Roddick-Nadal? NO! GOLOVIN-WILLIAMS!

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  1. lenosucks

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    I know most of the posters on this site are most interested in the roddick-nadal match, and for obvious reasons. But I myself am personally more interested in the williams-golovin match. Not only will there be good tennis, but lots and lots of eye candy. Two sexy women, each in very different ways, going against each other. What could get better?
     
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    You can always tune Playboy TV and leave this space to more tennis-related posts.
     
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  3. VashTheStampede

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    Two sexy women? Serena pulled out?
     
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  4. gmlasam

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    What will you be doing while watching the williams-golovin match? ;)
     
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  5. Free_Martha

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    LOL :lol:
     
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    Golovin isn't a woman, she's a 16 year old girl and the fact that the WTA and LaCoste allow her on court dressed like that sickens me. I am done with women's tennis until this crap stops. Whoever thought the day would come when Serena would actually be the better dressed player on court during a match (tonight's dress is actually kind of cute).

    I hope you are under 18, or you are treading dangerously close to pedophile waters.
     
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  7. ibelieveinliquidmetal

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    Anyone watch Late Night at the U.S. Open where yesterday it showed Golovin on standing on some nightclub table, dancing at night?
     
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    she is 16?

    she looks older than that .
     
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    Prince, have racquets older than Tatiana.
     
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  10. Chanchai

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    Yeah... I saw that. Her dancing was better than when ESPN showed Serena dancing.

    But Golovin is still really young, and I'm not a big fan of her nose--not encouraging her to get a nosejob or anything--she's fun to watch for her tennis. If she didn't have those tight short shorts, would people be talking about her as much? Anyhow, she does have game, mucho credit for that.

    Anyways... all the talk of the underage girls and "is she gonna be the next Kournikova" discussions... sigh... we're watching tennis.

    Fairly entertaining match tonight. Golovin seems to control her pace quite well. When Serena unloads on that backhand, man... she looks vicious! I don't mean that in the insulting way some people here would say it. I mean, it's probably the most intimidating-violent-intense backhand in the women's game. When she really unloads on it that is.

    -Chanchai

    PS... Are you guys seeing sponsored links on the forum? These sponsored links basically will be random words on a message that are highlighted and linked to marketed sites. I'm wondering if TW has sunk to this... if you're not seeing these, then maybe my browser is a victim of spyware/marketware/virus/hijacker/proxy.... :(
     
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    Well said, Fee.

    The WTA and Golovin's parents are nothing short of pimps.

    What makes it even more pathetic is that Golovin's tennis seems good enough to stand on its own merits, without the sexual provocation.
     
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    You're like a broken record, pal. It's called fashion, deal with it.

     
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    That's fashion? Not on a 16 year old. Bill Maher had the best rant on this - he wants to know what this says when a woman (or girl) is wearing pants that say 'hey, you are a mere 2 seconds away from my crotch!' Hers are lower in front than Britney Spears and the cut in the back just looks weird. Low riding pants are one thing, but what Golovin wears actually requires a wax job that Cher would approve of. It is not appropriate for tennis and it is not appropriate on a child.
     
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    Some people conveniently and/or ignorantly confuse fashion with desperation.
     
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    as the equipment evolves - clothing evolves too i guesss......
     
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    It's not on mine, but I've seen that kind of thing on other computers. You should install Ad-Aware or Spybot - S&D.
     
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  17. topspin

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    I sat next to Tatiana while driving her this year and she is really sweet. And in just that short drive, she made a very positive impression. My instincts about her (for what they're worth) are very positive. I believe that she is enjoying her life as a young tennis player and is very outgoing about life in general. I believe when she is older and looks back, she won't have any regrets about her lchoice of outfits. She's in good shape and she isn't afraid to show it.

    Just for the record, she isn't naked out there. I don't obsess about her shorts but instead look at her overall look out on the court and whether or not it suits her. And it does. She has more of a track-athlete look. I agree that she seems to know a thing or two about fashion.

    And if she is getting attention for her looks as well as her tennis, I say good for her. Not everyone can pull off wearing certain types of outfits (Serena is a perfect example of someone who is wearing the wrong outfit for her body type).

    Tatiana's outfit seems to raise a few eyebrows, but it's nowhere near passed the line to indencency and there isn't a public outcry about it either. I guess there are much more serious issues in the world than a 16 year old girl's choise of tennis outfit

    That's right, she's 16, certainly not a child, and she will change outfits many times in the future. She might decide to go with something a little more conservative, or not. Whatever the case, she is her own person and she is allowed to dress how she chooses and no one has the right impose their own view as to what is decent and what is not.
     
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  18. Deuce

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    I object to 16 year olds acting as sexual teases.

    Put simply, people are beginning to view her as 'sl*tty' because she dresses like a sl*t. Whether she is a sl*t or not, I have no idea - and neither does anyone on these boards, whether they drove her or not. But she certainly projects the image of sl*ttiness with her shorts.

