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    No. I get frustrated with Americans. I believe if you stopped what you were doing and looked at the evidence with an open mind, you would be convinced. I have no doubt in mind about that. A government carrying out what is called a "false flag" operation is not unheard of. In fact, false flags are a part of history. It's just a difficult reality to accept, that the government is capable and willing to carry out such an operation, but people should realize that the government is nothing more than very organized crime. Their lies have been exposed ad nauseam in the mainstream.

    The question of "why would they" has already been answered. It's obvious: more power. The question of "why wouldn't they" is more significant. Do you think the government really cares about 3,000 American lives? More than that have already died in Iraq, a war based on blatant deception. Death is inconsequential to them.
     
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    What proof do you have, other than circumstantial evidence, hearsay, and strawman arguments?

    Look at it this way - do you really think the Bush administration, which failed in its attempts to cover up so many things - the torturing at Guantanamo, the Scooter Libby situation, among others - would be competent enough to pull off a cover up of this magnitude without anyone speaking out and telling the press about it? As many enemies as Bush has made, you're telling me no one would come out and bury him for killing thousands of innocent Americans in the biggest tragedy in America's history? Everyone has covered his ass on this one? Even I don't believe that.
     
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    First, circumstantial evidence can be incredibly helpful. And what strawman arguments are you referring to? You probably think Osama Bin Laden was behind the attacks, yet even the FBI has admitted that there is no hard evidence linking him to the crime. Go to their website. The 9/11 attacks aren't even listed under his name for crimes committed.

    The government can keep secrets pretty well when it has to. You seem to be missing the point, and, in turn, are spouting the same old line: "the government is too incompetent to keep such a secret". It gets old. Frankly, Bush could never be directly linked to the 9/11 attacks. He probably had no major role in the attacks whatsoever, only a role in promoting the official story afterwards. We have government agencies whose primary role is to keep secrets, and they do it very well. Do you think JFK was really killed by lone gunman Oswald? That secret has been kept pretty tight.

    The point is: you haven't seen the evidence. So stop spouting your mouth off and go look at it. The evidence is absolute conclusive: there were controlled demolitions at the World Trade Center on 9/11. It's indisputable.
     
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    holocaust deniers
     
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    you're an idiot if you think that 9/11 was staged.
     
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  7. the most idiotic thing a person can do is to call someone an idiot and assume the statement stands for itself. in order to get away with calling someone an idiot without demonstrating their idiocy, you need to be a recognized scholar and the person you're accusing of being an idiot needs to be substantially, and demonstrably below your level of intelligence and scholarship. if you aren't a scholar, and you're calling someone an idiot, you're a d-bag.

    feel free to call storm an idiot; but make at least a half-assed effort to try to convince others that you're right.
     
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    I believe you only prove my point about the intelligence of the average American with this drivel.
     
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    It's really not necessary to spell out why Storm is an idiot for believing this stuff. Let say someone says: "Anyone who thinks Federer is a bad tennis player is an idiot". Now, is it really necessary to demonstrate exactly how and why that person is an idiot? No. The stupidity of that belief speaks for itself.

    Similarly, Storm's idiocy in regards to 9/11 is obvious, so ubermeyer need offer nothing further to buttress his statement.
     
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    Classic example of tin foil hat stinkin' thinkin'. In some ways, it's this kind of stupidity that bothers me more than the larger stupities of CT'ers.

    Here's the facts regarding this particular idiocy: The FBI apparently does not currently possess enough evidence to charge Bin Laden in connection with 9/11, or at least, has not stated so publicly yet on their website.

    And that's it. This does not mean the FBI has "admitted that there is no hard evidence linking him to the crime". It does not mean the FBI does not think he was involved in 9/11.

    Do you get the distinction? I'm thinking you don't... Because you nitwits can never grasp the simplest things. It's the same kind of stinkin' thinkin' that insists Obama's failure to cooperate with loonies asking for his birth certificate can only mean that he has something to hide.

    God, I hate this kind of stupidity....
     
