Roddick complains about tennis balls.

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  1. bdawg

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    Is this a tenable argument on Roddick's part? He was the only one who complained about it.


    Q. Talk about just coming from Washington, couple of days, how difficult is it to start first round again, although it's a Masters Series, a big week?
    ANDY RODDICK: It's tough. I actually did the same thing in '05 and wasn't able to get past the first round. It's different. They use a different ball for whatever reason. It's a little tough to get used to conditions, especially on a day like today where the wind is a little gusty and stuff. You don't really feel like you played your cleanest tennis.
    You know, I was able to get through.



    http://www.rogerscupmen.com/2/fr/draws/interviews/roddick.asp
     
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  2. Marius_Hancu

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    While I don't understand why Montreal uses Penn when every other tourney in the US series uses Wilson, that shouldn't be an excuse for Roddick.
     
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  3. sigep1967

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    Didn't they use Penn at Cincy? I would have sworn i saw Penn on the balls there.
     
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  4. federer envies me

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    Yeah they definetly use penn in cincy, I have a can of the official balls
     
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  5. NoBadMojo

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    That's no excuse...everyone plays with the same ball on the same courts at each event. It's not like they are picking on Roddick. They do control the speed of the ball, and they have slightlhy different feels and sounds to them, but certainly nothing you cant quickly adjust to. especially Roddick who wasnt in the finals and had time to practice at the site using the same balls
    The WTAers use a faster ball in general than the ATPers
     
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  6. dukemunson

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    He should try some of the asian balls...the bridgestones are brutal (the babolats are pretty bad as well)...
     
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  7. blakealltheway

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    Hmmm....it's funny, when I am at a tennis lesson with my local pro, he has a basket of a balls from a variety of companies. However, I can never tell when he has hit me a Wilson ball or a Penn ball specifically.
     
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  8. daddy

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    NAdal complained abotu balls at montreal, remember?
     
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  9. TennezSport

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    US Open Series Balls

    All of the US Open Series events use the USPTA ProPenn Encore ball, as part of their contract with Head/Penn. We sell and use this ball here and it is a little heavier than the Wilson ball, but not that much. It also does not fluff up as quick as the Wilson ball, so I am not sure what the complaint is.

    For HC play, I think the Penn ball is a little better than the Wilson US Open ball. (I, in no way mean to say I know more about these balls than Roddick, just my opinion).

    TennezSport :cool:
     
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  10. fastdunn

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    I don't know. I can't play with regular Penn.
    I like ProPenn, Wilson US Open, Dunlop but just can't play with regular Penn.
    When even amateurs like me have problem with balls,
    at the top echelon of tennis, small difference in balls
    could make pretty big differences.
    BTW, Roddick is not the 1st person who complained on tennis balls used
    in ATP.
     
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  11. veryfatchocobo

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    I feel a big difference between regular (and crappy) Penn balls and Wilson Championship balls. Penn goes with the wind more and is lighter than the Wilson Championship balls.
     
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  12. stormholloway

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    Gamma Pro Tour is where it's at. Roddick should keep a couple in his pockets when he plays Federer. That way he won't get bageled.
     
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  13. fastdunn

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    I feel like regular "Penn"(both heavy duty and regular duty) is made out
    of plastic. It has plastic bounce. I can't feel the ball.
     
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  14. daddy

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    We play dunlope here, rarely anything else.
     
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  15. Fee

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    Did I miss something? Where is Roddick 'complaining' about the balls and where does he make any kind of argument? He made an observation about the transition in conditions between Washington and Montreal (after a match he won), so why is this worthy of a thread?
     
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  16. ChipNCharge

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    No kidding. It doesn't take much to get the Roddick haters fired up.
     
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  17. The tennis guy

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    All Master Series use same brand balls, while slam events choose their own balls. Regular ATP events use either same balls or different balls from Master Series and slams.
     
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  18. Kobble

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    It doesn't take much for any kind of hater to get fired up. They are half way there to begin with.
     
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  19. tennispro11

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    Dude, people just like to hate on somebody. It is usually Roddick but sometimes it is Federer. Maybe they are jealous. :p
     
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  20. AJK1

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    Where in the article does Roddick complain about the balls?
    Some Op's are just idiots flaming.
     
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  21. Mad iX

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    Probably because they've all gone flat.
     
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  22. DashaandSafin

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    Quoted for the truth.

    Bdawg can you read? Hes not complaining, hes only stating that there were diffent balls. Big whoop.


    What are you trying to start with this thread? Honestly...another Roddick troll flame fest?
     
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  23. EliteNinja

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    Then you really need to concentrate on looking at the ball better...:p
     
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  24. AngeloDS

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    I have the same complaint; I prefer Wilson or Dunlop. Dunlop over Wilson for me =).

    Penn tennis balls are really... hard, dead and feel heavy. I don't like it at all--especially here in the North West where conditions get cold. The ball feels even more dead.

    It's terrible and I haven't adjusted to it ever since I started playing. Penn should stop making tennis balls.
     
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  25. Zets147

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    get a pro who actually spends some money buying new balls.
     
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  26. AJK1

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    I like Slazenger Grass and Hardcourt balls the best.
    I played in a Tournament that used Head Grass balls and they became so fluffy that it became a joke. Worst balls i've ever had to use.
    Wilson seem good too.
     
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  27. Nadal_Freak

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    I have no problem with Penn.
     
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  28. J-man

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    Sersiouly he said one sentence stating that the balls are different. Big deal
     
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    It does make a difference which balls you use, on which type of surface etc.

    i noticed once my game was way off with Penn balls, and when we switched to Wilson (red can) it was all of a sudden better.

