Review: Tecnifibre TFight 320 VO2 Max

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  1. Chicken Neck

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    I have been a Tecnifibre fan for quite a while having spent a season or three with the TFight 335. I have been using the Volkl C10 Pro for a while now having found it to be a little more arm friendly than the 335 and I have really enjoyed it. I liked the C10 so much in fact that I thought that I might not buy another type of racquet for years to come. Then along came the new TF320.
    The first thing you notice about the new 320 is how ugly and cheap looking it is. This is especially pronounced when it is placed side by side with the previous TFight series which were, IMHO, some of the best looking and most nicely finished racquets ever produced. After this less than sellar first impression I told myself that perhaps the TF would be beautiful on the inside and on that score I was not disappointed.
    Coming from the C10 the characteristics of the new TF were magnified. The TF felt incredibly crisp as opposed to the smooth and muted feel of the C10. While both racquets provide more than ample power the TF is on another level. I found serving, the one weakness of the C10 (if you could even call it a weakness), to be fantastic. Generating a powerful flat serve is effortless as is producing a heavy kicker. I find that returning with this racquet is great with depth and directional control aplenty. Similarly ground strokes are heavy with great pace, however, this racquet can be pushed around by really heavy hitters and would likely benefit from a bit of lead. At net I am a bit surpised by the touch shots that I am able to produce with this stick given its power and stiffness. I find that with this frame put away shots are a snap both at net and in the backcourt.
    One thing that I find somewhat shocking is the power of this racquet. I initially strung it up at 55 lbs. but had to jump up to 62 ibs. to tame the power. This also improved the control of the frame a good bit. Another surprise is the comfort of this racquet especially given its stiffness. I read somewhere that TF put gel in the grip to dampen vibration. If that is the case then they have been successful!
    In closing I would say that this is a fantastic racquet. Not better than the C10 just different. The difference between the two is, to me at any rate, an important one. I say this because I feared that I would, given my arm problems, never again be able to use a slightly stiffer/really crisp racquet ever again and the TF 320 has put that fear to rest. As much as I love the C10, and I do love it, the new TF320 has the type of feel that I have always loved in a comfortable user friendly package. C10s anyone?
     
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  2. zidane339

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    You are absolutely right about the power, its huge for what I thought was a low powered player's frame.I can't keep a forehand in the court!.Strung it up 53lbs BA, 57 lbs Gamma Syn Gut...what strings are you using?I'm def going up to the sixties next...
     
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  3. reesespiecestennis

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    Zidane do you think the power level of the tf320 is more than your old pdc's. I like the dunlop 200's but I can't get enough spin with them. The 320's look sweet but sour with those ugly paint jobs lol.
     
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  4. reesespiecestennis

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    the aerogel 200's 16x19 look like the 320's.
     
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  5. Chicken Neck

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    Zidane, just got a reel of Gamma Zo Tour plays great in this frame.
     
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  6. reesespiecestennis

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    chicken neck what other racquets have you used and what are the pro's and con's of this racquet compared to the others?

    Thanks.
     
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  7. furyoku_tennis

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    if anyone's hit with the tfight 325 vo2 before, how would you compare it to the c10 pro?
     
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    My 320 is strung @ 51lbs and I do not have problems with power. Interesting...
     
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  9. zidane339

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    I think the PDC has power that is inherent to it, but the power of the V02 is dependent on if you can get the mass around..so the power levels are a little different, but I think the power on my 320 is because of the strings, not the racquet itself...
     
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    Oh wow Bob, thats very low! I tend to hit flat, so the my forehands are sailing long...are you a heavy topspinner?
     
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  11. reesespiecestennis

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    cool thanks. I'm currently considering three racquets. The 16x19 200, prestige pro, and tf320. The aerogel 200 looks the best best of the higher swingweight than the prestige pro and the tf320 maybe be a bit too powerful.

