Robin Soderling

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  1. Cesc Fabregas

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    What is it with the hype with this guy, since the French Open all I hear is Soderling this and Soderling that. Since the French, he lost in the 4th round of Wimbledon, lost in the 1st of Cincy to old man Hewitt, quarters of the US Open (courtesy of a retirement from Davydenko), got spanked by Djokovic in Beijing, got thrashed by Lopez in Shanghait (Lopez has barely strung 2 wins together all year and got beaten by Djokovic in Paris (Novak playing his worst match of the week). The guy aint that good, and will get crushed at the tour finals. Next year he will find his place between 15-20 when his ranking drops like a stone after he fails to defend his FO final result.
     
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    Act 1, Scene 1

    enter TheMagicianOfPrecision
     
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    :lol::lol::lol:
     
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    What is it with the hype with this guy, since the French Open all I hear is Nadal this and Nadal that. Since Rome, he got crushed by Fed in Madrid, lost in the 4th round of the French to an Indoors Specialist, didn't defend his Wimbledon title (great champion...), lost in the QF of Canada to Del Potro (courtesy of a retirement from Ferrer), got spanked by Djokovic in Cincy, got spanked by JMDP at USO, got thrashed by Cilic in Beijing, needed major chokes by Almagro and Robredo just to get spanked by Djokovic in Paris. The guy aint that good right now, and will get crushed at the tour finals.

    See how easy it is to be an annoying troll?
     
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    Soderling is playing pretty good, In fact I believe he will win the WTF tournament.
     
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    Well he lost to Federer, Djokovic, and lopez who has a head to head winning streak.

    Let me answer this. the hype is because he is in the top ten. So if you think he is not good tell me what world ranking you would be happy to have. I would be damn happy if I made it into the top 50.
     
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    His result was more impressive than Fed winning the whole thing.
     
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    Nadal is still #2, even after all this ups and downs from mid-late 2009... fighting for the year-end #1 position... and also quite a bit in front of Djokovic as well.
     
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    Well I have to admit that Soderling results were disappointing from Indoor events (especially losing to Lopez in Shanghai), he was quite impressive from RG until US Open (only losing to Federer and choked vs Hewitt in Cincy).

    That's the reason why he deserves the hype.
     
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  10. Do you have similar problems when other players have a breakthrough? Or is it just because he beat Nadal? Him being Swedish?

    Soderling lost to Federer in all slams except AO, in a GS-final, in R 16 and in a QF. Noone had tougher GS-opponents than Robin this year!
    He won his first clay-title beating lots of good Argentinians and Spanish players. He has had trouble with his elbow/arm since Washington thats why he has had some ups and downs.
    Sure he will probably never be Mr Consistency like Federer and Nadal but you are clearly underrating him and you make tons of excuses about his matches, Novak playing bad Davydenko retiring, you are like an ostridge who puts his head in the sand when trouble occurs.
    Soderling is a hell of a player and will stay in the top 10 a long time imo.
    He might not defend his FO-runner up BUT he has basically no points to defend until the FO. I see him doing well at for example Doha, AO,IW,Miami where he will gain lots of points is he injury-free.
     
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    Soderling is top 10 in the world, doesn't stop Cesc and co from downtalking him in every thread...talk about sour grapes....
     
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    The guy beat Nadal in the FO 4th round, a Nadal who looked totally fine thrashing Hewitt the previous round 6-1,6-3, 6-1.
     
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    What is it with the hype with this guy, since the French Open all I hear is Agassi this and Agassi that. Since the French, he wrote a book. And that is all.
     
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    Shanghai was actually an outdoors event this year.
     
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    It's in retaliation for TMOP's incessant bagging on Nadal :lol:
     
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    Actually... it was indoor/outdoor :wink:
     
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    Hm,who's hyping him actually? Aside from TMOP(the guy's Sweden for chirssakes and they had sort of a drought of talent lately so what Robin did this year was big news)nobody's really hyping him and the vast majority of Nadal fans in this forum are constantly calling him a clown,journeyman and similar stuff.If anything overall the guy isn't given much credit(or none at all in Nadal fans case)for his FO run.
     
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    Let's face it... Soderling can serve well and hit hard... and that's about it. When those two components of his game are working his results are good. When they aren't his results are terrible.

