RG - Federer Setup this year

Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by ART ART, Jun 3, 2007.

  1. ART ART

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    Hi again, has you remenber last year I posted here Fed setup, from RG, so this morning before his match agaisn't the russian, we have here some rackets from him, to be strung in a range bettween 23/21.5 Kilos - 20/18.5 kilos, we have measure one of those rackets strung @22/20.5 kilos, so here it goes:
    RDC: 68
    Weight: 367gr
    Balance point: 31.8cm from the but cap
    Wilson Gut 1.25mm/AluPower 1.25mm
    Wilson overgrip.

    This racket seems to be a regular kfactor 90", no lead added under the grommets, we have check it, but we couldn't check it under the grip.

    Please do not ask names of the people working here, I´m sure you can understand it.

    Best Regards from Paris.
     
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  2. War Safin!

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    Pretty heavy for Federer?
     
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  3. vinnier6

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    i am too lazy, can someone translate the balance, weight, string tension into inches, ounces, lbs...thanks
     
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  4. tennisfa

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    50.6lbs/47.3lbs-44lbs/40.7lbs
    12.95 ounces
    8 points head light
    don't know how to calculate swingweight...
    strange... TW's specs are 9 points headlight. if there's no lead under bumper, shouldn't it be more headlight?......
     
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  5. iplaybetter

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    sounds like my racket, except for head size
     
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  6. nickb

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    Is it normal for him to string at 40??...seems very low even for Fed.
     
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  7. vinnier6

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    thanks for the conversions....
     
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    what to say about Volandri...i'm not surprised of anything these days.
     
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    Thank you very much for taking the time to do the measurments and post them here.

    A lot of people appreciate it. regards.
     
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  10. Richie Rich

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    don't some of the players use a heavier than normal racquet for playing on clay?
     
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  11. jmverdugo

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    I was thinking the same, maybe this is the reason of the lastly (poor) results of Fed, he increased the weight of the racket to get some help playing (nadal) on clay. He was just getting use to the new weight.
     
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  12. rabidcow

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    If only someone could get there hands on one of these blacked out racquets........
     
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  13. jakshemash

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    ART ART, did it say: MADE IN CHINA under the bridge of the racquet or was it under the bit of the racquet where it says DESIGNED IN THE USA. Thanks for the original info.
     
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    Thanks for the info.!
     
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  15. My k90 was 13.1 ounces STOCK. So his weight isn't that big a deal. It's less than what mine arrived at from TW.
     
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    thanks for the specs....the weight is not heavy at all

    the only thing which surprises me is the low end of one of his string tensions...if its calculated properly....40 lbs

    usually he goes 45-50...

    about the issue of not seeing any lead tape, good observation...whatever weight his racquet is, its already in the frame

    if federer and i have the same frame and we both wanted to add x grams to it, i would add it by applying lead tape, and his would be added by making a new frame with the desired weight

    i dont understand why this is such a difficult concept for a lot of the posters here who question it...federer probably wants his frames to look clean with no sticky lead tape on it so the additional weight he wants is already in the racquet

    thanks for the specs once again :)
     
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  17. Buckeye10s

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    So it looks like he isn't using ALU Rough now... Good info!
     
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  18. vinnier6

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    yea, but you cant swing your k90 like he can, so it doesnt really matter what your racquet weighs...
     
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  19. Mad iX

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    Believe it or not, swingweight for even casual players does matter.
    Obviously, none of us can play like Federer, but we aren't trying to beat Nadal and win the French Open either.
    Swingweight is preference, not skill.
     
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  20. ART ART

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    Hi again, I didn't take a deep look at his rackets, since we are working a litle hard around here ;)
    But one of my partners says that Rogers rackets are very identical to the regular K90.
    Same space for the string holes, same grip lenght, but we notice that some has the new K90 buttcapp and some use the ncode butcapp, strange thing. But all of them seems to be identical, except for the old butcapp on some.
    For the tension he uses, you would be surprised how low we are stringing some rackets around here... example: Davidenco strung range: 25/24Kilos to 21/20kilos for his rackets; Robredo 26/25kilos to 21/20kilos; even Roddick strung some rackets at 23kilos. And yes the italian Volandri uses 17kilos in some rackets!
    For the weight, most rackets here weight around 365 to 375grams
    Regards.
     
