Reviews of Prince Garpahite 100 from TW users

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  1. Power Player

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    For me the HL is a change, but I am trying to see if it is a good one. I am probably at 9 pts hl now, but on an XL.

    The advantage is that the head speed on serve is vicious, volleys are easier, and most important, I can whip approach shots into corners a lot easier than with HHeavier sticks.

    I also think that lends this racquets appeal to folks who like their sticks in the upper 11 ounce range and above. You can weight this racquet up and still have a lot of whippiness.

    What I notice from old school to modern is when I was young, these sticks were 355 grams and up. Now a lot of people (including me) are playing between 335-345. So to have that weight flexibility makes this racquet much more of an option for a wide range of players.
     
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  2. ae1222

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    PP I leaded mine up to 355g and it plays just awesome. The flex is more pronounced once you get more lead on it, and to me it feels fantastic. I have almost three layers of lead running from 10 to 2 and about the same amount of lead in the handle, so I keep the head light balance of the frame but the extra mass just makes this thing a real weapon. My serve has started to come around with this thing, so now I really don't have any complaints with this frame. I have hit with it exclusively for the past few weeks, next time I will break out my 57A along with it to see what they feel like side by side now.
     
  3. Federerkblade

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    can we see a pic of your lead placement on your racquet and you have over layered it 3 times


     
  4. Power Player

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    Awesome, interested in reading that. 355 is really nice. I can see myself at 340-345, but I added 4 grams in the throat to make it 338 so ill see how that goes first. I can tell that the stick in stock form just begs for lead on it.

    I plan to spend some weeks with it as well. Only way I will get used to the stick and see if the length works over time.

    Out of the box, the serve is vicious already for me. The Tec 315 is one of my favorites for serve, and the POGLB is even better.
     
  5. Federerkblade

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    must concur this racquet needs lead
     
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    Ok, at 340 grams ( i went for it), which is really my preferred weight for the past year, this stick plays fantastic. I can only imagine it at 355, but that is a little heavy for me. In fact, for lead suggestions on the long body, Id say go for 3-4 grams less than what you use on a standard and lead the throat area.

    The HL balance is paying off big time on sharp angles and approach shots. The problem with the stick at a lighter (stock) weight is that fly swatter feel. Once you get it heavier, that goes away.It appears Prince weighted the stick in the more modern, polarized way, which is great since you can lead the throat up if needed and not have to mess with the SW or balance too much.

    I played the EXO tour 16x18, and liked it, but in my opinion, this is a far superior racquet to that.
     
  7. Federerkblade

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    iv not troied leading up the racquet in the throat for the standard g 100. may try that on another one. i do feel in standard format ot has fly swatter feel which i dont like
     
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    If you can get it to 335 (or even better, 340) you will notice an improvement in feel. Id suggest leading the throat and fine tuning at 12 if you want more SW.
     
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    It has to be 337.5 in order for drop shots to work. :)
     
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    :confused: I was just going off his specs in his sig.
     
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    my lead placement 7 inches at 12 and 5 inches each side at 3 and 9
     
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    Just messing around. I'll be curious to see if you become a "Garpy" with this frame.
     
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    I know..lol. I will have to let you try it out. It is impressive. But I know you are probably not into XLs anymore.
     
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    I like the XLs but I just worry about the extra elbow strain. The specs on this one are in my wheelhouse but the spin of the ESPs is just too intoxicating for me.
     
  15. topspinlob

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    down with the Garpahites!

    So I have been following this thread religiously..I currenyly play with customized EXO3 Garpahites 100 (approx 347 strung 6pts HL..string inserts and over grip). I have 4 of them since I thought POG 100 would never be made...

    what happened to the poster "oldschoolrules". When I get these rackets I plan to install leather grips on them..and most likely lead them up to 347 grams 6pt-7pts hl with overgrip ..It appears he's the only on in this thread anyway that has installed a leather grip.. curious to see if he has done any more customization...
     
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    I will try to get pics of mine up tomorrow. I cut mine down to 27.5" and put a leather grip on, really liking this frame.
     
  17. Power Player

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    Yeah I hear you. The spin on this racquet is also ridiculous. I think it originated in Spain for clay courts and just got released here. We'd have to compare them both, but this is the most spin I have gotten from a racquet that also lets you hit a very clean flat ball as well.

    So far my elbow is fine, but I just got it. The comfort level is extremely high though.
     
  18. mikeler

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    What is the flex rating on it?
     
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    I'm sorry that I haven't posted lately - between work and fighting the seasonal allergies/funk ...

    To answer an earlier question regarding further customization - no, I have not made any additional mods other than replacing the grip. I am still very pleased with the weight/balance in more "competitive" play, however, I am considering picking up another one and adding maybe 3 to 4 grams in the hoop to help when playing more casual doubles where the overall pace of shot is significantly lower.
     
  20. Power Player

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    61. I have another match with it tonight. So far I am really impressed, but I don't know about XL sticks until weeks in. If you played with thin beam Princes back in the day, it feels the same.

    This is like the Blade 104 where you know its extended, but it does not play that way. I also am choking up a little more on my forehand.

