Rivalries at all 4 Slams

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  1. krosero

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    How many rivalries cover all the bases, with meetings at all four Slams?

    Sampras and Agassi met at all four. So did Lendl and McEnroe.

    Some others that are missing a "leg":

    Wilander and Lendl never met at Wimbledon.

    Becker and Lendl never met at RG.

    Rosewall and Laver never met at AO or USO.

    Borg and Connors never met at AO or FO. Same was true for Borg and McEnroe.

    Becker and Edberg never met at AO or USO.

    Federer and Nadal have still not met at the USO.

    And so on.
     
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    I don't have time to check but I would guess that Roy Emerson and some players like Fred Stolle or Cliff Drysdales may have met at all the majors.

    It's tough for players like Laver and Rosewall because they weren't originally playing the majors at the same time as amateurs and their were so many boycotts when Open tennis started.
     
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  3. krosero

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    True about Laver and Rosewall. They never met at AO and USO, for example, but they only ever played two AO's in common (1969 and '71, which were the two AO's in the early Open Era in which most of the top players were able to participate without political or other problems intervening).

    Edit: and yet the only two times in their entire careers that Laver and Rosewall both played at Roland Garros were 1968-69. And they met in the final both years, so go figure.
     
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    Courier and Edberg met at all 4 slams too. Courier won 4 of their 6 slam matches.

    1991 Australian Open R16: Stefan Edberg def. Jim Courier (4-6, 6-0, 6-4, 5-7, 6-2)
    1991 French Open QF: Jim Courier def. Stefan Edberg (6-4, 2-6, 6-3, 6-4)
    1991 US Open F: Stefan Edberg def. Jim Courier (6-2, 6-4, 6-0)
    1992 Australian Open F: Jim Courier def. Stefan Edberg (6-3, 3-6, 6-4, 6-2)
    1993 Australian Open F: Jim Courier def. Stefan Edberg (6-2, 6-1, 2-6, 7-5)
    1993 Wimbledon SF: Jim Courier def. Stefan Edberg (4-6, 6-4, 6-2, 6-4)
     
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    There's also Sampras and Courier, where Sampras won 6 of their 8 slam meetings.

    1991 US Open QF: Jim Courier def. Pete Sampras (6-2, 7-6, 7-6)
    1992 US Open SF: Pete Sampras def. Jim Courier (6-1, 3-6, 6-2, 6-2)
    1993 Wimbledon F: Pete Sampras def. Jim Courier (7-6, 7-6, 3-6, 6-3)
    1994 Australian Open SF: Pete Sampras def. Jim Courier (6-3, 6-4, 6-4)
    1994 French Open QF: Jim Courier def. Pete Sampras (6-4, 5-7, 6-4, 6-4)
    1995 Australian Open QF: Pete Sampras def. Jim Courier (6-7, 6-7, 6-3, 6-4, 6-3)
    1995 US Open SF: Pete Sampras def. Jim Courier (7-5, 4-6, 6-4, 7-5)
    1996 French Open QF: Pete Sampras def. Jim Courier (6-7, 4-6, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4)
     
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    We have two more.

    Also, McEnroe and Wilander:

    1989 Wimbledon QF
    1985 USO SF
    1985 RG SF
    1983 AO SF
    1983 RG QF

    They also met in Davis Cup and the Masters.

    Lendl and Mac met at all 4 Slams, Davis Cup, the Masters, and they had some tough matches at the Dallas WCT Finals (those two met everywhere).
     
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    I have another. Hewitt vs. Roddick. Hewitt has won 3 of their 5 slam meetings.

    2001 French Open R32: Lleyton Hewitt def. Andy Roddick (6-7, 6-4, 2-2 ret.)
    2001 US Open QF: Lleyton Hewitt def. Andy Roddick (6-7, 6-3, 6-4, 3-6, 6-4)
    2005 Australian Open SF: Lleyton Hewitt def. Andy Roddick (3-6, 7-6, 7-6, 6-1)
    2006 US Open QF: Andy Roddick def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-3, 7-5, 6-4)
    2009 Wimbledon QF: Andy Roddick def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-3, 6-7, 7-6, 4-6, 6-4)
     
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    A couple of women offhand, the easy ones Evert vs Navratilova, Graf vs Seles,
     
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  9. krosero

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    Lenglen and Wills.

    J/K.

    Keep 'em coming.

