Review the craziest racquets you own

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  1. VOLLEY KING

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    Well I don't know how to string.

    I brought it to Roman Prokes and he said "no way". I said I would pay extra and he still said NO.

    The only guy who would string it is woody at grand slam. And he does it himself and won't allow anyone else. He is pretty fair and just charges double ....two sides is two racquets .

    He says there are two things that causes problems. First you have to be careful because when you string one side then go to the other the racquet will warp of not done correctly .

    Then when you have one side strung it hard to do the other because you can't fit your fingers through.

    I know what he means because putting a worm dampener through it , then it takes like 20 minutes . It's a pain.

    You have to use a spoon .
     
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  2. VOLLEY KING

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    Embarrassing isn't it? It's an addiction .

    I just love new ways to look at things in general. Im a bit of a rebel...lol.

    The thing about tennis as you said its so conservative. There's only one way to hot a ball, one type of racquet to use bla bla bla.

    But if you look at some of the greatest players in our sport they all changed the way the game was played and did something different against the grain :

    Roddick got the form of his serve from fooling around playing baseball with a racquet

    Tanner got it from trying to hit leaves off trees.

    Borg would not listen to his teachers and hit with an open stance

    Lendl ran around his backhnd to hit a forehand

    McEnroe does everything wrong from his crazy serve motion to his ugly groundstrokes

    But I find even many people on this board just follow the crowd like sheep.

    Let's not forget that Columbus said the world was round. Usually the minority is right.....because there are very few smart people but a lot of dumb ones.
     
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    the topic should be renamed "Review the ugliest racket"...
     
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  4. VOLLEY KING

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    That's what I mean about a conservative sport.

    Why are people so scared of differences?

    I swear I know what Columbus must have felt like.
     
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  5. VOLLEY KING

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    When graphite first came out few wanted to try it.

    As a compromise they made graphite racquets with wood in them. A composite.

    When Lendl finally had the balls to use one people started to trust them . But I think the very first was Ashe?

    Then came the prince oversized . No one wanted to try them at first either and then when pros started using them people started as well.

    By the way polyester strings have been around since at least the 70's. But like sheep everyone would only use gut.

    Borg ran into the same issue....everyone said "you must hit with a closed stance ....it's the only proper way!!!"

    We all should thank Borg for not listening .

    At one time even a two handed backhand was revolutionary!

    Same old story.
     
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    I played with the first Prince oversized racket, got lots of snotty comments like "no self respecting player" would ever use one. Later I played with the first Hammer rackets, also got a lot of ridicule ("Gawd, it's so THICK!").

    I also learned how to ski on little short 36 inch skis, was skiing parallel within a week ("Look Ma, no poles!!"). When I took a pair of Head 5-foot skis to France, the instructors laughed out loud. Later, short skis became THE hottest thing since sliced bread. When parabolic skis came out, people fell down laughing, until they noticed that two skis placed together had the exact same profile as a snowboard. Now you can't give away skis that aren't "shaped". I know, 'cause I hauled some over to Goodwill yesterday.

    That's OK. Winning is the best revenge.

    BTW, I called Vortex and changed my order to the 133 model. Wait 'til the locals get an eyefull!! Of course, one of the guys in my weekly tennis group uses a 135 inch Outer Limits racket, and USTA just moved him up to 4.5. He'll probably want to try the Vortex first thing.
     
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    I really think that you will like the 133....you may like the power angle better but at least you will give it a try!!

    The paint job is similar to a Babolat APD....it looks like an APD on steroids...lol.

    The looks are deceiving .... It's not as big as it looks. The sparse string pattern makes it look bigger than it is. If you match it up with your 116 you'll see it's not a big difference.

    I really loved the stick. The only issue is the serve....you really don't need to put much on it.

    Please let me know what you think . If you dislike don't spare my feelings.
     
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    I spare nobody except the blind, the sick, the crippled, and the elderly.

    That's why I'm so easy on myself......
     
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  9. VOLLEY KING

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    When will you receive the Vortex?
     
