roddick is not mentally weak

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  1. dragonfire

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    How many times has the guy been down and out in his career, and came back strong to win? If he was mentally week, most of the titles won probably would not be in his trophy cabinet by now, especially the US open title where he battled back against Nalbandian; stayed mentally strong and didn't give up. How many times has the guy been KO'd by federer and came back!!!

    He's saved match points quite a few times in his career too. El Aynaoui in the AO 2003, agass in queens 03, fish in cincy 03, nalbandian US open 2003, mahut in queens 2007, shwank in LMC 2008, Haas in madrid this year. There have also been matches this year where he has been severly outplayed and still won (hewitt memphis). The guy never throws in the towel, even when the odds are against him. He beat hewitt in a 5th setter in wimbledon and held his nerve against murray also.

    Ok, so he did choke against federer, with the 4 set points. He was making great volleys in that match but ****ed up on that one, but he showed his mental side by sticking with federer all through the match, and kept his chin up and never backed down and only just lost when lesser players would have gave up.

    Granted, he might not have the mental strength of nadal,hewitt or federer, but he's not far off, remember, nadal (toughest out there) choked in the 4th set TB against fed in wimbledon. Everyone misses chances - it's always going to happen. Sooner or later you will fail to convert.

    And yesterday, some posters claimed that roddick choked against del potro and was mentally unstable, Roddick didn't really lose that match, del potro won it and played good, roddick played good also, but i don't think roddick had a clear chance of winning the match - even when he was a break up in the 3rd because the match was still so tight.

    Players like gasquet, safin and nalbandian are mentally week (safin i think is just angry that ****s his brain up) and fail to keep it together.

    these are just a few reasons why i think roddick is mentally pretty strong
     
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  2. Commando Tennis Shorts

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    Yeah, if I were Roddick, I'd be encouraged by Washington, not discouraged. In his first tournament since the most devastating loss of his career, he pulled up his bootstraps and made it to the finals, damn near winning it, but instead losing very closely to a guy who was ranked ahead of him mere weeks ago.

    Good match and good tournament overall for Roddick. Even if he doesn't do as well at Montreal or Cincinnati, in terms of results, the U.S. Open Series is about getting geared up and ready for the U.S. Open, which I think he will be come Aug. 31
     
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  3. wyutani

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    of course he aint mentally weak. hw can he be a top 10-ner and be mentally weak?
     
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  4. dragonfire

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    i do believe safin, nalbandian,henman, gasquet got quite high in the rankinga
     
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  5. Fedfan1234

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    Exclude Safin add Berdych and I agree. You cannot beat Federer in SF AO or Sampras in Final US open and be mentally weak. Remember he was breakpoint down against Federer, if you are mentally weak you cannot recover from that.
    Roddick is not mentally weak but against Federer he does seem to lack a little confidence at times. But if you are 19 - 2 down this can happen to you.
     
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    A Rod is not mentally weak! He's one of the most consistent players around! Roddick's been my favourite player for a long long time. Before Nadal was around I loved the Roddick/Fed rivalry. I think my dislike for Fed probably stems from my like of Roddick.

    After all, a Sox fan can't like the Yanks, eh? :p

    Or for a fellow Brit, Liverpool fans need to shoot Chelsea fans on sight.
     
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  7. GameSampras

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    What do you call choking countless set points away in the finals of this past wimbeldonw which could have put him up 2 sets on Fed and the match most likely in his hands?

    Or blowing a big points at Wimbeldon a few years ago which could have already given him 2 Wimbeldon titles, if he actually had the mental toughness and could perform well in the clutch? How about yesterday vs Del Potro?

    Roddick is not that mentally tough. He may not been a complete headcase.. But hes not the most clutch or mentally tough player out there.

    He cant put matches away when he should. He lets his opponent hang around, gives him the opening and then opponent beats him.
     
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  8. Cesc Fabregas

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    He sure looked mentally weak when he fluffed the easiest volley of all time at set point against Fededer.
     
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  9. Wow, then how come all the Nad-tards are claiming FEDERER to be mentally weak??? Amazing!!
     
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  10. That happened in a split second, that is not mental weakness, mental weakness is when you do 3 df in a decisive tie-breaker, what happened to Roddick at Wimbledon was that he just froze on that backhand-volley
     
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  11. TheFifthSet

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    i'm mentally weak. yup yup. :/


    i'm not sure who ever claimed that roddick was. the consensus is that it seems to be one of his strengths.
     