    I used to like 18x20's more but now I think more spin can bring my game to another level. The prestige midplus was good but I had to hit flat to get depth and those shots weren't giving my opponent any trouble. I just need to choose and get on with it.

    Oh yeah and also is the pure drive cortex even worth considering. I liked it when I demoed but it really wasn't that great a racquet. It might be with customization but it really wasn't amazing. I just get the feeling that my racquet wasn't inferior to anything with it. Even though I was probably hitting better shots and play better with other racquets.
     
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  12. BobFL

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    My bad! I meant 53lbs and that would be in the middle since TF recommends 49-57 if I am not mistaken.

    No, I am not a heavy topspinner. Oh, btw I use Gosen OG Micro Super 17. Maybe the strings are the key here...
     
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  13. zidane339

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    Maybe...I'm def going to try to full poly, my bread and butter usually, at a high tension next...

    For some reason, I really really want this frame to work out..its great for everything except my forehand so far...backhands are crisp, serves got extra pop, I'm even successfully serving and volleying!

    I just got to dial in to the right tension and string that works for me...
     
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  14. crazyups

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    I'm using the old tf320. How does the vo2 sweet spot compare to old tf320/335?
     
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    I'm using the 16x20 by the way.
     
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  16. Chicken Neck

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    reeses, to name a few I have used the Volkl C10, the Prestige MG Pro/Mid/Midplus and FXP Mid, Yonex rds 001 Mid and Midplus/002 Tour/003/RQ iS 1 and 2, the TF335 and TF 310, Dunlop AG 500 Tour/AG300/AG200/M-fil 200 and 300, Head FXP Radical Tour, Prince O3 Red and Tour, Kblade Tour and 98, Prince O3 Rebel 95, Babolat Aero Pro Drive and Aero Storm, Fischer M Pro NT/M Comp NT and Magnetic Tour. The list goes on but these are the most common and readily available. I have not, of course, owned all of these racquets but those that I have not owned I have demoed for extended periods of time. My favorites have been the TF335, the FXP Radical Tour(both abandoned due to arm issues) and now the new 320. The main trait that all of these racquets share is a very crisp response combined with great control. These sticks also share the common virtue of good power which can be fine tuned through string tension experimentation. As I stated above I also love the C10 but if the option to use a racquet like my list of favorites above exists in a form that will not cause me arm discomfort then I have to jump on it.
     
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  17. tfm1973

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    lol. it's good to know that misery loves company.

    i recently picked up 2 of these new TFight 320 VO2 Max. they're strung up with maxim touch at 55 pounds. i used to own the previous TFight 320 (non VO2) and have played many times with the other older Tecnifibre lineup.

    these new VO2 versions are just incredibly powerful. at least with the strings and tension that i have em set up for. i've spoken with zidane339 about this and he and i have the exact same issue. on the forehand especially - i can hardly tame the power. i hit most forehands with a good amount of topspin and the ball just flies. i can't take a full swing on the forehand side. it won't stay in the court. the power also makes it tough to volley. can't keep volleys in play either. i figure volleys and forehands are the two things i don't embarass myself doing and this racquet has essentially nullified them both.

    it's kind of a shame because ALL the other things are REALLY GOOD. in fact maybe even the best i've played with. my backhand slices are just filthy nasty. loads of spin and depth and power and location. 1 handed backhands are great too because the racquet helps out so much with the pace. just line up and let fly. pretty much hit it anywhere i want with fantastic control. on serves you can hit flat bombs and it feels like the racquet easily gives you extra MPH from the same delivery. i hit twist serves mostly in matches and again this racquet is ridiculously good for hitting spin serves - kicks, sliders, twists. it's all good. easily among the spinniest sticks i've ever hit with.

    i think it really plays A LOT like an aeropro drive cortex - the spin, the power, the HUGE sweetspot.

    i've posted mine for sale but if they don't sell i'm trying new strings and tighter tension. i want to like em. i kinda like the new graphics. i love hitting backhands with it. i love the spin. just not loving the HUGE POWER level.

    also funny to note that tennis magazine recently rated these sticks and said you have to work for power. WTF?!?! do we all have a bad batch? did we secretly get switched different sticks. is mine a TFat 325 XXL H20 MAX?
     