    The plaza did not have any demos last time I asked..maybe now. I grabbed one elsewhere on a whim. I had not bought a racquet in 7 months. :shock:
     
  21. ae1222

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    I have had Tommy John surgery so I am very sensitive to elbow strain. I can say that this frame hasn't given me any issues, and it even have mine currently strung with Hurricane Tour at 65 lbs.
     
  22. double13

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    Hi borgpro,

    Thanks for the info. on Chris (TW).
    can you tell me where the thread is?

    I'll try searching for "Chris" but not sure if that is his handle name.

    thanks!
     
  23. Power Player

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    Really digging this thing on serve. The extra length makes a big difference for me. I can come over the ball a lot easier, and as a short guy that makes my top/slice serve a lot more consistent.

    I serve well with my Tec too, but I go back and forth and I find the 28inch is just a flat out advantage. Played a teaching pro last night and he was having a lot of issues with the serve. Said it was coming in fast and the spin was very tough for him to deal with.

    I also hit slices with this racquet like it is an 18x20. I have no explanation for why this is, but it is extremely noticeable going back and forth.

    So far this racquet continues to impress, and if this continues for a month or so, I most likely will switch since the XL only seems to benefit my game. I just need to give it time as XL sticks have wooed me in the past, and I really love the Tec too.
     
  24. allenkau

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    Just got a pair of these from TW today.

    Hit for about 2 hours with one. Syn Gut @ 56lb.

    A little heavier than what I am used to but I love them.

    Anyone putting a GUT / POLY combo on these yet? What tension?

    HOw about a Poly / SynGut combo ? Such as BHBR 17 / Gosen 17 ?
     
  25. sargeinaz

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    Reading that these swing easy which confirms what i felt in the shop when I swung them. Really smooth swinging stick. Doesn't feel 28inches at all. Prince did a great job with the balance and weight distribution
     
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    I'm getting confused..are we discussing about the standard or LB or both?

    Sent from my RM-877_nam_att_205 using Board Express
     
  27. Power Player

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    Both. I didnt think to start a new longbody thread. Not sure its needed.
     
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    I call dibs on your tec :lol:
     
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    Cant ever sell it..its too cool and i will miss it. Especially since they are tough to find.
     
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  31. Sinner

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    After playing just a few hours in stock-form, I've decided to move into Phase 1 of my lead-experimentation for my POG100

    I don't normally do a lot of lead-modding so I took the "play-by-ear/trial-&-error" approach. Added 2g each at 3 & 9 and 4g at 12 for a total of 8g (static 344g). The approach might be all wrong (I have no idea), but when I took it out for a spin yesterday, the difference was instantly noticeable. Obviously the swingweight was very different, but when I made good-contact with the ball, wow... so solid, so stable, fantastic depth and power. The problem was maybe it might have been a bit too much at 12 o'clock as I started to feel a bit of fatigue after 45mins. Lol. I think I'll need to tweak it a bit more, but a bit more weight on the hoop made a helluva difference.
     
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    Thats a lot of lead to add at once. I will say that in my experience with the LB, I simply tweaked the SW up a little with 2 grams at 12, and then weighted the stick in the throat so the balance stayed the same. But I did have the same experience - the racquet is much more solid once you get to around 12 ounces, and the feel goes to another level.
     
  33. jayserinos99

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    I did something like you, but only adding 2g to 10/2. The frame itself was fine before, but now there's added solidity to each shot, especially the slices and volleys.
     
  34. Sinner

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    I know that now! [​IMG] *rubs shoulder*


    But I've since took off all 4g's at 12. We'll see how that goes...
     
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    I finally hit with the 100LB today. I must say that this stick is absolutely the 'Hammer of God'. I was stock with Prince XC@56 lbs. I had no problems getting used to the extra length. I know when I hit a heavy when the ball appears oblong as it spins through the air. I was getting that on most of my groundless. Volleys were solid. I didn't hit many serves, but the ones I did hit felt really nice.

    I don't switch sticks often although I do try most of the new sticks, but this one is very tempting.
     
  36. Power Player

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    Yes..i love the hammer of god. Haha. It really is unfair what a 28 can do if you can adjust to it. I cant explain why this stick is so easy to get used to. Must be the balance.
     
  37. Faithfulfather

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    I love the 27' midplus so much that I bought 2 of them from TW and had them matched only to have my ex-wife pull some shenanigans. Alas, I must sell them, so check the classifieds soon.
     
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    A bit of an update on my experimenting...

    Previously on G100...

    I had 2g each at 3 & 9 and 4g at 12... this proved to be too much for my arm, despite the glorious plow-through. 344g static.

    I proceeded to remove 4g from 12, leaving 2g each at 3 & 9. This felt noticeably different in terms of swingweight (obviously). Good stability, but felt that I could maybe add a bit more back at 12.

    I decided to go gram by gram and added 1g at 12. Dunno if it'll make any difference if at all, but after having a hit with it yesterday, it felt really solid and added a lot more depth to my shots. I hit pretty flat and with very-little net clearance. I guess at this point, I'll work between 1g-3g at 12 till I feel comfortable. Maybe it's all psychological. :p

    I also decided to change my Prince Calfskin (circa 1995) with the current version. Turns out, the leather quality is very different. The current ones feel much nicer, are a bit wider, thicker & softer... and heavier.