    It was hilarious watching Feliciano Lopez deconstruct him with some simple slice BH's.
     
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    Most of the vocal Sampras fans were expecting Nadal to win the FO this year and give Roger another beatdown so they can talk about it. Soderling spoiled the show for them.
     
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    Soderling lost to Lopez when they closed the roof.

    For all intents and purposes, it was an indoor match when he lost.

    Just sayin'
     
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    Nadal fans were bagging on Soderling constantly ever since FO.Yeah TMOP can't stand Nadal but don't use him as an excuse,Nadal fans just don't like the fact that Robing beat Nadal at FO this year,period.It was a similar case with Fed fans and Novak when he beat him at AO last year.
     
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  22. Im not hyping him, im realizing how good he actually is. Beating Nadal Davydenko and Gonzalez on clay is not just a fluke!
    Beating Davydenko consistently, of course im happy for him and Swedish tennis.
    We really need this.
    According to Cesc and some other Nadal fans Soderling should be 100 in the world
     
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    The guy ain't that good huh? So you decided to start a thread about him? Do you check under your bed every night if Soderling's there? Do you toss and turn in your sleep wearing that pink Nadal shirt and having vivid nightmares about that very unfortunate day? Rest in peace Cesc........
     
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    Oh right right, that's where they had the retractable roof. I remember now.

    My apologies :p
     
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    He's really not that good as his overall results show. He has two major components in his game that allow him wins (when he's 'on')... serving hard/hitting hard. He just happens to be a poor matchup for Nadal on hardcourts when he's 'on'.

    Nadal beat him 6-0, 6-1 on clay right before the FO (he was obviously 'off' that day) :oops:
     
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    I agree that Nadal fans bash the heck out of the guy mainly because he beat their boy on his turf and I agree that Soderling played some great tennis at FO this year and played solid at Wimbledon and USO as well.He earned his top 10 ranking fair and square but it still remains to be seen if he can become a regular top 10 player as he's very likely to lose points at FO this year.

    He had sort of a breakthrough this year so I will wait a bit more before I form my opinion on him.
     
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    For somebody who some people think he shoudn't be where he is at, Soderling did very well this year.
     
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  28. Yes he is.
    Oh, so what major components does Nadal have? Djokovic? Murray? Del Potro? Verdasco?
     
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    To be fair, there's been a lot of ill will since Nadal played Soderling at Wimbledon

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    alot of Nadal fans were annoyed with Soderling because of the match in Rome where he tried to cheat and argued with the umpire.

    There is precedent in Nadal fans hating on Soderling, it's not just because of the loss.

    Just sayin'
     
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    Soderling's ATP point total 2009

    Nadal 9,205 at 18 tournaments (including missing defending his Wimby title)
    Soderling 3,010 at 26 tournaments

    Nadal 511 points per tournament played (average)
    Soderling 116 points per tournament played (average)

    Nadal's results are nearly 4.5x better than Soderling's results.

    :oops:
     
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    I think you're overstating the "hype". Seems like you're building Soderling up just to tear him down.

    There really is no huge hype. Soderling was always a talented, if second tier player, who usually lost by the third round of a Slam. He broke through and made the FO final. And, then contiued his progress by living up to (or exceeding) his seeding by reaching the 4th Round of Wimbledon and the QFs of the USO, where both times he lost to Fed in fairly decent matches (especially the USO match where he got killed the first two sets and came back to nearly take it to a fifth set). These were his best results ever at these Slams.

    He's basically played more consistently than he has at any time in his career and has jumped up a level from a 25-35 ranked player to a 10-15 ranked player.

    I don't know of anyone who thinks he's the sport's next great superstar or who thinks he will suddenly win Slams. He's merely a guy who can get to the second week of Slams and has the talent such that he could (not will) cause problems for the higher ranked players, whether than means upsetting them, or simply giving them a tougher match than the "old" Soderling would have.

    It's really nothing more than that. He's confident now, and it's nice to see him parlay his FO success into a higher spot in the rankings.
     