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    This is the kind of misinformation you have to wade through to see the truth. It's a good thing I feel occasionally compelled to read heycal's nonsense because he misleads people without regard for truth:

    http://www.twf.org/News/Y2006/0608-BinLaden.html
     
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    Thanks for keeping us all safe Stormy :razz:
     
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    Close to an oxymoron.

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    Setting aside your suspect source for this -- a typical fringe website that links to another fringe website -- are you suggesting the FBI does not think Bin Laden was involved in 9/11?
     
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    Except there's a mountain of compelling evidence proving that's exactly what did happen.

    You left that part out.
     
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    If the FBI had evidence to indict Bin Laden then they would formally accuse him of doing so. They don't have that evidence. If Rex Tomb was misquoted, he could have publicly stated so. When you have the evidence, you indict. It's that simple.

    The FBI can't "think". It's an organization made up of hundreds of people.
     
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    You mean, assuming that A) This guy is even aware he's been misquoted on some fringe website, or B) cares that he's been misquoted on some fringe website.

    Are you suggesting the FBI does not believe Bin Laden was involved in 9/11?

    You can continue ducking, or you answer the question.
     
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    Is the FBI an individual that can believe or disbelieve something? What a stupid question. Why do they formally accuse Bin Laden of the USS Cole bombing and not 9/11?
     
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    Why you are yammering on along this lame "FBI is not an invidividual" dodge? It's a waste of time and makes you look stupid(er).

    Do you think the FBI -- or the top individuals who work there, if you insist -- believe Bin Laden was not involved in 9/11? Yes or no?

    There seem to be two explanations for why this might be so: A) They don't "think" he was involved in 9/11. B) They do "think" he was involved, but don't have enough evidence yet.

    So which do you think is the correct explanation?

    Time to tell us where you stand and quit dodging already.
     
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    A quick glance at the link reveals the title "A day with an extra-terresterial". Since Storm believes every crazy thing under the sun, I think we should assume he believes whatever this loony is claiming and move on.
     
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    You freakin humans just aren't ready for the truth :(
     
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    Silence....
     
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    2012 End of the World
    Jesus Christ's existence
     
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    New World Order

    2012 .. saw some youtubes that had me crapping in my shorts last night, haha!!!
    I think some people *are* gonna die of fright, those who believe the propaganda ... (maybe even scaredy susceptible types like me !)
     
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    Ridiculous conspiracy theories:
    That there is some immortal being in the center of the earth that is conspiring to bring down mankind.
     
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    i watched all the docus regarding the 2012 phenomena
    and it is scary as hell

    the funniest part of 2012 is the 30 feet tall aliens are going to land on earth and will **** us ( Literally )
    they call them the nephilium or something ( the fallen angel )
    imagine their penis size
     
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    I don't think he need bother, since there are thousands of people on the surface who are doing an excellent job.
     
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    In my previous life, I read a scientific article that debunked 17 foot tall humans, and huge ants/insects (taken from mythology and cave drawings etc). It talked of the skeletons and bones that would not be able to withstand the weights etc. Can't remember, but in a nutshell said our current height is about the tallest that is feasible/practical. Similary, those huge ants we read of in sci-fi books -- not happening.

    I think, like y2k, 2012 will come and go, thankfully that will be the LAST time in a several thousand years that anyone will fall for the "the world is about to end" stuff. Am more concerned about pollution and war, frankly.

    Maybe life is awfully boring for a lot of people, can't really blame them for believing in all kinds of outlandish things, (considering I try to pass off many hours reading this forum myself !) Hundred years is an awfully long time to live if ye ask me.

    Hey wait, seems like my sister just gave birth to a boy .... bye.
     
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    I hear Venus is beautiful this time of year: Reuters is reporting that Miyuki Hatoyama, Japan's next first lady, claims she was abducted by aliens and taken to Venus. The new prime minister's wife wrote a book last year called, "Very Strange Things I've Encountered," in which she describes her close encounter:

    "While my body was asleep, I think my soul rode on a triangular-shaped UFO and went to Venus. It was a very beautiful place and it was really green."
    Eh, alien abductions are a dime a dozen — but how many people can claim that they knew Tom Cruise in a previous life? When he was Japanese? The Independent reports that Mrs. Hatoyama and Tom Cruise are old pals: "I believe he'd get it if I said to him, 'Long time no see', when we meet," she said in a recent interview.
     