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  18. Sup2Dresq

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    ^^^

    Wow. Next on Maury, TFM will demonstrate the racquet is not his through DNA tests.

    Bring the racquet to Thursday's clinic.
     
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  19. zidane339

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    Wow bro, I could not have said it better myself. My game and how this stick fit with it are exactly on par with you (except I'm a 2hander).I've never hit slices better with it, and I was actually chipping and charging with a lot of success.S and v ing also confidently because I'm getting a weak return with the extra spin/mph.

    I really don't want to give up on this 320 yet..currently I'm hitting with preV02s and they are so much more solid!But not quite as much spin or raw power. So if the power of the V02 can be tamed, it'll be a beast!

    I'm going with Topspin Cyberflash 17 @ 62 lbs (lockout machine so should be slightly lower) next and see how it goes.

    If you ever do string it again tighter, come back to this thread and share your experiences!
     
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  20. josephabc

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    the new 320 is how ugly and cheap looking it is?
    don't think so!
     
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  21. Chicken Neck

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    josephabc, I have a feeling that you are a young guy and I think that the current cosmetic of the TFight line is probably geared toward a younger demographic and I am most definitely in the "older" guy set. However, it's all a matter of opinion and ones man's Rosie O'Donnell is often another man's Jessica Alba.
     
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  22. zidane339

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    haha well said..I personally think it looks nice!
     
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    Chicken Neck, sorry, I'm 40s years old.The new PJ of TF VO2, IMO, may be a story express by the PJ on the frame, having not saw in any brand of the tennis racquet. so I say, it's right, personally think. Here, in China, may TF fans like the new PJ of VO2. But agree with you, i'm very like feeling of new VO2, "this is a fantastic racquet", like it's power, control.
     
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    Sorry, Chicken Neck, I'm 40s years old, maybe a young's feeling in my heart:).The new PJ of TF VO2, IMO, may be a story express by the PJ on the frame, having not saw in any brand of the tennis racquet before. so I say, it's right, personally think. Here, in China, may TF fans like the new PJ of VO2. But agree with you, i'm very like feeling of new VO2, "this is a fantastic racquet", like it's power, control.
     
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  25. Sup2Dresq

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    Zidane and chicken neck,

    Think I saw that you posted yiur racquets for sale. why the change of heart?
     
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  26. zidane339

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    SD, I have spoken with Chicken Neck as well on this matter so I can vouch for him.Its because of the lack of control from this frame unless you string poly at a high tension. Chicken Neck though, has some elbow trouble so he can't do this. Me, I just couldn't handle the power even with poly. Definitely a topspin oriented frame, so my flat game really didn't click with it. I felt somewhat disconnected at times with my shots, never knowing where they are going.

    For some reason though, the preV02 320s are working great for me, and I am exclusively using those now.
     
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  27. Chicken Neck

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    Zidane339 is right on the money. In many ways I really liked this frame as evidenced by my review. The problem is that while I was able to serve really well with it and I was able to get really good results on my forehand, I began to find that I really could not control my backhand(my best shot). It would just fly on me unless I went really tight with a poly which is dangerous for me nowadays as it gives my some pretty good elbow pain. I think it is very possible that my old style, flatish, eastern one handed backhand is as much to blame as is the frame because it seems that I simply do not generate enough spin on that wing to produce a reliable, consistent shot(with this particular frame). In fact even my slice which is normally a hard, driving shot tended to float on me. I was playing horribly. Oddly, I switch to a friends FXP Prestige MP and all was instantly well again. I think for a player with the more modern, more topspin heavy game of today this frame would be an ideal choice.
     
