Roddick is either afraid to win tournaments or incapable of doing so

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  1. GameSampras

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    Ahhh....


    Roddick loses another close one today against Del Potro in Washington. So close yet so far away.

    This guy seems to be incapable or afraid of actually winning tournaments.. Its been a reoccuring theme his entire career
     
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  2. akv89

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    He's won some 20 odd titles hasn't he?
     
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  3. JeMar

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    It's not that he's afraid or that he's incapable...

    Did you watch that third-set tiebreaker? Del Potro served missed one serve, and that second serve was an ace.

    You win some, you lose some. Today wasn't Andy's day.
     
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  4. theroleoftheunderdog

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    gamesampras probably didnt even watch that match.
     
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  5. norbac

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    Watch the tiebreak against Delpo....you can't do much when the other guy's serving like a beast....even his second serve was an ace.
     
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    Roddick is a crappy a return of serve anyways thats what happened and why it happened.. Thats why Del Potro was serving like a beast and why fed had 50 aces at Wimbeldon.
     
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  7. P_Agony

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    Delpo has become a service beast. Finally a decent 1st serve to compliment that height.

    I didn't watch the match, was it high quality stuff or just meh?
     
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  8. JeMar

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    There was a rough patch near the end of the second set, but overall it was very good tennis.
     
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    Nor when delpotro manages to hit a marvellous shank drop shot that's unreachable xD

    Roddick was pretty unlucky to not get out of this with a win, he's already won one 500 title in memphis already this year as it is.
     
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  10. norbac

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    137 down the T. and 136 out wide I believe, not much you can do about that...
     
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  11. JeMar

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    Yeah, sorry Federer and Del Potro don't stick out their tongues to telegraph where their serve is going like Becker...

    [​IMG]
     
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  12. dragonfire

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    roddick played like **** today, no excuses.
     
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    I saw a little of the match, part of the second set, and I thought it was a crap match.. like the semifinal between gonzalez and del potro. I don't know why so bad quality tennis.. maybe the atmosphere of the tournament isn't the most motivating. Players seemed to be tired all the time and lazy.
     
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    roddick can play much better, hopefully we'll see a more dominant roddick in montreal
     
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  15. Gugafan

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    It's bemusing the stick Roddick gets, despite reaching another ATP tour final.
     
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  16. Conquistador

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    roddick is clearly a hall of famer--ask tiger woods--you cant win them all--thats why sports are so great--because no one can win everything.
     
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    He speaks the truth.
     
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  18. Carsomyr

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    No, he really didn't. Roddick played really well; JMDP is just an extremely high quality hard court player. I don't understand why you're giving him such a hard time - there's no shame in losing to a player as good as Del Potro.
     
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  19. Conquistador

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    roddick played a heck of a match. Today they should have handed out two trophies-one for del potro and one for roddick--because that crowd was absolutely LOUD
     
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    I love how a guy can break the career 500 match wins (only 36 people have ever done), have 27 ATP tournament titles (on 4 different surfaces), and have reached 44 finals, then have someone say he is incapable of winning...

    The logic is amazing...

    You don't have to be a fan to realize that facts are facts...
     
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    Its disquisting to me as well. Here you have a hall of famer who plays in the Federer era also with the soon to be 2nd best player of all time (Nadal) and people say these things. Roddick is big time. He is better than 99 percent of tennis players to have,get this, TO HAVE EVER PICKED UP A RACQUET...Give Roddick his due.
     
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  22. chris

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    i agree one hundred percent
     
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  23. FEDEXP

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    Still an under achiever though; do you really think that Roddick is satisfied with one Grand Slam title? He has improved so much in the last year but he does tend to lose his composure when the going gets tough.
     
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    Damn, i wouldn't mind have Roddick bad day at tennis during all the days of my life.
     
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  25. MajinX

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    post of the month and maybe year, ppl always look at the short terms and at the negative, instead of thinking of reaching wimble final and losing in the longest 5th set in history and reaching a 2nd final right after and losing in a tiebreak in the 3rd. they think he loses again.. and he cant win.
     
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  26. egn

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    Del Po just played top notch in that last set tiebreaker. Roddick was trying...game give him a break. He is sorry he is not Pete Sampras..he is sorry he doesn't serve and volley all the time and he is sorry he hasn't gotten a full proof method of beating Federer and is basically the reason he passed his own countryman in the record books. Leave him be.
     
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  27. Tennis_Maestro

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    GameSampras lol

    Sometimes i wonder about your thought process.
     
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  28. egn

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    No thought just a process. Trash player not named Pete Sampras. Trash player who does not help bolster the Sampras legacy.
     
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    What makes that even funnier is its true.
     
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  30. rwn

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    That´s why he´s won 27.
    Let´s compare that with some "giants" from the previous decade: Courier 23 titles, Ivanisevic 22, Stich 18, Krajicek 17, Rafter 11. They were scared of winning titles too, apparently.
     
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  31. Thats a little unfair dont you think? Hes got 27 titles, usually when he is losing finals it is to fantastic players like Federer ,Del Potro
     
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    Man, you’re a poet. Do you also dance?
     
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  33. fedfan08

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    Did we watch the same match? JDPM basically handed Roddick the match but he wouldn't take it. JDMP was serving for the 2nd set at 5-4 when Roddick got the break back. With the crowd behind him he should've taken that set (and the match). In the 3rd set Roddick went up an early break (again with JDMP DF on break point) but then gave it back. Roddick had the heat and the crowd on his side; JDMP hadn't been playing his best tennis this week. IMO this was a match Roddick should have won.
     