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  12. GameSampras

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    Mental weakness is not converting on 4 set points.
     
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  13. Yes, it is, but not missing an easy bh-volley on setpoint. Missing 4 set-points can also be the result of your opponent simply outplays you 4 points in a row, then it is not mental weakness.
     
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    :( I don't think Fed is mentally weak. I just think there are players who are mentally stronger.

    *cough*Nadal*cough*

    :p
     
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  15. Cesc Fabregas

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    He was up about 5-1 in that breaker and blew it.
     
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  16. TheFifthSet

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    in three of which he was outrallied by federer.


    nice to know we can decipher so much from four points (or one point, for that matter.)
     
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  17. GameSampras

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    No excuses though.. Especially considering Roddick's serve and the way he was playing that day..

    That was an easy put away wolley he missed. Roddick then if he was getting outrallied from the baseline should have instantly put Pressure on Fed following his big serve and attacked.. Unfortunately Roddick doesnt have the confidence in his net game. Obviously he cant expect to go toe to toe with ROger from the baseline and expect to win.. He isnt a great returner and he isnt Nadal. Changes in your strategy need to be made.


    Youre not going to outrally Fed from the baseline not being a great returner.
     
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  18. stanfordtennis alum

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    roddick is very strong mentally and is a fighter, not a quiter.. give the man some credit.. the last 2 matches he lost are heartbreakers
     
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  19. TMF

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    He won 500 matches at the age of 27, that’s not WEAK. I think Rodddick would be multi-slam winners in any other decade.
     
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  20. There are some nice decent objective Nadal-tards, like a diamond in a rough
     
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  21. I agree, Roddick would have had at least 2-3 GS in the 90`s (i know Game Sampras is gonna have a heart-attack now but this is my humble opinion)
     
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  22. GameSampras

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    I disagree with that totally..


    What decade (70s, 80's,90s) is Roddick going to be a multi-slam winner in?

    Well I can account for Roddick in the 90s since thats when I began watching.. Some others who witness the 70s and 80s would like to chime in here go ahead.

    In the 90s

    French- Roddick isnt winning any of those we can agree. Too many guys around who could take him out

    Early 90s, Roddick doesnt see any slams.. His best bet would have to come in the late late 90s.
    Wimbeldon- Sampras reigned supreme, and how would Roddick handle the attack of guys like Goran (We saw what goran did to roddick at Wimbeldon), Kraijeck in 96, Becker and others. Roddick isnt beating Sampras anyways, so Roddick doesnt see a Wimbeldon title

    Australian Open- Maybe a late 90s Australian Open title where the competition was rather weaker. Though thats not guaranteed

    US0- Maybe one during the years Sampras was injured 97-98. Roddick doesnt win any prior to 96. But you still have Rafter who was very good there. Then you have Andre coming back in 99 .. Roddick if he is lucky grabs a USO title.



    As far as the 80s, the competition was even greater.. Possibly the greatest competition in history. Roddick would be lucky to see a slam
     
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  23. maximo

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    Roddick is as weak as they get.
     
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  24. TheFifthSet

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    it's still only four points. i'm sure you will find thousands of four-point sequences in sampras's career that were played far worse than roddick. i don't think four points hold a lot of explanatory power.
     
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  25. Wait!!! Wait!! Wait!!! You should have never posted this!! To SPANK Andy Murrays butt at Wimbledon in a semi-final, with a negative h2h,in front of 17,000 crazy brits, T H A T is not mental weakness! Plz explain urself!:evil:
     
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  26. Kafelnikov won multiple slams in the 90`s, Rafter won multiple slams in the 90`s, I see Roddick as a better hc and grass-player than these guys.
     
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  27. TheFifthSet

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    weak players don't stay in the top 10 for almost a decade. i'm not a roddick fan, but he's remained as consistent as long as he has because of the fact that he doesn't have lapses as some of the headcases that polute the tour do.
     
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  28. TMF

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    Right.
    Roddick was unlucky b/c he had to faced Federer everytime he had a chance to win a slam. I just don’t think there’s no player in any era like TMF denying Roddick so many times. Hits and misses, I think Roddick could pull out SW19 and USO in the 90s’ a few times too.
     
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  29. TMF

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    Murray must be much weaker. He had thousands of fans rooting behind his back at SW19, but Roddick destroyed Murray in the semi. He actually beat Murray and the hostile crowd combined. LOL
     
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  30. Exactly, agree with both of your posts!
     
