Roddick or Ivanisevic? Who was the better player and who had the greater career?

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  1. GameSampras

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    Who do guys feel was the better player of the two? Who had the greater career? Both won a slam. I shouldnt talk like Roddick's career is over. But it appears his chances of winning a slam are probably over. Bearing an act of god
     
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  2. thalivest

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    IMO Roddick is much better, or atleast much more consistent, on hard courts. Ivanisevic is better on every other surface. However since 2 of the 4 slams are played on hard courts that makes Roddick a real contender at 3 of the 4, and Ivanisevic only 1 of the 4 (other than the odd fluke run like the 96 U.S Open). So I am not really sure. Ivanisevic is by far the more talented player, but he is also a big underachiever. Roddick is a moderate talent who maximizes his limited potential.
     
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    Roddick had a much better career. He won more tournaments, more masters and was #1. He is also more consistent as a top 8 player.
     
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    Like thalivest said, Ivanisevic was more talented, but roddick works very hard. Thats why hes hes better. Even though Ivanisevic has more slam finals, Roddick outdoes him in almost everything else.
     
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  5. Max G.

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    It's close, but I think Roddick. They both have the same number of Slams (1). Roddick's career isn't over, but he already has more tournaments won, slightly, and more masters series events; however, that is less important than the fact that he's been to #1 and Ivanisevic never got there.
     
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    Both have better serves than the guy in your username, but Roddick>Ivanisevic overall. What did Ivanisevic have at Roddick's age?
     
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  7. GameSampras

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    LOL.... Laughable. Roddick? A better serve than Pete? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... Truely laughable
     
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    somebody can dig up tournament wins, weeks in top 10, etc. Guessing by those metrics roddick is probably the more accomplished player.

    having said that, goran is without doubt the more talented player. could play on any surface. also, he won the big w, and was i think in more slam finals. came very close to the number one ranking, in 1996 i think; roddick got there, so, another point for andy.

    goran had the shoulder injury, but even more unfortunately, the permanent brain injury that followed him his entire career--he was the original marat safin.

    roddick's serve is huge; goran's was . . . evil. definitely the all-time ace machine. i remember him having aces where the opponent was so far from making contact with the ball, it looked like he was serving in the deuce court, and they were returning in the ad, and vice-versa. he was fun to watch, erratic but talented off the ground, and at the net.

    i guess you've got my answer.
     
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  9. thalivest

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    Roddick's serve is extremely fast. However compared to Sampras, Ivanisevic, even Karlovic or Krajicek it isnt nearly as heavy, he cant place it on a dime the way those other 3 can, and it is much easier to read. An extremely heavy, perfectly placed, and unreadable serve is much harder to return than a fast serve into your opponents hitting zone time and time again as Roddick produces.
     
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  10. RCizzle65

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    Ivanisevic can be argued....but Roddick? No way, it may be faster, but it isn't as heavy or extremely well placed.
     
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    OBJECTION! (sorry couldnt resist..your ava)

    actually, i have none.
    anyways, imo sampras>ivanisevic=Roddick. On serves..
     
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  12. Beacon Hill

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    If Sampras had Ivo's serve, he may not have lost a set in his career.
     
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  13. 380pistol

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    I don't know. I'd say Goran. His Wimbledon career outshines Roddick's. Throw out Andy's 2 finals as who has he beaten at SW19?? Goran can claim an older Lendl, Edberg, Sampras 92, Becker, Krajicek, Rafter Henman, Safin and even young Roddick. Plus Goran has 3 finals and 2 more SF.

    Roddcik gets the nod at the US Open for his title and final, and his 3 SF give him the nod in Melbourne. But Goran definitely wins the French, wher Roddick is attrocious (and on clay in general), yet Ivanisevic has 3 QF in Paris and has been in the finals of Rome (Courier) and Hamburg (Medvedev).

    Carpet (and/or indoors), I like Goran. He won masters in bothe Stockholm and Paris, as well as 2 othe finals in Stockholm(Becker and Stich). He has also beaten Sampras, Edberg, Becker, Krajicek, Agassi, Chang and Courier.

    Andy may be the more consistent, but Goran is the more talented and bigger threat. Overall achievements may favour Roddick slightly at this point, but I don't know how much wieght that holds seeing what Goran did his against.
     