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  34. Conquistador

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    You should have told that to the great roger federer after this year's Australian Open.
     
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    those deep returns at Roddick's feet did Andy in and forcing him to hit low volleys off the backhand near the net didn't help
    brilliant tactic
     
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  36. Terr

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    He's probably too busy killing dogs with his serve to win.

    :(
     
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  37. GameSampras

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    And the same is he should have twice that much or close to it..


    27 titles isnt a whole heck of a lot for a 10'er for around a decade now. Thats actually Underachieving. And whos the guy above that mentioned Courier's name? Courier had a short prime/peak and fell just short of 4 titles to Roddick's only 27 and Roddick has been in the top 10 for almost a decade now.

    And not to mention Courier has many more slams than Roddick has or will achieve And courier was on top for how long.. Hell Hewitt has been just as successful in titles and has more slams.. And Hewitt was in top form for how long?


    Roddick should have more titles and more slams than most of these guys considering his longevity on top.


    THATS THE WHOLE POINT!!!!!


    But after playing Fed all these times, Roddick should more or less know what to expect. Hes blown a few slam matches that were his against Fed, but again couldnt perform well in the clutch. 2-19 is inexcusable for a top 10'er for a decade.

    Give Courier or Hewitt a decade at the top. Both achieve much more
     
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  38. deltox

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    if you only played the game you critique so harshly. closing in the finals with pressure, o never mind im sure you would be the iceman on tour. whats your rank again?
     
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  39. TMF

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    I think Roddick’s loss had a lot to do with Del Potro playing well. He was hitting the ball with such pace even Safin would get winded.

    If Roddick won the match, some of you could of create a thread about Del Potro incapable of winning a tourney.

    Catch 22.
     
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  40. GameSampras

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    Del Potro is a stud and at only 19 has a great future if he can keep his head in the game. But Roddick is a veterean, been around a while and should be able to come up in the clutch and have the mental toughness to outclass a 19 year old who has great potential, but yet hasnt really proved a whole lot yet or proved he can even win a slam
     
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    Gilbert was in the top 10 for awhile and went something like 0-16 against Lendl. I think that's a little more pitiful than Roddick's 2-19. At least Roddick picked up some wins.
     
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    Every opportunities for Roddick to win slams, he was facing TMF. If he could of won a few from TMF, then you wouldn’t say anything about how good Roddick is, but instead TMF isn’t that good.

    Catch 22.
     
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  43. akv89

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    Your actually faulting Roddick for being consistent and staying in the top 10 for so long? Nice logic.:-?

    BTW, the great Jim Courier was 4-16 against Sampras with 2 of those wins coming from his best surface and Sampras' worst.
     
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    how many people can keep improving on their game, tweaking it, even getting more fit when many with more talent have fallen away- give him some credit.

    Yes, he sometimes looks like crap when facing fed and nadal but who doesn't. He's a great player but will never be compared to the greatest.

    He's like the patrick ewing of tennis- around a long time, played during jordan era so never won the big one (except once for roddick), has great heart, gifted but not supremely gifted...and never appreciated when he played but missed when gone.

    Do you guy's even know who p ewing is? sorry if I'm dating myself. and apologize for the basketball analogy in a tennis forum.
     
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  45. GameSampras

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    Im not faulting him.. Its great consistency.. But again the total number of titles and slam counts should be a bit higher than 27 titles and 1 slam. When youre considering Roddick has been near or around the top since he was 18 years old or so. Fed around or not.. You have to beat and win against whos put in front of you. 2-19? Thats horrible. And a few of those times, the match was in Roddick's hands but he couldnt come through in the big time.



    I want to defend sampras in this case in regards to career, but again.. Alot of Sampras' wins came over Courier was more or less passed his prime or passed his best days.
     
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  46. dragonfire

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    HMMMMM, i'm pretty sure that sampras has a losing record over most active players, roddick included.
     
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  47. GameSampras

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    Yea Sampras in his 30s passed his prime has some a small losing h2h advantage. But Sampras pounded Roddick when it meant the most at the slam.


    How about Roger pre primed vs. Sampras' contemporaries? Losing h2h vs. Corretja. Losing h2h vs. Rafter.
     
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    All her posts have one specific goal: to make Fed's competition look weak thus improving Sampras' GOAT standing. That's all she does here.
     
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  49. You are making some good points, and some horrible points, by saying Roddick should have won twice as many titles as he has ("or close to it") then we are up at the same numbers of titles that federer has. If you take a look at Roddicks statistic in finals he has lost 17, thats OK according to me, and of those 17 he has lost to Federer 7 times!! Lets say we could have expected him to win at least 1-2, that would make his titles 28-29. He usually wins his finals in smaller tournaments and loses hid finals in bigger tournaments,id say that he absolutely has made the most out of his talent at the ATP-tour, and he hasnt been top 10 for a decade, he has been top 10 since Agust 5th 2002, that is 7 years.
     
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  50. theroleoftheunderdog

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    gamesampras why do you even watch tennis?
    why don't you just watch sampras replays?
    you must remember the overhead sampras hit out by a mile at 4-4 on breakpoint in the third set at 2001 wimbledon to give federer a break. that means sampras is a choker. lets cherry pick one shot from his career and label him a choker.
     
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