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    Kafelnokov was a solid clay court.. And he only won 2 slams I believe. Rafter only won 2 slams but he also had an outstanding net game.. Moreso than Roddick. And I think Rafter at his peak was a little better than Roddick.. Yea I said it:) But watch some rafter at the USO in the late 90s and you will see


    When someone says multiple Im thinking 5-6 slams. Not 2 slams
     
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  32. Im saying 2-3 slams, not 5-6.Then we are talking Edberg and Becker, Roddick is far from them,Yes.
    You dont think Roddick with his huge serve and huge forehand would have won ANY Wimbledons Us Opens or Australian Opens in the 90`s??? Are u seriously saying this? Korda won slams in the 90`s!! Thomas Enqvist was a slam-finalist! Philipoussis was a slam-finalist twice! come on man!
     
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  33. maximo

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    Murray was not 'destroyed' in that match. It was very tight, especially in the tie breaks. Murray would 'destroy' Roddick however if they meet at the USO.
     
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  34. TMF

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    Kafelnikov had one of the weakest RG draw in 1996. If you believe me, then post all of his wins in that year and we can discuss.

    He won AO, but what did he said after the tourney? He said he “thank you” to Pete for not showing up, so it made it possible for him to win. LOL
     
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    They never met at the USO. Thanks for expressing your opinion, but not fact.
     
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    How come all your posts are related to "what ifs" and "you'll see" kind of argument? Roddick defeated Murray when everyone expected him to lose, and the best recourse you have is "you'll see". Just like you say to the Fed fans it'll be funny if Fed loses @ the USO, it'll be even more hilarious to see you tuck your tail and run again if Murray loses at the USO. Just like you did when he lost @ Wimbledon, lol.

    I think the saying is "Don't write a check that your (or in this case, Murray's) ass can't cash." I would think you'd learned that after the Wimbledon debacle. :?
     
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  37. maximo: Im dying to hear your reply and explenation to post 25.
     
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  38. VivalaVida

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    Roddick plays his heart out at the US open. Murray wont destroy Roddick at all. It will be a close one is what I am saying.
     
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    Your rather silly opinion on what happened in the Roddick match was anything but fact.
     
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  40. Agree, noone destroys Roddick at the Us Open,and definetely not Murray.
     
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    Murray squashed Roddick in Doha, Which is played on HC. I can see the same happening at the USO.
     
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  42. New York and Doha is not exactly the same places last time i checked, i remeber that match and you can be sure that Roddick won`t play nearly as bad at the Us Open as he did there, AND, it was early in the season. Roddick usually starts to firing up around the summer.
     
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  43. TMF

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    Roddick beat Murray and the hostile crowd. That's no opinion but plain FACT!!!!!!!

    Your quote....
    "Murray would 'destroy' Roddick however if they meet at the USO."

    Your post is silly to even think he would "destroy" Roddick when Roddick is a better player this year while Murray is a totally underchieved this year. LOL
     
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    Huh?? A hard court is not a hard court? :lol:
     
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  45. VivalaVida

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    At the USO, Roddick will never get broken as easily as he did in Doha. Murray is gonna have his hands full when 130 plus serves are gonna be shooting up at him.
     
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    Right...but you're saying Murray "will" beat Roddick at the USO, just like you said Murray "will" beat Roddick at Wimbledon, and Murray "will" beat Federer at Wimbledon, and Murray "will'' win Wimbledon...if I were you, I'd stop making so many bold predictions, would save you the embarrassment you suffered after Wimbledon once again.

    As others have said to you time and time again, the slams and regular tourneys are two different things. You can't say something definetly "will" happen based off of warm up events.

    Roddick's showing better form than he had at the start of the year, so to say it "will" happen based off of a match from January is misguided, especially considering the fact that Roddick "did" beat Murray the last time they face one another in a slam.
     
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  47. Im talking about the surroundings, the atmosphere, and about the surface im not exactly sure it is the same, Us Open is very fast.
     
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    Has Roddick won anything this year?? :lol:

    Roddick is a one slam wonder and you very well know that. Murray will surpass Roddick's rather minimal 1 slam.
     
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  49. Murray is a 0 slam "wonder"...at the age of 22 Roddick had 1 slam, Murrays got 0, and Murray came along at a much better time than Roddick.
     
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    You can't exactly say that since the final slam of the year hasn't been played yet. Murray has time on his side, and his best chance of winning his first slam in New York this month.
     
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