Reviews of Prince Garpahite 100 from TW users

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  1. Federerkblade

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    Reviews of Prince Graphite 100 from TW users

    Deliberately started a new thread as wanted to know which of the TW american gang will get their hands on the Graphite 100 this monday from TW america and are able to post a review with their thoughts.

    IN europe we wont be getting until November sometime.

    It can confusing with posting reviews on the other prince threads.

    So whos getting one and whos gonna post a review for the frame which i cant wait to playtest too ?
     
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  2. Federerkblade

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    Whos getting their delivery this week ?
     
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  3. MikeHitsHard93

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    What's a Garpahite?
     
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    Clearly a typo Buddy which i cant edit
     
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  5. Disgruntled Worker

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    On paper it looks great. A beam width of 19mm and 100 square inches - in today's Pure Drive/BLX Blade/Radical-obsessed world those specs are almost sacrilegious.
     
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    Just givin you a hard time ;)
     
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  7. Disgruntled Worker

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    Don't be surprised if that actually ends up becoming a revolutionary, game-changing material
     
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    Lmao...that seems to be the trend these days...
     
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  9. oldschoolrules

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    Received and played with one today. Strung it with Prince synthetic gut (original) at 63 and replaced the resi-pro grip with an old Prince calfskin I scavenged from one of my old graphite mids. Admittedly, I've been playing with the graphite on and off and from oversize to mid and back since 1983 or so and, as such, I'm probably a bit biased, but I am absolutely sold on the 100. It really does feel closer to the older, "four stripe" layup than the more recent iterations and, in fact, did not provide any of the "brassy" feedback that plagued the tour version. I found it to be very solid in spite of its noticeably softer flex, slightly lighter weight and fairly head light balance. I was actually able to confidently take a full cut at the ball for the first time in a couple of years - I had been on the Babolat/ full poly train for a while now - as this stick just felt spot on from the first ball struck and provided that sense of reliability that if I hit it squarely the ball would go where I intended to go. I imagine that some will want to "lead it up" in an effort to try and duplicate the weight/balance of the old 93 or 110 but I would suggest that they hold off on doing so and give it a chance in stock form first. And try it with a syn gut or multi before going to the poly. I think you will be surprised how well it plays when strung with a more "traditional/classic" string.

    Bottom line, for someone like myself who is more comfortable and familiar with the feel and performance of older, thin beamed frames but needs a little larger sweet spot at this juncture (mid to late 40's) and is still able to generate enough racquet head speed on occasion to have trouble controlling some of the more modern stuff like the APD or Blade, it is a must try. I will be ordering another one or two shortly.
     
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    ^ Good feedback.

    I'm also in the group that has been playing mostly with POG's and have also been considering leading up the hoop, but will definitely take your advice into consideration. Will give it a few hours in stock-form before making modifications. A leather-grip will be a must though.
     
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  11. hyperb0wl

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    awesome review! "brassy" feedback is so accurate in describing the newer tour versions of the pog. how anyone used those is beyond me.

    im so glad to hear they are more akin to the 4 stripe versions. that was the only thing i was really worried about. thanks again for the review.
     
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  12. sruckauf

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    That's encouraging. I'm in the same situation where I have gone back and forth between my POG mid and oversize back and forth over the years (all four stripe only - don't like the others), peppering in some new models once in a while. I always go back to one of the POGs.

    Did you pick up the standard length or the extended?
     
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  13. oldschoolrules

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    Got the standard length. Just as a follow up to my earlier post - I hit with it again today and the experience was even better! If you've enjoyed using earlier versions of the Graphite I'm pretty sure you will absolutely love this frame. Even after playing with the APD for the last several months, I did not experience any of those initially awkward feeling strokes I've often encountered when trying out or switching to a new frame in the past and can definitely see how the TW tester was able to go right out and play a competitive match with this racquet. It is both instantly familiar and yet better at the same time.
     
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  14. topspinlob

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    that is great to hear about the racket. I used the 4-stripe POG OS for many years until I had the rackets stolen..now I have to wait until people are selling them used..hehehe

    I wonder why they just didn't install leather grips on this racket and on the LB. So after installing a leather grip on the racket you didn't feel a need to put some lead to maintain the stock balance? with installing the leather grip the racket is prolly at 8pts hl ?
     