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  14. Cenc

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    ivanišević for sure
    he did things roddick could just dream of
    from defeating pistol pete at wimby, to winning TRUE wimby
    to 3 more wimby finals
    to few more slam semis
    to world number 2 when it was much more difficult than now
    and ivanišević had every single shot better than roddick (forehand was about the same ok)
    dont even try to compare their serves, ivanišević had the best serve in the history of tennis (remember the guy who hit around 1200 aces every year)
     
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    Thanks for your comments. I might add that Ivanisevic faced players who would make a fool of Roddick. He has hung around for a long time and that seems to imply some form of accomplishment. But I don't think he will be here much longer.
     
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  16. DarkSephiroth

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    Ivanisevic was the better player. (When he wanted to be)

    Roddick has the greater career.
     
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    Roddick, it's not even a question to me. Ivanisevic is overrated.
     
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  18. stormholloway

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    Actually, they each had 4 slam singles finals, and Roddick's career is far from over.
     
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  19. clayman2000

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    Roddick no question.
    Dont get me wrong, i love Gorans perseverance, but Roddick is just too solid.

    Firstly, Roddick has made the slam semis of 3 majors at least 3 times. Goran only made 1 USO semi.

    Secondly Roddick ended a year no 1. Goran didnt.

    3rdly Roddick 4 Masters to Gorans 2

    4thly, Although both have a Davis Cup, Goran never played in his

    Also remember that Goran won his slam at age 30. Now I know we are not comparing what Roddick will likely end up with, but more like what he has now, i would say if there is a player on todays game who could pull a Goran, Roddick would definitely be at the top of that list
     
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    I agree with everything except the forehand. Goran's fh was good but nothing special. you forget to mention that goran had a much better backhand. better volleys and imo, better movement. Also, imo, it's not even close when talking about serve. Roddick has an amazing serve, to be compared with the best but Goran had the most untouchable serve I'd ever seen. Roddick's serve is scary but Goran's just made you give up. Roddick has done lot's with his limited talent so career wise, it's hard to compare. But regarding talent, I'd have to go with Goran.
     
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    Not even close regarding serve? I think it's pretty close. Roddick doesn't get enough credit for his serve, somehow.
     
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    Ditto.
    One of the best serves of the gane EVER.

    Regarding Karlovic - Its more about his height than his serv motion.
    I have a feeling that his serve in a 6"2 body would not be anywhere near as good.
     
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  23. helloworld

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    Roddick's serve is good, but it ain't no Ivanisevic's serve, and it sure as hell ain't Sampras's serve!
     
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    What made Pete's serve the best by FAR is his SECOND serve, not his first serve.
     
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  25. clayman2000

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    Limited talent?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbSRRDQF7YQ&feature=related

    I can show you more if you like?
    Limited talent players dont get to number 1 in the world
     
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    i hate u
    i wanted to write the same thing but u were faster :p

    haha exactly
    the match where amazing roddick lost to 34 y-o aga
    amazing... really unbelievable
     
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  28. Joseph L. Barrow

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    Perhaps Ivanisevic had more potential, but surely Roddick is the better player overall. He has been #1, maintained a top 10 ranking far longer and more consistently, won more total titles and more big titles, has a better record in terms of having success across multiple Slams. Ivanisevic was basically only ever a threat at Wimbledon, never getting past the quarters at the Australian or the French and never even getting to the quarters at the US Open outside his one semifinal finish, while Roddick has won and made the final at the US Open, been a two-time finalist and one-time semifinalist, all thwarted by Federer, at Wimbledon, and been a four-time semifinalist at the Australian- in short, Roddick has been a legitimate perennial contender at three of the four Slams. Moreover, Roddick is still active and successful on a high level, will probably win at least a few more titles, and still has an outside shot at each of those three aforementioned Slams.
     
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    it doesnt reflect their games
    ivanišević was a much better player
    roddick did more because he was world n1 in 2003
    (quite bad season with schuettler and coria in top 10 though, right?)
     
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    Roddick was Number 1 when? 2003? That year was a crapfest. Roger had yet to prime, Pete was retired, Andre was on his last legs etc. Did we forget Goran whooping on Roddick at Wimbeldon in 01. He couldnt even see Goran's serves
     
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    Roddick would have been 18 at that time when they played in 01, and had less than a year of pro experience

    And in 2003 Federer was still amazing. Agassi had a great year, Pete had been gone from the top since 2000, Ferrero had an amazing year. That would be like saying that 01 and 02 were bad years becuase Sampras was old and wasnt consistent, and the new era had yet to form. In that case, 09 is a bad year becuase Federer suks, a quiter is in the top 4, as is a pusher.