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  21. BreakPoint

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    Not really, why? That's exactly how much my current US K90 weighs stock with an overgrip on it (12.9 oz.). I had one before that weighed 13.2 oz. stock with just an overgrip on it.
     
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  22. BreakPoint

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    That's just the spec. The racquet you actually get could be anything as the tolerances are quite generous.
     
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  23. BreakPoint

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    Same here. Federer's K90 sounds just like the weight of a regular stock K90.
     
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  24. BreakPoint

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    I don't think Federer has increased his weight at all from before. I think this is the same racquet and weight he has used for the past 5 years.
     
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    Of course it matters. It means that Federer is not weighing up his K90 from the stock weight as many people had previously believed.
     
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  26. baseliner87

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    great info thanks, surprinsing tension
     
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  27. Jack & Coke

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    in pounds..

    Davidenco: 55/53 lbs. to 46/44 lbs.
    Robredo: 57/55 lbs to 46/44 lbs.
    Roddick: 50 lbs.
    Volandri:37 lbs.

    37 lbs. ???

    is that right?

    :confused:
     
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  28. Rabbit

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    You didn't happen to notice a large sword-shaped weight at the top of his grip did you?
     
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  29. WhiteSox05CA

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    Interesting, so Federer is on the lighter end of the static weight spectrum for the ATP pros. Since his buttcap is different, and there is no lead under the bumper, he must have lead in the handle, or throat. Previously on these boards, someone ("alu16L") got a Federer racquet and said there was lead in the handle.

    Do pro's use different racquets for different surfaces? I didn't think so.
     
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  30. BreakPoint

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    But if Federer's racquet has lead in the handle then it should be heavier than the stock weight of 367 grams, right? But it's not.

    Yes, I've heard some pros (I guess not Federer though) do add or reduce their racquet's weight depending on the surface.

    BTW, a different butt cap means nothing. Since Federer was using the new K90 paintjob before it was released to retail, the factory probably didn't have any of the new K90 butt caps yet so they just threw on an older butt cap that they had in stock. I think many people here read too much into the meaning of a little insignificant thing like a butt cap.
     
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  31. PurePrestige

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    Well. It appears Federer is running close to stock specs for a US K90, at least in terms of weight.
    I think that its good enough that we know his weigh and balance now, but its not exactly perfect is it. Although the weight is certainly within production range for the K90's we dont have swingweight values which are equally important.
    Though its running similarly in static weight, it has a balance that doesnt seem to correspond with factory specs, because their heavier models tend to be more headlight while these specs seem a little too headheavy for stock.
     
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    ART ART thx a lot it means a lot to every1 here! =D
     
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  34. alan-n

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    Almost all head light racquets have lead in the handle from the factory.
     
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  35. nBladed

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    Doesn't Fed have a large built up butt cap? Shouldn't there be some weight there?
     
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    The fact that he can get as much wrist in his shots as he does with his stick is pretty impressive. He doesn't seem to have big arms or wrists, just great flexibility.
     
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    "Do pro's use different racquets for different surfaces? I didn't think so."

    Wrong.....many (including Fed) change their weight and balance for different surfaces. If they change strings and tensions for different surfaces its not a big surprise that some change the weight of their racuquets depending on the surface.

    I think someone also said he goes lighter for Wimbledon.
     
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  38. Povl Carstensen

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    I guess with an overgrip, and the slightly heavy gut/alu strings, the racket would come very close to these specs with no lead. And he does not need lead at the top of the handle, since this is part of the k-factor "center of gravity" technique (or what they call it).
     
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  39. RJYU

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    Interesting. My name is Ron Yu, and I work with Nate Ferguson at Priority One. We're currently here in Paris stringing for seven players. One of these players is Roger Federer. I suppose most of you will have to either believe ART ART or myself. No worries, it doesn't make much difference to me, but I wanted to at least attempt to set the record straight.