    Without a Tourna, the new static is 340g vs 335g (1995 Calfskin).
     
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  40. tennisinoc

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    Just got my hands on the New Standard length POG 100.
    My unstrung weight is coming in lower than spec at 311g. Strung weight is coming in at 328g. Im kind of weary that this will be too light for my liking. I might put a leather grip and overgrip to help bump up the weight if I dont like this underweight stock stick I got. Problem is, if I do this, balance will be severly changed. Ill give my feedback on this stick after tonights hit. Any feedback on string set ups?
     
  41. Power Player

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    Id go with whatever you use now. The POG doesnt care. It is great with about anything.
     
  42. Sinner

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    That's better than what I had.

    Roughly...

    Strung w/ Resipro = 324g.

    Strung w/ 90's Prince leather = 330g.
    Strung w/ 90's Prince leather, Tournagrip & rubberband = 336g.

    Strung w/ Current Prince leather = 335g.
    Strung w/ Current Prince leather, Tournagrip & rubberband = 340-341g.

    As I mentioned in a previous post, I've leaded-up mine (5g), which has made a huge difference... bringing the grand static total to 345-346g.

    What's your static weight with leather?

    As for strings... as you're still tinkering with the weight and balance of your racquet, I think you should stick with the string setup you've been using.
     
  43. tennisinoc

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    OK. I had a good 2 hour hitting session last night with the Standard POG 100.
    My background: The POG mid 4 stripe was my primary racket that I played competitive tennis with in my teens/young adult life. I transitioned to the POG OS when I came back to the sport 6 years ago because the Mid was too demanding for my rusty strokes. I then transitioned back to the Mid briefly when I got my cobwebs out. But after demoing with 98/100 square inch modern rackets, I transitioned away from the mid because of the extra margin of error and extra power of the larger frame. I always said that if Prince would just make a 100 sq inch POG I wouldn't have needed to demo or change frames and brought me down the wicked road of racketholizm.
    But here we are now. FINALLY, with a POG 100 in hand! THANK YOU PRINCE!

    Initial impression. I was kind of weary of the lighter weight of this racket, being almost 1 oz lighter than my POG mid (12.6 oz), and how stable it would be and if it would generate enough plow through like a heavier frame.
    I currently prefer a 12.2 oz frame with a SW around 340. I have demoed many 11 oz rackets and always found them to be too unstable and lacked the solidness I seek. Boy, I don't know how Prince did it, but they found a way to keep the solid and stable feeling of a 12oz racket in a lighter package.
    Because it is lighter, was able to whip the racket around quicker and generate more head speed but still have the plow. I was very surprised. The racket didn't flutter or have that hollow pingy feeling of lighter 11oz rackets I had demoed in the past. My regular hitting partner even commented how I was hitting with more pace and power, especially on my Forehand. Slices even had enough weight behind it to penetrate the court. The racket feels like "HOME" because it still has that familiar feel of my older POGs. The only weakness I found was with my serve. I could not get as much pop as I am used to. Control was good but not as much weight as I am used to. I will next experiment with adding weight with a Leather and Overgrip. Maybe try Gut Mains too. Then possibly slowly play with lead in the head. Overall, it is a very promising playtest and could possibly transition to this racket if I could get the set up right. THANK YOU AGAIN PRINCE for finally bringing this racket to life.
     
  44. Chace

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    What is your string set up in the POG 100?
    Thanks in advance
     
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    Geez, thanks Tennisinoc, now you make me start thinking about buying another frame again...

    Great review!
     
  46. Power Player

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    Probably the best feeling frame I have owned. I went for a little more power in the end, but nothing beats the feel of this frame.
     
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    OK, I pulled the trigger on the Gar100. I'm going to try to get "used to it" in stock form (I liked it well enough originally)... before trying to customize.

    I could see adding 10 grams or so (and a leather grip)....down the road.

    Going to buy a variety of 16g poly to experiment with...
     
  48. tennisinoc

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    Black Widow 17 mains @ 52 lbs / Gosen 17 cross @ 56 lbs

    What did you end up with?
     
  49. Power Player

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    I went to the Head Speed MP. Why? I finally went modern and wanted something that was close to what I used this year (tecnifibre 315 ltd), just with more power.

    I play a very "modern game" I guess. Always have. Heavy spin and a 2 hander.

    The Prince for me did not play with enough power at the stock weight, and when I weighted it up it was amazing, but I used more energy than I prefer. The 345 gram sticks just tire me out over time. It takes weeks to build up, and then my body just says "go to bed dude".

    It sucked, but the reality is more stiffness and a little more beam width suits how I hit better now. Makes things easier. But the feel of that POG was just awesome.
     
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    ^ Awww, that's too bad! I'm really enjoy it at the moment.
    But I agree with you on how it doesn't have enough stock-power, but a bit too demanding leaded up.

    What constitutes a "modern" frame then? Stiffer and wider?
     

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