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    No one's saying Soderling is better than Nadal, just saying to give the man his just due for having a top 10 season this year, and don't down talk him, saying he's overhyped, etc. I don't think anyone (maybe TMOP) is saying Sod is even in Nadal's league career or talent wise. Just saying don't disrespect the man when people are just giving him his just due for what he's been able to accomplish this year. Making a slam final on his least favorite surface and backing it up w/ solid results the rest of the year certainly deserves some recognition, and his spot at the YEC has been earned.
     
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  33. God I wish Soderling will spank Nadal`s ass and get through to the semifinals...:???:
     
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  34. Good post, agree.
    No, not even TMOP is saying that, of course not.
     
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    I think you'll implode if Soderling loses to Nadal :shock:
     
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    HaHa....Funny post JBfan.

    To OP, the guy hammered prime Nadal at RG, in what has to be the biggest upset in FO history. Soderling deserves the hype.
     
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    Soderling's been doing quite well this year. He spanked Nadal at FO, had a chance to beat Fed at Us OPen, then went on to beat Davydenko in Paris... He's been more impressive than Verdasco recently.

    The reason why Nadal fans don't like him may be because these 2 have a history between them going back to Wimby 07. And watching him beat Nadal at the French of all tournaments must have rubbed it in even more painfully.
     
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  38. That would upset me,Yes.
    But if that would happen i will say -well done Nadal, and focus on my main man instead.
     
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    No, many people dislike Sod because he can be an arrogant pecker on and off court. Nadal will always be a better and more successful tennis player as his results and accomplishments demonstrate :)
     
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    Does it make you feel better that Nadal and Soderling buried the hatchet and were seen practicing with each other recently?
     
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    You're right that there are other reasons as well(and I'm far from saying that Soderling's an innocent flower)but it got worse tenfold ever since he beat Nadal at the FO.I mean I remember one Nadal fan even compared him to Hitler,I mean jeez.

    I don't particulary care about him one way or another and heck I'll probably even root for Nadal if they play at TMC but he earned his ranking fair and square and for me atleast it's always nice to see players who are known to have potential but are held back because their mental game have a breakthrough like Soderling and Verdasco had this year.
     
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  42. Since I was the one who reported that, doesnt really make any difference imo,Nadal probably wanted to feel those bullets again:), i dislike Nadal for some reasons, i like Soderling for other reasons and i want him to spank Nadal, nothing more nothing less.
     
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    I don't know, maybe I'm just hyping him up too much, but when Soderling is serving at his best, he's nigh unstoppable. Federer was lucky not to go to a fifth set against Soderling at the U.S. Open - and that was after Soderling farted around in the first two sets, winning just three games. If he had come out firing the way he played in the 3rd and 4th sets, I fully believe Soderling could have beaten Federer. The problem is, like any big hitter, he's inconsistent. Sure, he lost to Lopez at Shanghai. That doesn't change the fact that when he's on, he's one of the best in the world.
     
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  44. CMM

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    Why do you dislike Nadal?
     
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    << fixed it for myself

    And just to prove my point further

    This is from the "ROME ATP Masters 1000" thread, on the day of Nadal beating Soderling

    So don't pretend like Nadal fans just SUDDENLY started disliking and disrespecting Soderling because he beat Nadal.

    Does anyone actually believe that the way Nadal fans treat Soderling now would be the way Hewitt, for example, would be treated had he beaten Nadal at the French Open? I fully doubt it.

    Mind you, these reactions I posted are nothing compared to the reactions from the Wimbledon match between Nadal and Soderling.
     
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    Yes, that is indeed true. But when he beats Rafa on that special surface, will the dislike increase, decrease, or stay the same?
     
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    It depends on how he acts after the win :)

    I'm actually liking Soderling more recently as he seems more humble... same with Djokovic.
     
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    So Soderling beating Nadal at the FO had no bearing in Nadal fans calling him clown,journeyman,saying he sucks etc. ? And they didn't make threads about him before either from what I remember.
     
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    All from 2007

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=142978&highlight=soderling
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=142590&highlight=soderling
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=142096&highlight=soderling
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=142296&highlight=soderling

    I'm not saying that the FO win didn't ignite things, but there's a lot more to it than most people think.

    Here's a gem from a 2009 Madrid thread from GameSampras

    Before the French Open
     
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  50. I dont wanna get into that since it would probably create a flamewar...
    He has done well. OK.
     
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