Rod Laver Videos from 1969 and 1962

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  1. noeledmonds

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    I have come accross this fantastic footage of Laver, Rosewall, Newcombe and Emerson from various French Open tournaments.

    Laver vs. Rosewall FO Final 1969
    http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1114765844

    Laver vs. Okker FO Semi-final 1969
    http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1114765935

    Laver vs. Emerson FO Final 1962
    http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1114765660

    Laver vs. Santana FO Semi-final 1961
    http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1114766123

    Hoad/Rosewall vs. Rose/Wilderspin FO
    http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1114766118

    Newcombe vs. Okker FO Quarter-final 1969
    http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1114765811
     
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  2. chaognosis

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    Wow, fantastic find.

    Thank you!
     
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  3. vive le beau jeu !

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    wow... great find !
    i didn't know the INA had such a website. do you know if it's recent ?
    there are many pieces of good old matches there... :D
     
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  4. noeledmonds

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    I don't know when all these match clips became avaliable. I just happen to chance upon them. On closer inspection there are other great clips also as you say. I have edited two more clips into my original post, but I don't know what years they come from. Does anyone know the years for these French Opens?
     
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  5. urban

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    Great find noeledmonds. Thanks. The Laver-Okker match was the semifinal of RG 1969, won by Laver in four. Great rallys here end of a bagel second set and begin 3rd. The Santana-Laver match must be the RG semifinal of 1961, which the later RG winner Manolo won in the fifth, after being behind 1-4 in the fourth. The Okker-Newcombe match must be the quarterfinal of 1969, which Okker won over Newk. The doubles of Hoad and Rosewall i cannot identify, must be an old amateur match from the mid 50s or a pro match from the 60s. On the INA side they have also a professional competition from around 1965.
     
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  6. CyBorg

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    I wish I could download these.

    Btw, the level of tennis is great. From my 'experience' in watching older matches there is very little difference in the level of tennis between the 40s and the 70s (I am more hard-pressed to comment on the pre-WWII tennis). Also notice how big the serves are - that's no joke.

    Of course I'm mostly going on the elite matches such as these, which is a limitation.

    Laver and Rosewall would be beasts today. Roger in his current form wouldn't take a peak Laver to a fifth set.
     
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  8. urban

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    Santana was and is right handed, Laver is a leftie.
     
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  9. noeledmonds

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    Thanks for this information urban
     
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    On a lighter note: In the Santana-Laver match there is shown an incident, which Laver mentions in his book 'Education of a tennis player'. Santana fell and obviously sprained his ancle in the 4th set. Laver ran towards him, and helped him up and walked around the court with the seemingly in pain Santana. But this was really the turning point of the match. Santana came out smoking and put Laver to sleep. Laver writes jokingly, he should have tripped on Santana's foot for good, instead of helping him up.
     
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  11. BeHappy

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    YES!!!!!

    figured out how to download them!!!
     
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  12. saram

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    Great find!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Interesting

    Great find and what caught me as well was the massive crowd. Looks like football game and the line judges comfortably seated in chairs. LOLS
     
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    emerson was a better player than laver, his groundstrokes were far superior, unbelievable backhand!
     
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  15. AndrewD

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    How? ?
     
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    Incroyable! Magnifique!!

    Great find.

    Laver vs Rosewall . . . doesn't get much better.
     
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    I don't think anyone will mind if you outline it in a post and quite a few of us might really appreciate it. Much easier than having to reply to everyone's emails.
     
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  19. Pete Semper

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    Cant read them...
     
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  20. BeHappy

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    someone has spent a lot of time and money trying to stop people downloading these videos, it would be terrible if they closed this back door.

    One of you email me, then you can email thenenxt person and so on.
     
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    What a load of ........
     
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  22. hoodjem

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    One thing that seems obvious if you watch some of these old videos versus today's players (via YouTube) is that present players have incredibly long follow-throughs. This suggests that today's players are hitting the ball much harder. String and racquet technology improvements would also seem to support this concept.

    But after watching the Laver-Rosewall 1969 FO finals match, I don't think today's players are hitting the ball better.

    Just MHO.
     
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  23. stormholloway

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    I agree. Technology has allowed players to "swing out" without fear.

    People do tend to overestimate how much the game has evolved. I think the technique has changed mainly due to technology. Fitness has obviously improved. The game seems less thoughtful to me.
     
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  24. hoodjem

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    Less thoughtful, and less deeply strategic. It seems that today there is too much banging for an outright winner.

    I also think less graceful, more muscular or brutish. I miss Edberg and his graceful, balletic serve and volley game.

    I recently watched an Edberg-Becker match. It was manifest that Becker was the father of today's playing style i.e. power hitter, big banger). And Edberg was a throwback to the past (i.e. touch and stylish play).

    Alas, I wish we had another Edberg on the scene today--always the gentleman.
     
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