    Viewed any way you like, that's not healthy for a 16 year old - ANY 16 year old.

    And, by the way, 16 is still considered an age of minority - that means a child. She is at least 2 years away from being legally considered an adult - 5 years away in many states. There is a reason for this - it is because 16 year olds are not as mature as adults - whether you realize it or not. 16 year olds often do not know what is best for them - this is part of being a child. The differences in hormones, as well as differences in experience, between adults and 16 year olds is huge. 16 year olds act on impulse - i.e. without thinking very much. That's why their automobile insurance rates are sky high, etc.

    I've never sat next to Golovin - but if I had, you can bet that the conversation would have been very interesting - especially if her mom was in the back seat. Then again, I've worked with kids in various contexts for a number of years, and I've seen things that you probably haven't. I've had many-a 16 year old share his/her thoughts with me; I've seen the innocence; the vulnerabilities; the naiveté... The psychology of 16 year old is significantly different than the psychology of 26 year old, for example. Man, the contexts and dynamics are vastly different - they cannot really even be compared.
     
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    Oh Deuce, I can't believe you even bothered. You must have more faith in humanity than I do (or at least particular members of it).

    I wish the men would wear shorts like that. They are all wearing long shorts now and it's just not as sunny on court as it used to be.
     
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  20. topspin

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    I saw some of the pictures I took of Tatiana and saw some on the net and even cought some highlights on tv and she looks just fine and beautiful. Any judgement on her personal character and self confidence and so on else is pure speculation.

    She was a joy to drive and I'm happy with the conversations I had with her and her mom.
     
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  21. Chanchai

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    Thanks for the tip. It's good advice for everyone.

    Actually, they were installed though, which was why I was so concerned... but I did the thing I should have done a long time ago. I just switched over to using Fire Fox (new Mozilla browser) because IE was allowing too much crap to get through and I was uninstalling 20 programs a night and running both spybot and ad-aware like cray....

    Anyways, I recommend Fire Fox--especially when it becomes integrated into Mozilla. www.mozilla.org

    -Chanchai
     
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    Chanchai,
    are you saying that Mozilla and Firefox are two different things? I'm so confused... I would also like to get away from using IE, especially since it's not working completely since I installed one of the 'critical' updates (and of course there is no help from MS). I thought Firefox was the new version of Mozilla? What about Netscape? Is it worth trying that?
     
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  23. Chanchai

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    Fire Fox is the current browser being worked out for Mozilla. It's in beta form now, but it'll end up being Mozilla's browser.

    If I understood Mozilla correctly, Mozilla is the organization but also the entire online suite (browser + email + chat + etc...). But I think the current "Mozilla browser" is an older browser about to be replaced by Fire Fox (or maybe replaced by an earlier beta already?).

    Anyways... Definitely recommending Fire Fox. At least so far with my experiences, it's got a good interface, great popup blocker built in, and you can import your old settings from IE or some other browsers :)

    http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

    -Chanchai
     
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    I've been using mozilla for years. Mozilla is actually an open source organization, just like linux (which im an avid user of Redhat, Slackware, and Suse).

    Mozilla is the maker of Netscape. Netscape is a bloated version of mozilla with all the AOL crap included. Mozilla is a browser that comes with an email client.
    Firefox on the otherhand, is a sleek version of Mozilla without the email client. It also runs much faster than netscape, mozilla, and IE.

    Firefox and mozilla is a better alternative to IE. They are much more secure and better pop-up control.

    Firefox will not be replacing Mozilla by any means.
     
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  25. Chanchai

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    gmslam, thanks for the clarification. I really appreciate it :)

    I'm really happy with Fire Fox so far. Feature wise is great (though I don't recommend playing TOO MUCH with themes or extensions right now). And definitely, the security and popup control are just so noticebly different now.

    The only thing I'm takeing awhile to get used to is the "type as you go" find feature, which I have trouble applying to these forums.

    BTW, I'm also quite happy with Thunder Bird (e-mail client) as well!

    On Tatiana... Again, I like her tennis a lot and I can see why the buzz is there (outside of the wardrobe buzz). Not the biggest fan of her attire, but it hasn't really offended me--but I see the point that some people (like Deuce) are making. I think I said it already, but I do wonder how much less attention she would get if she wasn't so "scantily clad." In a way, that is sort of a disturbing thought. Not to be over-critical of this post-Kournikova pro women's tennis age we're in--but it seems like the sport and the media are always trying too hard to find "the next Anna K" or "the Anna that isn't Anna." Is it effective marketing? Yeah, sort of... But do I care? Personally, no, except that the conversations can get annoying and I'd personally rather focus more on the tennis. In the case of Tatiana, she has game :)

    -Chanchai
     
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  26. topspin

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    Anna pioneered the way and her career on and off the court has given the new group of Russian girls the hope to be able to make a life for themselves outside of Russia. And the Russian girls have responded since they now make up a big portion of the players on tour. I never like it when reporters try to make comparisons between Anna and the new girls. Everyone is their own person and should be treated as such.
     