    Stop making excuses, finished a year number 1 is an amazing feat.
     
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    Andre a great year in 03? He won the Australian Open beating some bum in the finals. What other slams did he grab or come close to grabbing? None. He got injured and was forced to withdraw from a crapload of tournaments in 03. Not to mention he was 33 freakin years old. He snatched the #1 ranking for like 4 months.

    Andre's 2003 season wasnt all that great. Certainly not 1999 great. He spent most of the year injured. When youre injured for most of the year, I wouldnt call that a "great year."
     
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    Goran was a far more one-dimensional player than Roddick ever was.
     
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    Ohlol My bad :(
     
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    2003 was a good year for Andre but not great by any means. He definitely had moments of brilliance though. The 2003 AO he performed amazingly..although he did get a bit lucky. Andy did not make it there as Younes El Aynaoui played the best ever tennis of his life forcing Andy to go 21-19 in the last set..So Andy was well a tad bit eshausted but you must give Rainer credit he took down Nalby and Roddick in a row..but then Safin was suffering injuries that gave Rainer the chance probably to get the far. So it was a very confusing tournament as a whole as in the conditions Andre won but he beat the guy down 6-2, 6-2, 6-1...that was quite a feat for a "washed up" 33 year old. Washed up or not putting a 6-2, 6-2, 6-1 beatdown on someone in a slam final is a sign of a flash of brilliance. Andre was really playing great that season. It was around clay court season his performance started to fade and he could not grab titles or defend his master series, but when he was there he was playing strong. The slams he brought his best and same goes for the year end championships. Andre was no god that year but it was an overall good year for Andre and he was not playing like rubbish. It is an insult when you say he was falling off and off form he actually had some great matches. 2003 also had a few other really good players. Andre did make a US Open semifinal...

    Your top 10 had Roddick, Agassi, Federer, Juan Carlos Ferrero and Coria two strong clay courters..Nalbandian who went on fire at the end of the year, Rainer Schuetller who had a really strong year that year as well with a bunch of deep runs in master series and that slam final..sure it was no huge depth but Roddick was not beating a bunch of garbage. I would say Roddick did quite a good job.

    Overall I favor Roddick over Ivansievic though I think Ivanisevic had more talent Roddick just performed better overall. Ivanisevic was really a fast court player..thats about it. He had those few decent runs at France but nothing that makes you want to say hey Ivansievic is a really good clay court player. Roddick is worse than him on clay but than saying he is better than Roddick is not saying much as I would pick neither to well. Ivansievic was inconsistent at too many points in his career and that is why i favor Roddick more. Ivansievic had more talent in my opinion and a better game but Roddick did better. Though this is all up in the air..but I must admit this a really hard comparison and I might in a week want to change this answer.

    Man great question. =]
     
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    Roddick by a bit. Just a bit more consistency than Ivanisevic.
     
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    Goran is better on grass and clay

    1st serve - Goran
    2nd serve - Roddick
    Forehand - Roddick
    Backhand - Goran
    Volley - Goran
    Movement - Goran
    Return of serve - Goran
    Mental strength - Roddick

    That is how I see it.
     
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    This maybe sheer nonsense but despite Andy Roddick having the better career I see Goran Ivanišević as the better player. Not by a little but by a lot.
     
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    how about carpet? goran won like 15 or so carpet titles, with sampras and becker he was the king of carpet
    and roddick?
     
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    I think the feeling at the time was when Goran's serve was on, it was the best in tennis. Pretty sure even Pete has said that. But day in and day out, Pete's serve was more consistently great. And his second serve was better than Goran's second.
     
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    roddick played like 1 tournament a year on carpet........................and carpet is now banned from ATP. roddick had a better career - therefore he is the better player.

    why is sampras the goat? - because he had a better career than everyone else. if prime goran played prime arod - roddick would win at least 9/10.
    when goran won wimbledon in 2001, roddick wasn't that good, and he still managed to make it tight in the 3rd round. in 2003 roddick would just dominate him

    and lets not forget - the only reason gorans serve was more effective than roddick's is because the surface at wimbledon back then suited the big servers. if roddick was around in the 90's then he might have dominated, you never know, at 18 he was able to beat sampras comfortably.

    and all of this talk about talent too is getting on my nerves - what good is talent if you can't back it up with good results or hell even mental strength.

    i give up on this forum
     
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    Yes, Roddick has limited talent for someone of his achievements. He's got an above average forehand, average backhand, bad volleys, average movement, and a very good serve. In fact, his forehand's pretty overrated. Fact is, he get's alot out of the talent he has and rarely beats himself. Unlike many on his board, I like him. I appreciate his effort but I don't think he's uber talented.
     