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    It was shipped yesterday via USPS. Hopefully I will get it by Saturday, as I am playing that night.
     
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  11. VOLLEY KING

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    2 more days until "V" day . :)
     
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    The Vortex arrived today, and I will be playing with it tomorrow night at a tennis party, might also try to hit with it a little bit during the afternoon.

    It really is huge, with very nice black/yellow glossy paint scheme. It feels a tad heavier than I expected. The strings are not what I expected --- they are thick at 15g, but have a smooth surface, appear to be round. Not sure what makes them super 'spinny".

    I immediately put a Power V grip on it, along with an overwrap. Can't wait to hit with it.

    Meanwhile, I took my PowerAngle to have it restrung today, discovered the frame has a crack in it, next to one of the upper grommet holes. I suspect this is because the previous owner ignored the stringing instructions, strung it with Golden Set poly @ 60 pounds, when the instructions say the max is 53 pounds. Not sure whether the frame is repairable or not. Bummer.
     
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    Hitman !!! Don't put the power V grip on !!!

    There's is a very big learning curve .

    The power V grip takes a lot of practice to get used to.

    You will be hitting the ball over the fence.

    I know the grip doesn't seem like a big deal .....but it's HUGE!!

    You are changing the angle of the face of the racquet and you are gaining a sheetload of power. It takes time to control that power.

    To play with a V grip for the very first time and use a new racquet is just too much to ask.

    The racquet really looks huge because of the strings . But it's an optical illusion. Put it face to face with your 116 and you'll see that the difference is actually marginal.

    Good luck!!!

    Dying to hear your reviews ....especially about the power V you won't believe what a difference it makes. You will
    Probably hate the grip. You will be spraying balls all over the place.....took me 6 months!
     
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    We'll see. IMHO I don't think it will be that much of an adjustment, as I have always switched grips between a semi-western FH and a fairly extreme BH. I also serve with an extreme BH grip.

    However, I do respect your advice. If I have any problem at all, I will pull the overwrap and grip off. No biggie....
     
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    You'll see . :)
     
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    He says, with an evil sounding laugh....... :twisted:
     
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  17. VOLLEY KING

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    Mitt Rocker 97
     
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    The first racquet ever made with moving parts. Wilson tried and failed to copy it with its "roller " technology. Remember those?

    They were little wheels placed where the drilled holes were.

    The mitt is supposed to catch the ball like a "mitt" by place img these little thing a ma bobs where the holes are . Tough to explain but you can see it here ( five the site an extra minute to load....it's very slow):

    http://web.archive.org/web/19961219073128/http://mittusa.com/

    The racquet was designed by the legendary hall of famed Pancho Gonzalez. Unfortunately when he died so did the company.

    I'm to lazy to give a full review but it was a great racquet with great feel. I only have one but I wish I had bought more.

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    Hitman,

    If you use the "V" grip and then decided to take it off ( which I think you will), the problem is muscle memory.

    When you go back to your original grip chances are you won't be able to hit the ball correctly until a game or two .

    I certainly would not try out the "V" grip in a match.
     
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    Tonight I will be playing at a tennis party --- three 45 minute playing sessions, two mixed, one men's. Competition level will be pretty high, comparable to USTA 4.0 league matches. But it's all just for fun.

    I am planning to go over to the club (indoors) this afternon, hit for an hour with a ball machine. In addition to the Vortex, I also want to hit with my Head Metallix, just had it restrung with low-tension (42 lbs) gut.

    BTW, my other Vortex (ES 108 ) was shipped to me today by JoeSh.

    So, lots of new toys to play with. :)
     
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    Then use the V grip on the head mettalix . :)
     
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    I tried to get some time on our club's ball machine, but it was booked until 5 PM. So I wandered over to the Wakefield tennis courts, hit a little bit against the wall, then practiced a few serves.

    I had little trouble adjusting to the Power V grip on ground strokes, but found that I couldn't serve a lick with it, so I removed the overwrap and the Power V insert. However, I wasn't overly impressed with the 133 racket on serves. I wasn't able to generate much pace OR much spin. Might come with more practice.