    Due to contractual stipulations, I won't go into specific racquet specs (Sorry, and I hope that most of you understand). I will mention one inaccuracy from the original post though. Roger is using Wilson gut 1.30mm in the mains with ALU Power Rough in the crosses, just as he's always used ever since he became a client of Priority One back in 2004. Nate and I travel to all the Grand Slam and Masters Series events to string for clients, and one of us has strung Roger's racquets at every one of these tournaments since Hamburg 2004. We certainly hope that this relationship will continue throughout the rest of his career.




    Best Regards,

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    is 55/53 the numbers of LBS strung for mains/crosses??

    or is 55/53 (mains) and 46/44(crosses)

    i would understand if it's the warm up session for the FO to have players playing around with tension, but this seems to be a bit late in the game to have tension that far apart on your racquets??
     
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  41. jakshemash

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    Ron, could you tell me whether or not the made in china is under the designed in the USA on his racquet or under the bridge of the racquet where it says WILSON. Sorry if i asked a question you can't answer. Just tell me you can't answer

    P.S I was going to enquire about how ART ART got the info as i thought you guys at P1 did fed's customizations, but i got back from school and you ahd already sort of done that for me.


    Thanks anyway
     
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  42. BreakPoint

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    I'm sorry but why does it matter where on the racquet it says "Made in China"? The Asian K90's don't even say "Made in China" anywhere on the frame. As far as the regular K90's, when they first came out they had "Made in China" printed under the bridge of the throat, but more recent production has moved the "Made in China" decal (also a smaller font) to the inside of the throat under the "Designed in USA" decal. But it's still the same racquet, as just a decal was moved, just like earlier production had "[K]arbon Black" on them and more recent production have "[K]arophite Black" on them. Again, it's still the same racquet so why should it matter? :confused:
     
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  43. BreakPoint

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    Thanks for chiming in and posting Ron. :D

    I totally understand that you're not allowed to post Federer's actual racquet specs, but are you able to say whether or not the racquet specs that ART ART posted are either close to being correct or are they way off?

    Thanks
     
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  44. RJYU

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    Breakpoint, ART ART specs are somewhat close. Not right on, but they are in the neighborhood. His tensions for here in Paris are a little high though. Nate is stringing for Roger here, and Roger's tensions have varied from 20 to 21 in the mains, with the crosses always being strung 1.5 kilos looser.

    All the work done for me here in Paris. I'm off to London on Thursday, and Nate stays here in Paris as long as a client is still in.

    Best Regards,

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    Thanks Ron!

    Since you're already leaving Paris, I guess that means you're not the one that personally strings Federer's racquets then, right? ;)

    Have a good trip to London. :-D
     
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    Hey Mr. Yu,
    Since you work with Andy Murray would you be able to give us an approx. SW.(That's unless you use differenct machines that don't calculate SW the way we know it ie. 330)
    The info. i've been given is that his Beast is 350g unstrung with monstrous amounts of lead under the CAP grommets



    EDIT: ohh are you still renting the cottage in Wimbledon where you filmed the short programme for the BBC before the '05 final where you looked at Fed. and Roddick's rackets
     
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  47. mellofelow

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    Less than 50lbs??!! But since he uses them for less than 10 games at a time, it's more like us mortals using strings at 55+ after 10 hrs of play.
     
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  48. RJYU

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    Nate and I don't have a set schedule as to who strings Roger's racquets. As of now, I'll be stringing them at Wimbledon. I strung them in Melbourne as well, but since I have to be at Queen's by this weekend, it made more sense for Nate to string for Roger here in Paris. Either way, Roger is happy with Nate or myself stringing for him.

    As for Andy Murrray, he does not have a really heavy racquet overall, but the swingweight is quite high.

    Yes, Nate and I will be in the same flat in Wimbledon as usual. Its nice to be in the same place year after year. I'm still trying to get a copy of that BBC short program!
     
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  49. BreakPoint

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    I see. Thanks again, Ron! :D
     
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    Hey, add me to the list, I may (and thats a MAY) still have a VHS (haha i know) of the '05 final but I'm not sure if it was recorded early enough for the expo.
    The reason it's a may is that I loan the 04 or 05 final to a friend who I don't see anymore and he never returned it.!

    I'll have a look if you'd like but it'd take a few days
     
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