    I thought maybe Lendl and Edberg, but they never met at RG.

    Federer has never beaten Roddick or Hewitt at RG. Never beaten Davydenko at Wimbledon. Not that interesting as rivalries but I'm just wondering who Federer has met at all four Slams.
     
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    Court and Goolagong, I just thought of them because they obviously played the AO a lot, and met a couple of times there. But never met at RG.

    Similarly Court and King met everywhere but RG.

    King and Goolagong met everywhere but AO.
     
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    for the women:

    rivals that met in all slams:
    serena and venus
    serena and justine
    kim and justine
    hingis and venus
    graf and sanchez-vicario

    those that are "missing a leg":
    davenport and venus (didn't meet at the french open)
    davenport and hingis (no matches on grass)
    hingis and serena (no meetings at french and wimbledon)
    capriati and serena (no matches in australia)
    navratilova and seles (no meetings in australia and france because martina didn't play those tournaments anymore during seles' prime)
     
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    for the men:

    nadal hasn't played djokovic at the australian open
    federer hasn't played djokovic at roland garros
     
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    Jimmy Connors played his good friend Vitas Gerulaitis in the R16 at the 76 US Open, and then in the '80 Wimbledon SF and in the '80 French Open SF. Yet, they didn't play at the Australian Open. Connors only played there in '73 and '74. Connors lost to Newcombe in the '74 AO final.
     
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    Navratilova never met Graf at Australia, Evert never saw Goolagong at RG, or Hana at Australia But Chris met Steffi at all 4.
     
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    Margaret Court and Maria Bueno met at all four majors.

    Sampras and Michael Chang met at all four majors.

    Sampras and Todd Martin met at all four majors.

    Probably the majority of the names will be in the last 25 or so years since players started playing all four majors around then.
     
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  16. krosero

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    But their USO meeting was a walkover.

    They had 1 meeting at each of the other three (85 RG, 88 AO, 89 W).
     
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    Thanks for that chart! So we can add these:

    Sampras- Philippoussis
    Sampras-Tillstrom
    Leconte-Mansdorf
    Federer-Kiefer
    Safin-Rochus
    Henman-Tursunov

    Seems that Sampras is involved in more of these than anybody else.
     
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    Of course you are right! And Chris never met Court at Australia but played her at all three other venues in 1973 - and lost two of them!
     
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    Was just looking up Vitas' record at the AO. It seems he never won any matches there except the year he won the title, 1977. He also played in 1980, 83 and 84, but each time he lost the first match he played (which was sometimes the second round, after receiving a bye in the first).

    So Connors and Gerulaitis are just missing the AO meeting. Same was true with Connors-McEnroe, Connors-Lendl, and Borg-Gerulaitis.

    Minor correction: Jimmy and Vitas played at Wimbledon in '78.
     
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    And Chris never met BJK at RG. Also true of Court and Nav.

    King and Goolagong never met at AO.

    Navratilova and Goolagong never met at USO.
     
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    But here's one: Navratilova and Mandlikova met at all four.
     
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    Correct, it was 1978, not 1980 at Wimbledon, good catch. That's interesting about Vitas at the Australian. I didn't realize that. The breadth of the rivalries that Connors had is amazing.
     
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    ¿What about Becker and Edberg? I think they met at RG, surely at W and I cannot remember if they ever played against each other at the USO or AO.But they played many times against at WCT finals,Masters and Davis Cup.
     
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    Connors and Mc played everywhere except the AO.But, if you add WCT Finals ( 3 matches, 2 to Mc 1 to Jimbo) and 2 Masters matches ( won both by Mc)...
     
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    Borg and Vilas met everywhere except the AO, which was skipped by almost any top player in the mid 70´s...excepting Vilas ( and ocassionally, Gerulaitis or Tanner).

    Borg and Vilas also played at the WCT Finals in 1976, and many more Masters matches ( Vilas beat Borg in 74, while Borg beat Vilas in 75 and 77).
     
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    Ashe and Borg played each other at Wim, Forest Hills, WCT, Masters and Davis Cup. Laver and Emerson resp. Laver and Fraser played each other at all majors.
     
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    True.

    Laver did meet Rosewall at several U.S. Pro Championships on grass: in 1963, 1965, and 1966.

    No Aussies Championships.
     
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    Okay, so two more rivalries.

    Interesting that Laver and Emmo met in the finals at three Slams, all except at Wimbledon where they met in at least one quarterfinal (1960).