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    lands in europe in ten days so keep them reviews coming
     
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    I was ready to add some lead after installing the leather - which I put on before hitting a single ball (old habits die hard!) - but was actually quite pleased with the balance/feel.
     
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  18. Sinner

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    Do you think you'll eventually add a bit of lead around the hoop? I guess ideally, I'd want a balance that's between the 4-stripe & TOUR.
     
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    At this point, probably not. However, since I only have one stick at present, if there are significant enough spec differences with the second and maybe third I may have to add a touch just to match them up. Truth be told, a couple of years ago I would not enjoyed playing with something quite this head light as I preferred the more even balance of my old graphite mids. But as I've gotten a bit older and my reaction time has slowed - particularly on returns - I feel like I can get this set up around a little quicker. It also may have to do with my using those APDs for a bit, which I started out leading up a lot and then slowly backed off a gram or two at a time over several months.
     
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  20. Federerkblade

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    Oldschool rules. quick question which grip size did you get of the POG 27 inch.

    and do you feel its true to size and what are you comparing it to
     
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    I know it's way early for this, but for the sake of discussion, Oldschool, how much lead in the hoop do you think it would take to make the balance more similar to the 4-stripe OS?

    EDIT

    Having said that, I just received my 100 today! Hopefully I'll get a chance to hit with it in a few days, but for starters, I took the Resipro off and slapped on a brand new Prince Calfskin. Together with a Tournagrip & rubberband, the static weight came to 336g, well-below my 4-stripe and Tour weight of around 345g. In my hands, it feels noticeably more headlight than my Tour.

    Apparently, Chris upped his 100 to 357g!?

    I have a feeling I'll lead-up the hoop eventually, but will decide after a few hours in stock-form.
     
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  22. downs_chris

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    Anyone chop the old POG Longbody to 27" and hit the new 27" version of the frame? I'm curious how they compare...
     
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  23. oldschoolrules

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    Unfortunately, while I do have two of the "tour" oversize In the closet, I don't have any four-stripe 110s at this point to make that comparison. I actually "traded" the last ones I had for the four-stripe mids of a college teammate back in the late 80s. It's hard to believe that I still have one of those around that is still intact and playable (along with a couple of cracked ones that I can't make myself toss in the trash). I will, however, try to put some numbers together with regard to matching the balance/weight of the 100 to that old 93 when I get the chance.
     
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  24. klementine

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    Just ordered me the slab of molded graphite known as the Graphite 100. Ordered a grip size too small and a shrink wrap (+1/2) to wrap underneath the leather. Hopefully this will get it closer to my ideal specs.

    @Sinner-
    Really!? Only 336g with leather and the works? So what was the original strung static weight? Nowhere close to TW specs of 331g strung if that's the case.
     
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  25. Sinner

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    ^ Yeah. Based on my scale,
    Strung w/ Resipro = 324g.
    Strung w/ leather = 330g.
    Strung w/ leather, Tournagrip & rubberband = 336g.

    Strung with Prince Premier LT.
    The Prince leather grip I used was a brand new one from the 90's. Still had the Michael Chang endorsement on it! :D

    Either the accuracy of my scale was off (possible) or the 7g difference fell within their margin of error (possible too).
     
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  26. Federerkblade

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    324g is light. do you think the swingweight will be much lighter too
    do prince have a manufacturer quality tolerance for swingweight and flex and if its out can the racquet be returned
     
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  27. jayserinos99

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    I just ordered 2 this afternoon. I hope to get them Friday.
     
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  28. sargeinaz

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    Do post reviews after you hit with them gentlemen.
     
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    The one I just received for a demo (local shop) weighs in at 337 with the 2g dampener and no overgrip. It is unfortunately strung with Tour XC in 15L - which I think is too thick for this frame - at a higher tension than I like. I think the 15L adds a couple grams to the racquet.

    I took it out for a short hit tonight with a ball machine. It was getting dark and I only hit about 60 balls with it. First impression was not as good as I had hoped. I play with both the four stripe 93 and 107s and had been hitting the 107 indoors earlier today. I think the combination of the thicker string, strung high and it being only 45 degrees out made it feel a bit harsher than if I had a 17g strung at 45lbs and indoors. I have it until Monday and hope to hit with it again Friday and Saturday when it is warmer, I have more time, and someone I regularly hit with.
     