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  28. zidane339

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    Well said CN...bottom line, this is a modern game, western grip, extreme spin, poly strung, hard hitting baseliner's dream. You can tell the frame was built to comfortably grind it out from the baseline all day.
     
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  29. luckyguy

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    i recently got my tfights (320 VO2) from a fellow forumer TFM1973. i have played with it for almost two weeks now, strung with full cyberflash at 57 lbs.

    the first thing i noticed is the amount of topspin it generates. ive used the MG extreme pro for more than a year and i could say that the ball bounces higher with the VO2 with the same depth. my hitting partner did not notice much of a difference in power between the extreme pro and the VO2 but he was having problems because the ball was bouncing higher.

    at 57 lbs of full CF, i am not noticing too much power, in fact im kinda feeling it lacks power. maybe ill try 54 lbs next time and would string the other one with a syn gun/poly hybrid..so see which one would be better...but so far so good..
     
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  30. zidane339

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    Welcome! I tried syn gut in the mains and CF in the crosses, both at sixty lbs and I have to say the power and spin was tremendous with this setup, although the poly began sawing into the mains immediately so it's prob not very durable.
     
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    yeah that would only be the downside of having that kind of set-up. I had gosen OG/CF on an extreme pro at 56/54 and it was a beast at baseline
     
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    Yeap, agree, i tested TF-320Vo, and i can tell you is wayyyy better my old TF-320 than new ones, why ?, i dont know, VO is smaller than old 320.

    TF-320 old is great weapon, great stability, control and is old school raquet.


    Comments please.
     
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  33. zidane339

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    You are right pepe, it has that classic box beam, and a solid feel on contact. Love it!:)
     
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  34. BobFL

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    I do not understand. What is better in your opinion, old version or new version?

    For me, new is considerably better in every dep. especially bh slice and kick serve. Old felt very disconnected...
     
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  35. A_Instead

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    lucky guy
    I too once played with the extreme pro but had some wrist issues with it. Could you give a nice comparison between the extreme pro and the new 320?
    Many thanks in advance.
     
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  36. pepe01

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    To me better is old TF-320 than new version, let me tell you why.

    1.- Old version has great control but when you apply power it allows you with great results.

    2.- Due my type of game, with big swing and playing flat or with top spin ( depends on who is in front of me) this raquet allows me to change stroke with out any problem, i dont need to do any adjustment.

    3.- Slice, i play with one hand back hand, and i use top spin or flat depends on situation, but when my oponent has deep top spin stroke i use slice to get down his game, in this case old version gives to me very solid slice and again i can apply big amount of power with confidence.

    4,- On service, I like to use lot of top spin at deuce zone and more flat at adventage side, old version give to me great top spin, on flat service due its control i need to apply more power but to me is not a problem.

    New version is more power full, i need to apply more top spin and to use my flat shot i need to get short on my swing this give to me less power, more than 3 of my partners saw this difference when a switched to new version.

    Whit new version my slice got out must of time, so i changed angle of swing looking to land the ball deep but inside of court, this give to me less speed on this shot allowing to my opponent to reach easy the ball.


    Flat service is good due power but i added more top due few balls were out.

    So so many adjustment to my game with less gain, so i returned to my old T- Fight 320.

    another comment is stability wish is way better in old version ( to me of course).

    And thats great feelling of old schooll raquet when you impact that ball, that feeling gives to you a sensation that you want to keep playing all the day.

    Regards
     
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    Groundstrokes:
    Both sticks are producing massive top on both FH and backhand side. By the way, i use a SW grip. Balls with the extreme pro are landing much deeper, but the balls with the 320 VO2 are bouncing much higher and are more consistent. I could say extreme pro is the more powerful one, but it's a stiff frame, although my arm is hardy i would still feel slight pain or discomfort after hours of play, but bearable. Off center shots on the extreme pro is harsh, while on the 320 it's not. Both of them are good for baseline bashers but I'll give the edge to the VO2 due to the comfort and the ball bounce it creates.

