Roddick has the groundstrokes of martina hingis

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  1. The Gorilla

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    why is he not concerned about this?

    He's going to be destroyed by federer, who can return his serve.Back when he took a set off him in that wimbledon final, his forehand was just so powerful, it probably had more raw power than federer's, and now I'd say it's a top 150 forehand.
     
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  2. pj80

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    hater.....
     
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  3. tintin

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    Hingis still has 5 slams to Roddick's 1
    maybe it might be a good idea for him to switch:roll:
     
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    Not a fair comparison considering that Hingis at least has a decent backhand down the line.
     
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  5. Andres

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    And one heck of a volley :D
     
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  6. rommil

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    ....and a mindful game.
     
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  7. helloworld

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    What's the point of comparing WTA to ATP players anyway ? No matter how bad Roddick's groundstroke is, he could still easily outrally Martina anyway.
     
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  8. Forehand Forever

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    I'm not a Roddick hater in any means but his forehand does look weaker now. He has to go on to youtube and watch some videos of him using that huge forehand he once had.
     
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    What a stupid comparison, as most, if not all people would take Roddicks gstrokes over Martina's anyday. IT would appear that his forehand has lost something though, which seems a bit odd at this stage in his career, but its definitely better than a top 150.
     
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  10. ACE of Hearts

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    Roddick had 50 plus winners in that match.Thats the highest amount of winners i have seen him hit against Roger.Roger was very off in that match, quite surprise at how Roddick started the match but he was calm about it and settled down.
     
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  11. crazylevity

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    If Hingis had Roddick's serve though, she'd be the female GOAT in a flash.
     
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  12. Heavy Metal Tennis Star

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    if roddick and hingis play, all she has to worry about is return the serve, if she can, she will destroy roddick.
     
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  13. tintin

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    well Roddick serve have gotten just 1 slam compared to the 5 slams and weak serves of Hingis
    go figure;)
     
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  14. tennissavy

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    Reality check time- Martina Hingis' technique is so text book perfect and superior to Roddick's technique that he should strive to have half of her precision and form.
     
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  15. The Gorilla

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    hingis's groundstrokes are tchnically apalling, it's her tactical genius that allows her to rise above them.
     
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  16. callitout

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    Didnt Roddick make finals of USO and take a set from Roger last year.
    Didnt he win cincy last year. I mean I know that its fun to pretend that he is a 3.5 player, but he's been top 10 for like the last 4-5 years.
    Roger murders him and everyone else on a hardcourt...so what.
    Roddick's always terrible on clay, and was this year as well. There's nothing new here.
     
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    Exaggerating a bit but yeah Roddick's baseline game is not that good.
     
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  18. edmondsm

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    No nothing new at all. The Roddick lynch mob likes to get together every once in a while and listen to themselves talk. It's part of this board. They appearently have a problem with the fact that the guy is still in the top 5 after nearly 5 years even though he "sucks", and would get beat by a girl.
     
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  19. Heavy Metal Tennis Star

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    wow, american tennis has fallen off, we used to rbag about winning slams, now we brag about being a finalist, hingis is better than roddick.
     
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  20. The Gorilla

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    ^^^^^^^^^^
    No, I don't think you understand, what I'm saying is that in the last ocuple of weeks roddicks forehand has gotten dramatically worse.
     
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  21. Forehand Forever

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    Yeah right.
     
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  22. Pusher

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    Yep.

    And Roddick didn't quit the tour (like Hingis) because he was losing to Fed. No, Roddick hires Connors and works like hell to improve his game. Roddick is an overachiever and I will always pull for guys like that.
     
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  23. Heavy Metal Tennis Star

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    hingis has 5 slams, roddick has 1.
     
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    I'm begining to think that Heavy Metal Star is serious about Hingis being able to beat Roddick...

    If the top 10 WTA players were to play on the ATP they I doubt any of them would come up with a 1st round win at challengers. Theres no comparison between the levels of play in the WTA and ATP.
     
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  25. tennissavy

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    "tchnically apalling"!!!!! So why do ALL the commentators state that she has textbook technique on every groundstroke and volley???? Don't bother to answer that question. It is something you should be asking yourself.
     
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  26. federerfanatic

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    Henin who is the same height, but looks smaller and weaker then Hingis, hits the ball like twice as hard. I suppose that is because of Hingis's flawless technique. :p
     
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    9 threads about Roddick on the front page of TW. woohoo! Vamos Andy. :cool:
     
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    What are you, the Talk Tennis stat boy? Here's some other dudes that have fewer slams than Hingis: Nadal, Moya, F. Lopez. What is your point exactly?
     