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  44. navratilovafan

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    I agree.

    1st serve - Goran
    2nd serve - Roddick
    Forehand - Roddick
    Backhand - Goran
    Volley - Goran
    Movement - Goran
    Return of serve - Goran
    Mental strength - Roddick

    Looks right. As for surfaces:

    Hard courts- Roddick
    Clay- Goran
    Grass- Goran
    Carpet- Goran

    So Goran clearly overall. He has many more pluses in the comparision than Roddick.
     
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    I agree with that. Roddick is a hard worker and an underrated competitor. His talent and potential were always far overrated in the American press. He is a moderate talent who overachieves through hard work and determination. He never was a great talent with alot of potential for true greatness.
     
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    As for the year end #1 in 2003 I wouldnt say it was a great field.

    #2 Federer- wildly inconsistent, 0 Masters titles, no quarterfinals of slams outsides Wimbledon. Some horrible showings for his later standard all year- French 1 rd loss to Horna, 3 or 4 losses in a row to Nalbandian, loss to injured Kuerten on hard courts, big choke vs slumping Hewitt in Davis Cup. Yet despite all this still was only the tiniest margin in points behind Roddick at years end. Given his comprehensive wins over Roddick in Wimbledon final and year end Masters semis most agreed Federer was the best player in the World, not Roddick, at year end, despite the rankings. This despite Federer was at most only 50% what he would be from 2004-2007.

    3. Ferrero- great clay court player. Other than a fluke U.S Open final was pretty much nothing on all other surfaces. Despite this was ranked #1 near the end of the year and could have easily been year end #1 over Roddick had he just played decently and won a couple matches at the year end Masters. Might have beaten Roddick in U.S Open final without some biased scheduling anyway.

    4. Agassi- as already noted 33 years old. Won a slam title by with a joke draw, an aging Ferreira in the semis and Schuettler in the finals. Like Federer this year not even close to the player he was at his best. Still Roddick played him twice and choked away a set and break lead on the green clay of Houston, and barely beat Agassi on grass in Queens- having to save a match point I believe. Was also ranked #1 a good part of the year at 33.

    Not sure who else. Nalbandian was his usual inconsistent self, his best tennis is better than Roddick's of course but he rarely brings it and even when he does he chokes the match away like the U.S Open semis. Safin and Hewitt were MIA this year. Safin was injured and had to miss the whole year, so it wasnt like 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005 were he was atleast hanging around. Hewitt dropped out of the top 10 altogether this year, had an awful year, and given his dominance over Roddick even as late as 2004-2005 he probably would have been #1 over Roddick had he been in form this year. Even the 2004-2005 which wasnt that strong was alot stronger than 2003. Hewitt and Safin atleast returned, Federer became Federer, and Nalbandian became a little bit more consistent (still not enough of course), while a young Nadal emerged.
     
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    No question about it. Goran was a much better athlete. Bigger, quicker, better feel and coordination. Andy is stronger, but that doesn't really compensate much.

    As for career, Roddick takes it, and he deserved it. He's worked more consistently harder and been mentally tougher. He has been a much more consistent player.

    In terms of who was the superior player at their best, it's no contest. Ivanisevic moved better, volleyed MUCH better, his groundies were on/off but at his best, just as powerful as Roddick off the forehand and far, far superior off the backhand. His return was also better. Andy's biggest weapon, his serve, is not in the same league as Goran's in terms of aces or damage done, even though he has slightly better speed. The disguise is where all the difference between them lies (Goran's lefty spin doesn't hurt either).
     
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  48. RoddickAce

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    Andre won 2 slams in 1999, other than that he only won one slam a year max. Of his many years on tour, 2003 was a year where he was able to get 1 slam, matching his second best amount of slams in a year. So yes, it was a good year for him.
     
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    and that year only won two since Sampras missed the U.S Open with a last minute injury. Otherwise he would have zero 2 slam years. GameSampras, Agassi was in the semis of the U.S Open, and at the French Open he lost in the quarters to the Worlds 2nd best clay courter at the time. I would say those are coming pretty close.
     
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    Ivanisevic didnt make more slam finals, he played 4 wimbledon finals winning 1, while Roddick made 2 Wimbledon Finals and 2 Usopen Finals winning 1. Roddick has also had at least 3 other semi final appearances I can think of
     
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