    Serve:
    I am serving much more consistently with the VO2 but with less pace than the extreme pro. I had better slice serves with the extreme pro. Again, im giving the edge to VO2 just because of the comfort.

    Volleys:
    I am not a volleyer, i have poor technique actually but based on experience, the extreme pro is much more stable at the net, though my time with VO2 is limited to make this assessment definite.

    Overall:
    The extreme pro is a great baseliner's racquet. Power and spin are at part with the PDR but more comfortable. The VO2 is comparable in terms of power to the extreme pro but produces better hopping topspin (kinda like APD). Both area great serving racquets. But overall the VO2 is much more comfortable and easier to hit with.

     
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  38. luckyguy

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    320 VO2 vs Extreme Pro

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    Both sticks are producing massive top on both FH and backhand side. By the way, i use a SW grip. Balls with the extreme pro are landing much deeper, but the balls with the 320 VO2 are bouncing much higher and are more consistent. I could say extreme pro is the more powerful one, but it's a stiff frame, although my arm is hardy i would still feel slight pain or discomfort after hours of play, but bearable. Off center shots on the extreme pro is harsh, while on the 320 it's not. Both of them are good for baseline bashers but I'll give the edge to the VO2 due to the comfort and the ball bounce it creates.

    Serve:
    I am serving much more consistently with the VO2 but with less pace than the extreme pro. I had better slice serves with the extreme pro. Again, im giving the edge to VO2 just because of the comfort.

    Volleys:
    I am not a volleyer, i have poor technique actually but based on experience, the extreme pro is much more stable at the net, though my time with VO2 is limited to make this assessment definite.

    Overall:
    The extreme pro is a great baseliner's racquet. Power and spin are at part with the PDR but more comfortable. The VO2 is comparable in terms of power to the extreme pro but produces better hopping topspin (kinda like APD). Both area great serving racquets. But overall the VO2 is much more comfortable and easier to hit with.

     
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  39. Power Player

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    I can't wait to get my hand on this racquet. It sounds like a fantasy for me since I swing hard and use topspin. I will probably get it strung at 62 pounds to start since it sounds like it needs to be tamed. That's ok though...my old Head could be strung up to 72 pounds (per the writing on the racquet), and it really helps me control where I am placing the ball.
     
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  40. zidane339

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    When you getting it?
     
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  41. i suck at tennis

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    I picked up a 320 vo2 from zidane last week and so far I am really enjoying it! I have only played with it about 4 hours but I think that this might replace my n6.1 16x18 sticks. Groundstrokes with this thing are lots of fun, I have been painting the baseline on my forehand. The backhand is going to take a little getting used to, I don't know why but my timing is a little off on that side.

    This racquet is fairly maneuverable at net and I must say that volleying is fun. They literally launch off the racquet face so you really have to watch the ball and make sure you are setting up properly or you may have some problems.

    My serves are kinda like the backhand...going to take a little tweaking with timing but so far I like what I am seeing. I have a very flat first serve and this thing is like a missile launcher.

    I'm going to put my preferred string setup in tonight and see how that goes. Hopefully will report back with even more favorable results
     
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  42. Power Player

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    I just bought one today off this site. So hopefully in 3 days or so. I'm just going to get the poly hybrid at 62#s that I always get and hopefully hit this weekend. I'm pumped. It sounds like a perfect racquet for my game.

    I get good spin with the 335. You guys think this new one will create even more? Plus I read that it i awesome if you use a 2 handed backhand also.

    We should have a 335 comparison. I will put my impressions up when I get it, but if anyone has both now, I'd love to hear what to expect.
     
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  43. reesespiecestennis

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    Powerplayer really anxiously awaiting your thoughts since we both use an aerogel 200. I think if you really like it then I'm gonna have to buy.