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    I'm just not going to get over this post. Two sexy women... I wouldn't go as far as to say that there's two women.

    BUT... if the alternative is Roddick... we just have to be happy that they're playing them at the both time so we don't have to watch all of each match.
     
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    It is the current trend to get attention any way you can. I refer to this as desperation, and quite sad. If Golovin's tennis (which appears to be quite good) won't get her 'enough' attention (i.e. - enough fame and money, likely by her parents' measure), then simply become a little flashing tease - at 16 years old! - and you'll be sure to grab much more attention. Attracting attention to tennis by flashing skin is quite desperate - there's no other word for it.

    The fact that more people don't object to this sort of thing from children is very indicative of how ill certain cultures are.

    Topspin, I don't know if you have kids or not, but I would very much like to see your reaction if you had a 16 year old daughter who wore shorts down beyond her pubic hair line, as Golovin does. I’m afraid that this would be the only way for you to realize the message that that type of clothing sends, as well as the type of people - and thoughts - it attracts.
     
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    Deuce, I've already thought of that and I would be fine with it as long as it was her choice. I would be extremely angry with anyone like you suggesting she modify any part of herself to suit your perception of what is wrong and what is right in this world.
     
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    "I would be extremely angry with anyone like you suggesting she modify any part of herself to suit your perception of what is wrong and what is right in this world."

    You obviously don't get it. Of course, these kids are 'modifying themselves' to fit in to how the media tells them they should act, dress, etc. Could this fact be more obvious? But that's ok with you, huh? Good for the old self esteem, right? Man, this is unbelievable...

    As far as I understand it, parents are there so that children - and teenagers ARE children, which you don't seem to realize - parents are there so that children don't simply "do whatever they want". The reason for this is because children often act without thinking, and often lack the experience and maturity to realize the consequences of their actions. In this case, one consequence is that the message being given off is one of 'sl*ttiness'.

    If you don't care that your daughter would be giving out that message, then I sincerely hope that you don't have any daughters.
     
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  31. topspin

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    I find that last statement extremely disrespectful and disturbing. All I'll say here is that you don't seem to understand that I don't see what she's wearing as being sl*utty the way you do. You need to be open to idea that your way of thinking may actually not always be correct.
     
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    As Bill Maher said in his rant, "if it becomes fashionable for everyone to dress like hookers, how will we ever be able to find the real hookers when we need them."

    Glad to see that the appropriately dressed players are the only ones left in the ladies draw.
     
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    I say that because if you had a daughter who dressed provocatively, you seem to have no idea about what kind of comments and attention that would attract. If she gets the reputation of being a sl*t in school, for example, based on her provocative clothing, based on what you say, you'd just let it be, and allow her reputation and her self-esteem to be destroyed. As such, I hope you never have a daughter, because allowing that is simply cruel.

    If you honestly don't see it as being sl*tty, I'm sure you're just about the only male on the planet with this view.

    Unfortunately, the 'sl*tty' look sells - this is, of course, why Golovin's getting so much attention, and why grown men - including many writers and commentators - are drooling over this child, refering far more to her "microscopic shorts" than to her tennis. Golovin knows that sex sells, and her parents know, and her agent knows, and the pimps at the WTA and at Lacoste know... that's why she's wearing those shorts, dude. That's the ONLY reason she's wearing those shorts.

    But I guess you think she just likes the color, huh?

    It's a sick fact of many cultures on this planet that females are viewed as 'pieces of meat' - as sexual objects primarily. I'm not making that up - it can be seen 100 times a day, at least. You seem to be living in a different world, though - one in which 16 year old girls who wear "microscopic shorts" down below their pubic hair line are not viewed as sex objects or fantasized about.

    I fully admit that I prefer the innocent, pristine world in your imagination far more than the world as it actually is. The unfortunate fact, though, is that the world you describe is not the one in which we live.
     
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    I hate those who view girls as sexual objects as much as I hate those who try to impose their own personal views and judgments on others when they don't really know them. If you think I'm in any way suggesting that it's ok for anyone on this planet to disrespect children or women in any shape or form, then you really just don't get what I'm talking about here.
     
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    Whatever. As I said in the last thread, apples and oranges...

    Based on what you've written on this topic, if you knew what actually goes on with kids today - the things they talk about, the things they do, the messages they very deliberately give out - you would be absolutely, totally shocked.

    It ain't anywhere near as pretty and innocent as you seem to think it is. Nowhere near.
     
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    I know all about what goes on in the world, thank you very much. And that has nothing to do with this thread, so apples and oranges is correct.
     
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