toward the non-muted and stiff end, to use the above classification.
> I can't see that you get resonance unless you miss the
> sweetspot and the whole point of an advanced racquet is
> that it gives you a clear distinction between hitting and not
> hitting the sweetspot.
Well, everyone misses the sweetspot from time to time (I note that Federer had a number of shanks against Tomic a few days ago).
I personally like the YT though I can certainly understand someone not liking it for a "feel" aspect. That's the headache we get when our favorite racquet is discontinued - we have to look for something else and the something else almost always means compromise. Maybe it would be worth asking Chris about the feel aspect as he's used most or all of the Prestige line too and he's switching to the MP.
VS, appreciate the review. Have played with Prestiges for many years but have elbow issues. Would you still consider the IG Mp arm friendly. Would you give the Mid then the edge despite the ever so small difference in flex specs.(Mp 62; mid 63) Would you also consider the Ig's softer than the Microgels? I would assume so from your review.
The mid review speaks of silky smooth, plush. lively and forgiving.
They seem however to lose their adjectives somewhat when reviewing the other racquets in the line.
I wouldn't mind a plusher version of the current mp, but the metallic feel was attractive.
That's my only grumble with the YTK Prestige MP - its stiffness. The low SW and lack of mass in the upper hoope can be corrected....you can even change the pallet shape....but there's not much you can do with the stiffness.
It not so bad when you're actually playing with it - in fact I like the 'connected' feel it offers on striking the ball, but play 9 or 10 hours a week with it strung with a poly, and with half of that time as matchplay, and it starts catching up on you. The BLX 6.1 is noticeably softer in comparison with the same string setup and doesn't seem to result in the same wear on the arm.
Would you say the IG is softer / noticeably softer than the YTK and if so, would you say that it results in any 'floppiness'?
Same complaint I have about my YTKMP. If it was just a little more flexible, this would be the perfect frame for me. Does anyone know if the Microgel Prestige MP was a little more arm friendly? I have the chance to pick one up as a backup.
Played the microgel radical pro which was supposed to be on the stiff side, and the prestige mid, and both racquets felt far less stiff and metallic than yt prestiges but they do feel a little muted.
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