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    Makes total sense!! They brainwashed me as a child but I'm "reborn" again!!

    Socialist Men Under a Red Father. LOL
     
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    congrats on being an uncle
    Well I believe conspiracy theories gives a person "purpose" to live, and of course the passion

    Guess its like a religion you get that special feeling that "you" are the one who knows the ultimate truth..pretty uplifting feeling

    I used to be a christian and its gave me an invincible feeling and to be honest I really wish I wasn't exposed to the truth

    Truth hurts...
     
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    What's with all the ****ing smurf bashing?
     
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    Nope, that was someone else. My sister is expecting in a month.

    I agree with line one -- the purpose it gives...the special feeling. I have also read that there are people who like to give up their freedom, to someone else, have someone else make their decisions, to be led by someone else, sort of a slave mentality -- but i can't say for sure.

    I don't know what you mean by the bolded part, maybe it was not the truth. The truth liberates you, it is the only thing that can get us out of suffering. However, i do not mean *hearing* or reading the truth, or understanding it at a mental level, but knowing/experiencing/realizing it so it is your experienced/unshakable reality.
     
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    Then he (Storm) could be an alien reincarnated as a human. They are the only types who believe in nonsensical outlandish things.



    ;-)
     
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    Who's to say that all humans aren't descendants of aliens in one way or another? Maybe that is why there are so many people that think the same way as storm, believing that indeed some conspiracies do exist. If someone spelled out Iran Contra in detail but did not mention names a lot of people would think it was too ridiculous to be true. Govt. agency selling coke to buy bullets and arms for our enemies... could never happen.
     
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    If you argue with an idiot, it only only makes you an idiot. Arguing with an idiot is like punching jelly. It just wobbles around.

    The moon is made of cheese. Try to disprove it. Any logical argument you make will just be rebutted by some other nutbag argument.

    Maybe the earth is flat and everything we have been told is fake.

    Maybe the sun does go around the earth. Disprove that.

    Maybe the earth is hollow, or full of cheese, or whatever else that nutbag keeps raving about. Can you prove it is not made of cheese?
     
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    ^^ How would our being descendants of aliens make us suspect this way.

    If i were adopted by a loving couple I really would not know unless my parents (or someone) told me.

    Also the difference of coming from another planet is imo just an artificial distinction just like the countries we have made on earth. What difference does it make which part of the universe we actually originate from. Why would i feel living here, that i actually originate from elsewhere.

    Do Americans have this feeling that they originate from Europe ? Or Pangaea ?

    Okay, do some people like Storm feel out of place in a human body or among humans ?
     
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    You claimed that these were the type of people that believed outlandish things.
     
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    Some from the board:

    That Jolly is a 5.0 or better
    That Sup is a 3.5
    That Drakulie really does like Volkl & NBM
    That I'm a TWMac stalker.
    That there is a large number of TW members in Alabama.
     
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    that fluoride added to USA drinking water will kill you.

    That Halle Berry and Denzel Washington were a shoe in to win Their Oscar in 2002 because Sidney Poitier was being awarded his Honorary Oscar.
     
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    I did put a smiley there, in case people did not catch on to the irony .... i guess it was a humor fail !!! :-(
     
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    To some of you calling others names (and I am guilty of that as well) ... this thread IS about controversial theories/beliefs.

    If we call each other names for believing in something that is not mainstream science, then this thread is of no use. Then its just a humor thread and will die in 2 days. Lets allow people to have their say ...
    After all, once scientists actually did insist the Earth was the center of the universe, then it became the Sun, etc etc.

    At the same time, iirc, 9/11 has been beaten to death in another thread. Lets leave it out from here.

    Cheers.
     
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    Sentinel actually is from Zeta Ridiculum.
     
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    There is life on Uranus -- although its mostly bacterial / microbial.
     
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