    As many people mentioned here (in a tread about balls) it may be sometimes necessary to make tension adjustment to compensate for different balls, temp or humidity

    I personally was never fond of Pen neither, Dunlop are the best
     
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  30. slice bh compliment

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    Good point. And that's all AR was saying, but really, I think it's pretty obvious to anyone in tennis (certainly a tour veteran) that all the Masters Series events are obligated to trot out those crap Penns.

    That is because you are not taking his coaching advice. Watch the ball and try to read which brand it is as it crosses the net.;)

    Kidding. Blake all the way, I like that. Good luck at the Open, JB.
     
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  31. bdawg

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    I thought it was an interesting topic because this is his second time . In 2005, he lost in the first round and made a similar comment. Maybe "complaining" is too harsh, but it does seem like Roddick dislikes the choice of tennis balls.

    "“It just felt totally different out there than it did two days ago,” he said. “The court, the balls, they're all a little bit different. I just didn't adjust. It's a different ball. I just didn't feel like I was doing anything real comfortably out there.”

    http://www.rogerscupmen.com/5/en/news/2005/tuesday2.asp


    If I start any post about Roddick, then I'm automatically trolling?
     
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  32. edmondsm

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    You are the one picking on Roddick. He didn't complain about anything, all he said was it is tough because the balls are different. They asked him a question and he answered it.
     
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  33. bdawg

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    He's the only one who commented on the balls, and he's done it twice. I think that's worth a mention. It's not a personal attack on Roddick or his game. It's up to you to decide if his argument is valid or not.

    He was never explicitly asked about the balls either-- he made a point of bringing that up.
     
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  34. origmarm

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    I have to agree with the above. I don't think he was so much complaining as saying the transition was difficult.
    Given that the balls are the same for everyone I think its a minor
     
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  35. phoony

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    Stop complaining........just play your ball. If you couldn't win anymore just retire there.
     
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  36. whatsgood4u

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    funny for rodDICK to complain about balls.


    ....god i'm immature
     
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  37. J-man

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    No I understand that. Trust me try playing on har tru with AO open balls. It's immposible, lol.

    What I was trying to say is that he said one little sentence about the balls and I don't think it was enough to start a topic about it. I mean look at the quote. He said like 5 words about it.
     
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  38. Fee

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    Yes, twice he made a comment about the transition from Washington to Canada. He did not make an 'argument' and he did not 'complain.' For some reason he is sensitive to the ball change in Canada (where he has made the final twice, winning it all once). You started a thread about a trivial comment from a tournament that is over a week old, so yeah, it does look like you were fishing for something to pick on. Just my opinion.
     
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  39. NoBadMojo

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    I didnt read the article. I wrongly assumed that if the dude took the time create a thread that said Roddick was complaining about the balls, that he was actually complaining about the balls...I should have known better ;)
     
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  40. BigboyDan

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    Canada and Cincy use Penn balls because all Masters events are contracted with Penn.
     
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  41. coloskier

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    Compared to 20 years ago, there is a HUGE difference in balls. But of course, that is not what Roddick is complaining about. If they played all the slams with the balls used 20 years ago, Roddick might actually have 2 or 3 more slams under his belt. His serve would be unreturnable, even by Federer, because the balls would skip and slide a good 6 inches even on hardcourts, and especially on grass. This is because those balls were smaller in size, lighter in weight, and did not fluff up EVER. The big topspinners would be watching their balls hit the fence instead of landing inside the baseline because there was not nearly the "bite" compared to present balls. I actually had a case of balls that were 20 years old and 2 years ago took them out (they still were completely pressurized) and had some top ranked juniors who hit with heavy topspin try to hit with them. It was hilarious!!! They couldn't keep anything in the court. The only ones who did well hit basically flat shots.
     
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  42. superstition

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    Aside from quality control issues (dead balls out of cans, fuzz balls, bare patches), the Penn Championship regular duty balls are quite good, in my opinion. Wilson balls tend to be heavier, so I try to avoid them. Even the US Open regular duty tends to be heavier. Penn ATP regular duty balls, though, feel really light. I have trouble controlling them. Heavy balls (the worst is Wilson's Titanium) ruin gut string jobs quickly, so I usually play with Penn Championship regular duty. I used to like the Penn Centre Court balls, but I haven't seen those in a long time.
     
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  43. superstition

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    Navratilova said the balls used in the late 70s and early 80s bounced less, which helped serve and volley players because the bounce was lower. Sometime in the early 20th century, tennis balls were shrunk to cut costs.
     
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  44. fastdunn

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    Penn has multiple prodcts. Regular Penn(chamionship), Penn ATP, and ProPenn...

    What I heard is they use ProPenn Encore at ATP Masters.
    4-5 years ago they used Penn ATP.

    AFAIK, Penn used to be official ball of many tennis organization
    but I don't think regular Penn is being sponsored in any tennis organization
    right now.

    USTA dropped sponsorship on regular Penn while back(in fact USTA do not have any official balls).
    USPTA endorse ProPenn, AFAIK.
    I think USA tennis league still sponsors regular Penn.

    To me, regular Penn is a thing of past (or at least becoming one, especially
    after Head took over Penn).
     
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  45. coloskier

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    See what I mean about lighter balls. :p Try hitting heavy topspin with those and see how long you stay in the match.
     
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  46. coloskier

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    Yes, they were. They had thinner walls, which caused them to skid a little more, thus causing lower bounces. I don't know if it is just me, but have you seen in the past two years that balls bounce even higher now than they used to? I am 6'4" and I almost never had a ball bounce shoulder height unless it was a lob until a few years ago.
     
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  47. quest01

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    Maybe Montreal should switch to Dunlop balls.
     
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  48. Richie Rich

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    no matter what balls are used there will be pro's who will complain about them
     
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  49. joeyscl

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    Maybe he should complain about his skills :p
     
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