    Meanwhile, I also hit a few balls with the Metallix racket, strung with the PowerMaxx Light Touch natty gut string at 42 lbs. WOW! I got much more power AND spin with it, compared to the Vortex. My serves were effortless, but had lots of action and kick, with good pace. The stringbed also has a very nice damped feel to it, should be very arm friendly. I'm going to order some more of this string immediately.

    When I got back home, the other Vortex ES108 racket was sitting on my doorstep. It is strung with old, worn out MSV Hex string, but JoeSh swears it still plays very well that way. We'll see. I defitiely don't want to keep poly in it, so I might have it restrung with the PowerMaxx strings, might consider a hybrid setup.

    What I will probably do is play the first mixed doubles set, serve with the Metallix, receive with the Vortex 133. The second session is men's doubles, so I will play with the Metallix, unless I'm REALLY impressed with the Vortex. Last session is mixed again, so I might try out the ES 108.
     
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    I completely agree with everything you said.

    I found the same issues with the 133. Serving is the big down side. Basically you can only push a serve with it because it's so powerful.

    It's also not very good for topsin . But for volleys and return of serves....OMG!

    You can practically serve underhanded and still put a volley away. And Even a bomb serve will be returned with ease.

    As far a the "V" grip it takes a long time to get used to it. There is a VERY large learning curve and that is the reason it was unsuccessful .

    That why I suggested using double sides mounting tape ( wilander does the same ill post it) . This way you can make it thinner and build it up as you become more used to it. I started with only one strip and built it up now to five strips.
     
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    Hitman & Joe,

    Which MSV Hex do you use and what gauge?
     
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    I played with the 133 last night, and also again this morning. Everything that Volley King has said in this thread is pretty much accurate. Service returns and groundies are effortless, ball goes back to the baseline. Very good spin generation with basic strokes --- not outrageous, but very noticeable. I found the serve to be quite good, was able to generate good pace and spin without much strain. However, I am still not getting a dramatic "kick", and placement accuracy is just average. This should improve with practice.

    Biggest improvement was with volleys and overheads. This racket was indeed made for doubles.

    Despite the specs posted on the Vortex website, this racket does not seem to me to be head light, it actually feels a bit head heavy. It does appear to be HUGE, until you hold it next to a more normal oversize racket.

    Re the question about MSV Hex, I haven't used it yet. JoeSh told me the 108 was strung at 50 lbs about two years ago, didn't mention the string gauge. I'm not really sure that I want to restring it with a poly string good for only 8 - 12 hours of play, even though the MSV Hex feels very soft and playable as is. I might try the PowerMaxx Light Touch natty gut at 40 lbs or so, see how I like it.
     
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  25. VOLLEY KING

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    I understand what Joe is saying .

    Poly strings play pretty soft when they are dead. I personally like dead strings better than fresh new polys.

    When you get a new poly job they are quite stiff and the tension only lasts a short time anyway. As opposed to dead strings they stay that way.

    With dead poly you actually get a nice combination of a softer string but the spin potential of a poly. It's a personal preference.

    As far as the 133 it's easy to see if it's headlight or head heavy. Just stick a ruler through the shaft . If it tilts downward with the head facing down then it's head heavy but if it tilts down with the handle side then it's head light.

    The big disadvantage with that 133 is serving. I can basically only push the ball and that's why I don't use it. I also have a lot of trouble generating topspin .

    It's for a player who has shorter ground strokes or a chip and charger.

    For the right player it's the right stick.....but at the net it's really hard to get it by you. It's just a dream for volleying .

    I think you will enjoy the 116 better because you can serve harder with it.....but be forewarned its not a great serving stick or topspin stick either .

    For both the 116 & 133 you have to stop thinking about aces and start thinking that you will have to win the point on a volley. They are both lethal volley sticks.

    The 108 & 100 on the other hand just does everything very well. No weakness .....just not as strong on volleys and returns as the 133 and 116.

    I hope that helps? Can't wait for you to try the 108!!
     