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  29. Heavy Metal Tennis Star

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    roddick sucks.
     
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  30. Mr. Sean

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    So true thats why I still argue that roddick performed better in the 04 wimbie final than the 05 wimbie final even though he supposedly trained harder in 05. His forehand was awesome back in the day. Just raw power even with ****ty technique. His return of serve to his forehand side was deadly as well back in 03 and 04. Im routing for him to get to the 07 wimbie final as well to take on federer.
     
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  31. federerfanatic

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    He was coached by Brad Gilbert in 2004, and in 2005 he was coached by Dean Goldfine. No wonder he was playing less well in the latter.
     
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    Gilbert got the best out of Roddick. Connors isn't even close to doing that so far. Maybe Roddick has lost a step.
     
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  33. federerfanatic

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    Roddick's best tennis and best chance of success was always with Gilbert. His splitting with Gilbert was a knee jerk reaction to not winning a slam in 2004, and it was stupid IMO. I am pretty sure he would have won atleast a couple more slams had they stayed together. He has only gone downhill on his merry-go-round of coaches since.
     
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  34. The Gorilla

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    tactically he has improved exponentially with connors, it's just that he isn't hitting through the ball, which is weird because you would think tht if there was one thing connors knows how to do...
     
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    Roddick would have destroyed all wta including Hingis.She is probably a genius but she ain't got the power.Roddick is winning wimbledon this year.
     
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    Roddick's problem is his movement not groundsrokes

    Which is the exact reverse of Hingis's problem. Her movement is good but there is no power in her shots.

    Roddick has power, even on his backhand, but he can't get in position to hit them.
     
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    Jimmy Conors changing Roddick's game destroyed Roddick's ability to hit his forehand. Roddick's forehand takes alot of time to setup, thus why when you give you a floater, he will crush the forehand with authority. However, because Roddick is not that good of a mover, and because he's hugging the baseline now adays, he doesn't have the time that he used to have (when he stayed 10 feet behind the baseline). Also because he's learned how to hit a backhand, and how to volley at least somewhat comptently, he doesn't have to rely completely on his forehand to finish points anymore, thus why it's not as good as it was before, he just doesn't hit it that often anymore.
     
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    How about Roddick vs. Henin on clay?
     
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  39. The Gorilla

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    ^^^^
    very good question.
     
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  40. iamke55

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    I always thought Roddick's forehand troubles started long before Connors came along.

    I don't see Henin taking a set off of even a 17-year-old Nadal on clay, while Roddick did.

    Yes, his movement is terrible. It's sad that a person known for playing one of the greatest defensive points ever is now slicing forehands that were aimed about 5 feet away from him.
     
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    inteligent comment;) ... I do not understand you people at all, Roddick has horrible volleys we all know that, However Roddicks groundstrokes are "aweful" you dont stay in the top 5 with JUST a serve ladies and gentlemen... Why do we hate on Roddick so much when it was our fault for put him on the highest pedestal possible?
     
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  42. Rodditha

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    Roddick is gonna beat the hell out of fed in wimby.
    Fed sucks:stupid boring tennis player.
     
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    Henin in 3 lol.
     
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    3 as in winning 3 points in the match ? lol
     
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  45. Mr. Sean

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    I kind of disagree with this comment. I think that conner's coaching didn't do any harm to roddicks game only marginal improvements. Roddicks forehand became sour and slowy declined when that golfine guy took over. This guy made roddick play less aggressive by teaching roddick bad habits like his lame slice and his poor topspin forehand. I think what made Gilbert so good was that he taught roddick how to go for points and to not be afraid. Golfine made roddick more conservative. What I like about conners is the boost of confidence that he gave Roddick. Roddicks performances lately prove that confidence plays a big part in how you perform on the court or any facit of life. I still agree though that Gilbert was the man and always will be "the coach" plus his son is playing for the UC Berkeley tennis team. Go Bears!
     
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  46. Mr. Sean

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    Ha Fed matches are some of the most entertaining matches to watch. The shots he creates are amazing. Still routing for Roddick to help save American tennis.
     
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    Nah in 3 sets(best of 3 0r 5, take your pick).
     
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  48. OrangeOne

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    Hingis has exceptional groundstrokes.

    Very bad question.
     
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    Connors. It's spelled Connors.
     
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    LOL Roddick would not lose to justine on clay, not even close. Even though I consider Justine to be the best womens player and having the best backhand on the WTA and ATP and fundamentally shes miles ahead of Roddick.

    Just physically men guys are just stronger and hit heavier balls.
     
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