    I'm hitting extremely consistent groundstrokes and returns, everything. It's just a little too heavy for me over a while and I'm having difficulty hitting fast first serves compared to other racquets. I want a little more power in reserve and something I can lug around all day.
     
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  44. zidane339

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    Haven't used the 335, but you will love the amazing spin you can get, I promise.

    Let us know how it goes!
     
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  45. Power Player

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    I can't keep the ball on the court with the AG200 consistently. It is a great racquet, but it does not get the spin I need. It is partially my fault for stringing it light, but I think it would be wiser to go with one brand and stick with it. I also need a more open string pattern.

    Basically when I play, I always go back to the TFight 335. Which is why I bought this V02. I think Tecnifibre knows what aggressive baseliners need. Even though I love thin beamed racquets, I have a Head Graphite Master (18mm) and the 335 (20mm), so I am good there. The 335 is no more, so I figure why not embrace the present. The reviews on here really sold me on this racquet, and so does the company. I think they may be the best racquet makers in the world.
     
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  46. Gee

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    TF335 is still available by several Internet shops.
     
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  47. ThetrnlChampn

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    I am also a huge fan of the Tecnifibre rackets playing 2 seasons with the 320 & eventually 335 as i was fit and the extra weight was a plus. I gave the frame up due to what is commonly being decribed as a power issue especially on the forhand size but i also found serving and manouverabillity to be an issue.
    I now play with the ktour 90 and can't see myself changing, maybe only for the 88.
    Recently i had to go back to the 335 due to three string breaks in 10 minutes. After playing with the K90 the power and lack of feel on the forhand was greatly exagerated, balls just kept sailing.
    I found that 57lbs was the best for this frame with something like cyberflash @.23 as the tension didn't drop to much. 60lbs was to tight(and painful on the arm) and 55lbs rediculous after ten minutes.
    If you are a baseline basher who is strong, rarely comes to the net, is aggressive and precise with the feet and preperation this frame is deadly. Otherwise you might get a little frustrated......
    The t-fight's look great and are much better than all other frames in the '98 head sized player frames in my oppinion!
    I also love the volkl v10 but nothing compares to the overall versitillity of the k90.
     
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  48. reesespiecestennis

    reesespiecestennis Rookie

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    Funny I'm the opposite. Maybe my strings are dead and have no pop.. probably. But I'm straining my shoulder to get some juice on serve that I can get with my other racquets.

    Actually the above is probably true because I was cranking huge shots today that I normally can't hit, but then my arm and body became tired from swinging so durn hard for an hour straight of rallying.
     
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  49. Power Player

    Power Player G.O.A.T.

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    Interesting. I swing really hard and use a lot of topspin. I do agree that there is a sweet spot and if you string the racquet too tight, you will risk getting a sore arm. The only time I got a soreness at all was when my polys died. Anyway, I am going to string my 335 at 57 and 60. It is at 55 and 60 right now. I think 57 and 60 may be perfect for the 335 if you play aggressive.

    The v02 I am getting is strung at 58#s right now per the seller. So that is cool. I can see how much power is in this racquet and if it is too much, I will pump it up to 62 pounds.

    For my forehand, I like to get the stick as low as I can and just rip it. This really helps me deal with slice players and low balls. The 335 with 55/60 is hitting right on the baseline currently when I do that, which is why I need to get it a little tighter next time. I have no room for error currently.

    I am going to take the same cuts with the v02 at 58 and this should help me gauge the power for you guys when I talk about it. I have a feeling I will be hitting long until I restring it, but thats ok.
     
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  50. reesespiecestennis

    reesespiecestennis Rookie

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    I'm worried that if I play with the vo2 then I'll lose my flat shots, but gain with penetrating topspin that can keep me in a rally.

    The big question is am I going to be able to use poly. This racquet shouldn't be an arm killer ex. (pure drive, pdr, k95).

    I don't break strings in my aerogel 200 quickly so I don't think I need poly, but it might tame the power.
     
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