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  26. Tim Tennis

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    Thanks for your interest

    Volley King, first let me congratulate you on your never ending quest to improve. That is what makes tennis so exciting, you can always get better. You can experiment with new technologies. You can experiment with changing and improving your mechanics. You can improve your physical fitness. You can also work on the mental aspects of the game. By practicing and drilling you can greatly improve your consistency and develop new shots that will take your game to the next level.

    If you bear with me I will make some comments about some of the posts, by the way, which I greatly appreciate.

    Volley King, loved your comments on post # 41
    “ Ok I know this isn't a racquet but this tiny little gadget has changed my game more than any racquet or string there is . In fact it's the most important of the three!!

    I never knew how important your grip is but everything starts from there.

    The right grip will give you more power , control and feel than any racquet or strings ....I swear.

    This grip changes the angle of your racquet face. You get a far more powerful ball . It's like having a nunchuck in your hand."

    My comment, the Power V Grip will definitely close the racquet face angle on both the Semi-Western grip and the Continental, if you place your hand where the Power V Grip encourages you to.

    The Power V Grip II may change your racquet face slightly but basically adds significant leverage for all the grips without requiring significant changes in you mechanics.

    It also allows you to feel each grip clearly and it locks your hand in strong . For example if your in a continental you can't really cheat and slide into an eastern unless you go out of your way to do it . It's tough to explain.

    My comment, You are right on. Thanks!

    Babolat tried to copy this recently with a grip with a small bubble or hump in it. But it's not as nearly pronounced as the V grip.

    My comment. I don’t know if they tried to copy it or not. I did wonder about that. If they did, what greater compliment could I get? I actually built up some grips like their's and came to the conclusion that it was great for some grips but not so good for others.

    Post 41 Your review

    continental

    The V grip really works well here. The top end of the grip works like a shelf for your index finger .

    This V grip has increased the power of my serve , the accuracy and the spin.

    For volleys you get increased angels. You can really hit those pro volleys like you see on tv. Love it.

    eastern

    The V grip actually does not work so well for eastern at all.

    It takes away from the space as it goes right on the bevel where the palm of your hand would go.

    It does however increase your power but the accuracy goes down a bit.

    It also increases the power of the serve with an eastern.

    I use it with an eastern (as well as all the grips) but it tool a loooong time to get used to.

    semi western

    WOW!!! What can i say? You will increase your power your accuracy everything . Just awesome for this.

    western

    No freaking clue. I can't hit western if my life depended on it ....lol

    Conclusion

    If you try it you will immediately see a HUGE difference in the way you hit the ball.

    My comment. I think you are right on. I can’t hit a Western forehand either. As far as the Eastern, well, I do use it occasionally, probably more then I realize. As far as too how much the Power V Grip benefits the Eastern forehand grip, I think it is the only grip that a standard shaped handle is really good for. Some of my customers are big Eastern forehand users and they love it. Figure that out.

    There is a learning curve though because you tend to spray balls all over the place because of the increased power.

    It took me actually about 6 months! But I'm glad I stuck with it and I would never go back.

    My comment. Wow, not many people would have stuck with it for so long. The SECRET is in understanding your mechanics and how to adjust them to accommodate the changes that the Power V Grips might require. One quick example and I will leave it at that. If you use the Continental grip on your serve and you start hitting the ball into the net, what adjustments do you have to make to get your serve in. Well, you may have to generate more racquet head speed, change your contact point slightly, probably a slight modification in the swing path to generate more forward/horizontal energy. All I can say is that the Power V Grips give you an opportunity to greatly improve you game if you understand the relationship of what grip you are using, swing path, contact point, racquet head speed and the all important racquet face angle.

    Post 43 Hitman 99 said: Checked this out on their website. What is the difference between the two grips? I've read the descriptions, can't really tell them apart. Do they both have the sorbothane cushioning?

    My comments. Very interesting, a lot of customers order 1 of each, so apparently they have the same problem. I normally encourage them to order the PVG II. I feel it is easier for most people to use yet still greatly benefit their game. Yes, both of them are made of Sorbothane.