    And same pattern for Laver-Fraser: finals in three Slams, except at RG.

    Emerson-Stolle would qualify, if they ever met at RG (they met in the finals of the other three).

    And in the finals in all four places, impressive. In fact, other than Chris and Martina, has anyone else done this, among men or women?
     
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    They met at all four in 1981!

    I will never ever post on memory again ever!! This is very embarrassing! As for King we could simplify things by saying King met almost nobody of merit at RG! She hated Europe; she hated clay.
     
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    Never met at USO or AO (covered in opening post).

    They also never met at USO.
     
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    Krosero: "..And in the finals in all four places, impressive. In fact, other than Chris and Martina, has anyone else done this, among men or women?"


    Graf and Seles
     
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    And Venus and Serena.

    Gotta hope that Federer and Nadal make a USO final before they're through ...
     
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    I looked pretty hard, and could not find a meeting between Stolly and Emmo at RG.
     
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    LOL At least you looked! Now you are Solomon and I...not so much
     
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  37. Jack Romeo

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    also graf and sanchez-vicario
     
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    Vilas beats Borg in Masters 1974 and 1975 (7/5 4/6 6/1).
     
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    True, Borg lost to Vilas in the 1975 Masters, I had it wrong.In those days, players " played" with the RR system so to avoid facing a non wanted player in the SF ( remember Lendl and Connors at the 1980 Masters, when Connors called Lendl " chicken"???).

    I´m not taking anything out from Guillermo, whom I supported many times vs Borg, but in 1975 Borg had already stablished a real domination in their H2H matches, so I honestly doubt if Borg was not playing with the " system".
     
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    I suposed it was already talked, but Lendl and Wilander played against each other in any possible surface:

    Clay : RG 1982,1984,1985,1987
    Cement: USO 1982,1983,1987,1988
    Grass: AO 1983
    Carpet: Masters Tournament 1987 ( I might have forgotten another Masters match between Ivan and Mats, probably)

    Wilander won 4 of those matches, Lendl won 6.That is a real rivalry on top of the world, isn´t it?
     
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    Lendl and Wilander met in the semi finals of the Masters in December 1986.
     
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    My favorite rivalry of the 80s, actually.
     
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    fed hasn't played djoker at wimbledon either
     
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    IMO, the 80´s could be divided in 2 parts:

    1980-1984: Mc almost singlehandedly was aprt of 3 sensational rivalries: vs Connors,vs Borg,vs Lendl.Then he faded away, Connors grew older and Borg had retired.

    1985-1989: Lendl vs Wilander, but also Becker vs Edberg dominated that frame with their great rivalries.
     
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    in 69 Laver and Roche met at 3 of the 4 GS, Laver having the edge always.

    They played a terrific 5 setter at the AO, a 4 setter at Forest Hills ( which gave Laver the Gran Slam) and a 4 setter at Wimbledon.They played everywhere except at Roland Garros ( which Laver won over Rosewall in straight sets)
     
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    I think that Borg played seriously and tried to win this match, because the result is 7/5 4/6 6/1, so the first set was 7/5 and he won the second. If he wanted to loose, I think that the result would be something like 6/4 6/1.
     
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    Yes, it could be.But Borg feared Nastase a lot more than Vilas on fast carpet; in fact, it was Nastase who played Vilas in the Sf...and then, in his last real great match of his career, completely destroyed Borg ( in front of home crowd at Stockholm, a sensational feat IMO)
     
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    Right.Back in thsoe days, Lendl appeared almost unbeatable on fast carpet, specially at the Masters.Curiously, Ivan´s domination at that event ( 5 titles, 3 of them in a run) would be comparable to Mac´s dominating the WCT Finals, played on the same Supreme carpet (Mac won 5 WCT titles).I loved those lendl vs Mac Enroe matches on Supreme, since both produced exhilarating tennis (Lendl in 1982-83 kick Mac´s but, and John did the same in the 1984-85 Masters finals their 1983 WCT Final was considered on the best indoor matches all time, along Laver-Rosewall 1972 and Sampras-Becker 1995)
     
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    Lendl and Connors met everywhere except the AO.
    Borg and Vilas never met at the AO neither at the USO
    Nwc and Roche never met at the AO...
     
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    Nadal and Murray have now met at all four.

    Federer and Djokovic now have a RG meeting but still nothing at Wimbledon.
     
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