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  30. Fed Kennedy

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    Can't decide if the garpahite is gOAt or obsolete
     
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    In a different thread Chris (TW) kindly explained how he customized his. He puts lead around the handle, before adding a leather grip, but he adds it at the top of the handle instead of the bottom. I would always put it at the bottem (for makeong the frame more headlight). Why does one put it at the top; or does anyone knows what difference that will make for how it plays, compared to the bottom?
     
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  32. Sinner

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    I know poly weighs a bit more, but damn!

    It should be noted that my Prince Premier LT was an 18, so that'll be a bit lighter too.

    But still!
     
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  33. oldschoolrules

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    Adding the lead at the top of the grip (as opposed to further down) tends to affect static weight more so than swing weight/balance
     
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    Static weight will be affected regardless of where you place the tape.

    Placing weight at the top of the handle will not move the balance point as much as placing it at the bottom of the handle. However, it will affect swingweight more than placing it in the bottom of the handle.
     
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    That's what I was trying to say :) I know that they're considered two completely different measurements and that there are plenty of "light" frames with "heavy" swing weights but, in my mind, I still tend to equate static weight with overall swing weight. From there, they are either headlight, head heavy or evenly balanced.
     
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    The Garpahites will soon again reunite with their homeland of Garpahitia.

    So tells their destiny.
     
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  37. jayserinos99

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    My POG100s came in today. They're strung with Wilson Extreme syngut16 at 56 lb to break in the grommets before I string them up with Tour Bite 16L. I can't wait to hit with them.
     
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    Would love to hear your thoughts and hear a comparison to a modern 100 in frame such as a Bab apd
     
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  39. DonDiego

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    Anyone can compare the feel / flex of this new 100 to the Graphite Pro series 110? (the one without crossbar) I expect it to be stiffer cause the Graphite Pro is unbelievably flexy (which I like), but if it's close enough, I might buy cause I really like the lower weight of the new one.

    If you never played with the Graphite Pro 110, can you tell if this new 100 is more comfortable for the elbow than the OS (107) TW has been selling these last years? Thanks all.
     
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  40. Sinner

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    I played around with my aunt's Graphite Pro a few years back. I doubt anything now will ever be as flexy as that! LOL
     
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    My fear is the garpahite will have a dead super low power bad volley feel.
    My hope is that the garpahite will play like a modern 100 but be more arm friendly and touchy.
     
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  42. topspinlob

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    I played with Prince Power Pro 110 in HS. I think that was even more flexy than the Graphite Pro 110. The Power Pro 110 had some fiberglass in the layup.

    My cuzin had the Graphite Pro and I tried it. It was stiffer than the Power Pro. I still have it too
     
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  43. topspinlob

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    I would interested in your findings as well. I have been wanting a POG 100 my whole life...hahhahah
     
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  44. Federerkblade

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    my garphites will be with me tomorrow night
     
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  45. DonDiego

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    Indeed. That's why if someone can compare the comfort level of both recent versions (this new 100 and the POG OS), that would be a good start :). I just noticed this 100 has a 16x18 pattern, compared to the usual 16x19. This might help in the comfort department.
     
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    Eagerly awaiting Garp vs pro open review
     
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  47. jonestim

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    The only Prince racquet that is in the same ballpark of flex as the Graphite Pro 100 is the EXO3 Tour 100. Tour 100T ESP because the open pattern is also not bad. It's tough to tell with the Graphite 100 demo I have because it is strung tightly with a 15L poly, but it is probably cose to the current OS with the nod to the OS because of the more open stringbed.

    I am curious about the Tour Pro 100 that will be coming out. I haven't seen flex numbers on it, but specs are 5g lighter than the current EXO3 Tour with 5 less SW. Beam width is the same as the 100T and the current Team -20/22/20.
     
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  48. jonestim

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    Yes, I have a problem.

    It doesn't look so bad until you put them all in one place. I seem to have a problem.

    OS (and the 100 demo)
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    EXO3s
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    93s
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    And I forgot that I have a Pro - the aluminum one - sitting somewhere too.
     
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  49. MikeHitsHard93

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  50. jayserinos99

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    Will do. As it stands, the strings and tension are different between my APDs and POG100s so the initial comparison won't be ideal, but I will restring my POG100s accordingly.
     
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