    Post 44 Volley King said, “Small family owned company so don't be too hard on them.”

    Thank you. Yikes!
    Post 63 (Volley King to Hitman) Hitman !!! Don't put the power V grip on !!!

    There's is a very big learning curve .

    The power V grip takes a lot of practice to get used to.

    You will be hitting the ball over the fence.

    I know the grip doesn't seem like a big deal .....but it's HUGE!!

    You are changing the angle of the face of the racquet and you are gaining a sheetload of power. It takes time to control that power.

    To play with a V grip for the very first time and use a new racquet is just too much to ask.

    My comment. Interesting, what can I say, some people adjust immediately and for some it takes some time. I think a lot depends on how well you move your hand on the handle now and how well you understand your mechanics and what adjustment you may need to make. Don’t quit.

    Post 68 Volley King I certainly would not try out the "V" grip in a match.

    My comment. I agree. You should really practice and experiment with the PVG before you play a match with it. In a match you are under too much pressure to perform. You do not have the luxury of analyzing and adjusting your mechanics. You become too critical.

    Post 71 Hitman I had little trouble adjusting to the Power V grip on ground strokes, but found that I couldn't serve a lick with it, so I removed the overwrap and the Power V insert.

    My comment. So what happened on your serve? What aspects of your mechanics do you need to change? Understanding and adjusting could lead to a serve with action, spin and power that you never dreamed you could produce. Who knows? You may have passed over a tremendous opportunity to improve.

    Thanks so much for your interest.

    Best regards,
    Ed

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    Ed- PLEASE learn how to use multi-quotes because that post was painful to even try to read through.
     
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    Thanks, you are so right. I'm even confused and I wrote it. Yikes

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    Tim ,

    Thanks....it's been a battle but I would never go back to a regular grip.

    I think you should come out with thinner versions and then build up to the thicker version you sell regularly .

    It's such a radical change that people don't want to deal with it. You have to walk before you can run. That's why I told Hitman to first start off with one layer of mounting tale until he felt comfortable enough to use the thicker V grip you sell.

    As you can see Hitman couldn't even hit one ball and ripped off the V grip. That's should be proof.

    I personally did not give up because I saw how much more power I got . I thought to myself "all I need to do is control that power".

    So I started with one piece of mounting tape then two then three until
    I got to five . Now I use the V grip without a problem and my game has improved exponentially.

    The Angeles I get on the continental grip at the net are amazing ! I never had that before. In fact I never even had topspin until the V grip. My serves are bigger with more angle. It's absolutely amazing! Thank you !

    I don't know about the power grip 2 unless that's the softer version?
     
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    WOW.. These sticks are so sick
     
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    Grass court Fila sneakers for clay !!!

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    Ok not a racquet.....but a gadget in a sense . I'm to lazy to do another review so I thought I would post this trick that I do.

    I got the idea from reading about Andre Agassi. He wore grass sneakers to stop him from sliding at the FO. They banned them because he tore up the courts.....but at my level that really doesn't happen.

    I ripped my groin sliding and doing a split on the clay courts. I couldnt play any more on clay because of fear of sliding.

    Wearing grass court sneakers on clay allows me to pivot . It's like playing on a hardcourt.

    I found the fila shoes to be the most comfortable . Feels like a slipper.
     
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    I could hit the ball OK on groundies, but I couldn't serve with it. The problem was not with the grip position, as I have always hit my serves with a Continental/backhand grip, for enhanced spin. In fact, my service grip is more "radical" than almost anyone I have ever played with or against.

    Instead, the problem was the the Power V insert is too long as is (by design), needs to be shortened so that the index finger fits over the beveled end (for the Continental grip). Ed's instructions clearly state this, but I was eager to try it out, and just slapped it on the racket without cutting it to size. I am planning to try it again tonight.

    I am hoping that the grip will also help me correct a bad habit I have developed, of gripping the racket too far down the handle, so that the butt cap ends in the middle of my palm. I even did this with the Vortex 133, despite its increased length. As I result, I always have a rough callus in my hand, which gets irritated and sore.
     
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  33. VOLLEY KING

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    It may get irritated and sore but there's nothing wrong with gripping the racquet that way. I think most people do. I'm not sure if this though? I know I do.

    I completely agre with you about the V grip being to long. I cut it way way down.

    You have to make it custom fit your hand.
     
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  34. tennismonkey

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    hitman99 was kind enough to let me try out his vortex es 133 for about 20 minutes this weekend. i'm a 4.0 singles/dubs player. full long strokes and my regular racquet is an exo3 tour 18x20 leaded up to 12 ounces even.

    in person the spacing between the strings is absolutely huge. i could probably fit a quarter sideways through these holes. balance felt and played about even balance or slightly head heavy. power level was humongous. but the spin is equally humongous. taking full swings from the baseline required changing where i aim. with my regular racquet i'd aim about 5 feet above the net for a regular rally topspin forehand. that same swing with the es 133 launched off my racquet about 15 feet above the net and about 20 feet beyond the baseline. after adjusting my swing accordingly and aiming (in my mind anyway) at the netcord -- yielded a very fast and very spinny forehand that jumps off the court after the bounce. my slice backhands required no adjustment. just instantly more slice and effortless depth.

    at net the es 133 was very capable. the even balance definitely showed up here where the size of the racquet and thickness made it feel very slightly cumbersome. fast exchanges at net would not be this racquet's strong point. but effortless power made this racquet as simple as just meeting the ball out front for volleys and it takes care of the rest.

    to me control with this racquet was average. i could place it to the corners or down the line but it was always sort of the general vicinity - give or take 5 feet. it's clear this racquet favors much shorter strokes and it takes care of the rest. definitely not designed for pinpoint control.

    lastly for such a stiff racquet - this was a super comfy ride. i have wrist and elbow issues and i'm pretty sure i could play with this racquet day in, day out and i'd be fine.

    thanks hitman for the fun. i saw you hitting with this racquet and i think it's a good match. with your preferred strings - it'll be ever better.
     
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  35. Hitman99

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    IMHO, accuracy is pretty good, but will improve with more practice and play time. Using a semi-Western grip on both sides helps control the ball arc, also adds spin. You don't have to do anything special with the 133 to generate spin, it just happens --- as if by magic.

    Re the strings, the rackets comes with 15g hex poly strings, brand is proprietary to Vortex. I will be interested to see how long the strings hold up before stretching and losing their pop. Since the other Vortex racket (ES 108) has MSV Hex strings that are over 2 years old, and it still plays well (feels EXTREMELY soft and cushy), maybe the strings in the 133 will also last as long. However, I am not really sold on poly, so I will want to try the PowerMaxx Light Touch natty gut, see how that feels.

    The 133 is definitely fun to hit with, puts a smile on your face. :)
     
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    Hey tennis Monkey,

    good to meet you.

    I had the same thoughts as you .

    This racquet is not made for long swings like yours. this is strictly a racquet for shorter swings.

    The trick with this stick is to not swing hard. Its clearly not for everyone...I dont play with it either.

    I did have a lot of fun with it and at the net I loved it.
     
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  37. VOLLEY KING

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    what happened with the 108?? dying to hear!
     
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    VK -- you are right though that the racquet was a lot of fun to play with. the almost comical levels of spin made me try angles that should be impossible. i could almost imagine how federer and especially nadal must feel. when you can hit that much spin and with power too -- the entire court opens up.

    wish there was a device or a camera that can record RPM's for us regular joes. i gotta believe these vortex racquets rank right up there.

    and yes control is good insomuch as you keep your strokes short. long loopy strokes doesn't mesh well with this 133 anyway. wonder how the smaller headsize vortex sticks do?
     
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    I really LOVE their smaller frames.

    The ES 100 & 108 and the player thinner version I think the Pro 100 were one of the best sticks that I have ever played with in my life.

    Volleys and return of serves were incredible with all of them. The only reason I dont use them is that I just dont care for a thicker framed racquet. There is something about a very thin beam that I just love.

    The Pro 100 was relatively thin beamed and a great stick....but i just like the Donnays better for my game. Im a serve and volleyer and the slice is my most important approach shot. Theres something about a very thin frame that allows me to slice more agrresively.

    Other than that one stroke I would be playing with a Vortex .

    To be honest though the greatest stick I have ever played with was the Blackburne 95. I absolutely love that stick. My absolute holy grail.....the problem is that I just dont want to deal with having them strung. what a nightmare!!!

    I play with Poly and Poly becomes lifeless rather quickly. The thought of having to restring the blackburne every other week gives me nightmares.

    But if you really want to try something wild then try that stick. But you wont be able to get the 95 because I bought the very last one. you can still get the 107 ...and you may love it. heres a picture of it in case you missed it:

    The blackburne ( 97 & 107)

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    Roscoe tanner using the blackburne at Wimbledon

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    I have only hit with it for a few minutes, but it clearly feels much different than the 133. First, it is so SOFT, so much so that it takes away the feel of the strings. Second, the launch angle is much lower, so you have to swing harder and aim higher. Although spin is present, it is much more subtle than the 133. You have to use swing technique to generate the spin.

    Saturday night I let one of my friends hit with it. He was probably the strongest male player at a party of 80 people (50+ men), hits much harder than I, and has a vicious serve. He loved the racket for everything except volleys, felt that the racket was too dead to generate any pace.

    I will take the 108 with me to my mens doubles match tonight, will warm up with it, try some serves. My original thought was to serve with the 108, use the 133 the rest of the time. However, the feel of the two rackets is so different, not sure that is such a good idea.
     
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    Well I think 2 year old dead strings may have something to do with it but joe swears by it??

    I personally like like pro supex blue gear ( in white) . Have you seen these strings? They are insane!

    Jagged strings most spin I've ever seen.
     
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    I hit with the 108 for a while last night, but didn't play with it. I am going to order a couple more sets of the PowerMaxx strings, have the racket restrung.

    Meanwhile, I didn't play that well last night with the 133, even though we won the first set, were tied at 4-4 in the second. I served really well, probably the best in many years. I quit trying to spin the ball, just freed up my arm and let loose with some real bombs. I am able to generate some serious juice with the 133 (for me at least).

    However, I felt sluggish and late on my ground strokes all night. Both of my opponents are hard hittlers, one is a senior, the other a 40 y.o. USTA 4.5 with vicious topspin. His groundies just handcuffed me all night. My strokes fell apart, and I had way too many unforced errors. I was late on a lot of volleys too.

    I've decided to send the 133 back, as much as I enjoy playing with it. Main reason is that it is killing my shoulder. All that power, spin, and leverage from the longer length carries a steep price. The racket FEELS comfortable, but it is definitely making my shoulder worse. I had trouble sleeping last night, and am thinking I probably need to take some time off to heal up.

    So, I will get the 108 restrung, focus on learning how to hit with it, work on my swing technique. Maybe after my shoulder heals I can give the 133 another try. It is a WEAPON.
     
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  43. VOLLEY KING

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    Hitman,

    Don't kill yourself to like the racquet. You said you love the power angle .

    Just stick with that.

    At the very least it's just fun to try different sticks.
     
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    Unfortunately, discovered that the PowerAngle frame has a crack in it, near one of the upper grommet holes. My stringer said that sometimes a crack can be repaired with fiberglass, but I am doubtful.

    I still have a Head Metallix, freshly strung with PowerMaxx natty gut, that I can play with. I am also planning to restring the Vortex 108, see how that plays. If it is as soft as the worn-out MSV Hex, should be OK.
     
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  45. VOLLEY KING

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    So what if there's a crack. Maybe that's why you play so well with it??lol.
     
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    may i ask why you use random pictures from internet websites if you own al these racquets...?
     
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    Because I can't figure out how to load them and put them on this board.
     
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    now you know how to do it, lets see some real pictures of your frames... i'm curious!!!
     
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    Thank you!!!

    I'll try when I get home .
     

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