Roddick v. Murray - Wimbledon Semifinal

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  1. tvp900

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    For those of you who know me on this forum, you know I'm a major Roddick fan, so I might be a bit biased. But I think if someone doesn't take out Del Potro in an early round, Roddick has the edge against him. Especially on the grass courts he's had such success on. Then, statistically, he would meet Murray in the semis. I predict Roddick making the final this year. But hear me out first:

    1. Roddick himself has said that he isn't in that illustrious group of Grand Slam potentials so he has virtually no pressure on him and he's fitter than he's been in a long time.

    2. Murray has come up short on several occasions in the grand slam department over the last 12 months and has MASSIVE pressure to win on his home courts or win a slam at all.

    Maybe it will all FINALLY come together for Roddick and he'll have a shot at another slam trophy to match the dusty one from 2003
     
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  2. joeri888

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    Quite well a possible semifinal, and it could be absolutely MINDBLOWING good, or it could be a walk in the park for Murray. Either way, it's way too early to talk about this one, but I'd kinda like it to happen, especially the Roddick part.
     
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  3. Clydey2times

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    Murray has come up short once in the last 12 months. That was in Australia, where he was ill.
     
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  4. IvanAndreevich

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    There is a big "IF" - that's Roddick's ankle injury. That's why I think DP will be in the semis. Wouldn't mind seeing Roddick there either, though.
     
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  5. zagor

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    I still think Roddick needs someone to take Murray out for him,Murray's just a terrible match-up for him.
     
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  6. Cesc Fabregas

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    Roddick can't be counted out of any match on a non clay surface mainly due to the fact if he has a great serving day he can beat anyone.
     
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  7. joeri888

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    I kind of agree, but ROddick's always got a shot against anyone if he's got a good serving day. He's not gonna lose too many games on serve.

    Can anyone tell me how their match at TMC last year was? Roddick won a set 6-1
     
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    naw it's a tiny tiny if; Roddick said the time needed to recover from the injury was days, not weeks, so I expect him to be fighting fit and ready to go.

    It could be a great match if it happens; if Roddick is going to get close it will have to be a monumental effort on his part though imo. I dunno, I just find it hard to see him knocking over Murray without a fight, whist I can actually see Murray rolling Roddick if he's playing great
     
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  9. maddogz32

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    roddick and murray arent going to win anyways
     
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  10. maximo

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    Murray would win it easy.
     
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  11. zagor

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    I agree that you can never count out Roddick,especially on grass.But Murray is really one of the best(if not the best)on tour at neutralizing big serves so serving him off court is very difficult IMO.So I feel that Roddick will have to play great from the baseline as well,and be very agressive with his FH(try not to get into cat and mouse play with Murray)if he wants to beat Murray.
     
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    I eagerly anticipate this match and think obviously Roddick could win it but either way it will not be easy for Murray OR Roddick.

    as a side note--could someone tell me why Del Potro took Nadal's spot? shouldn't a Lucky Loser or WC replace him? doesn't this essentially make Delpo the #1 seed..?
     
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  13. NamRanger

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    If Roddick would attack with the forehand Murray wouldn't be such a bad match-up.
     
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  14. zagor

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    Yes,but I didn't really see Roddick do that at Queens.If he really goes for it with his FH like he did against Fed in Wimbledon 2004(I recently watched that match again)he definitely has a shot.
     
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  15. NamRanger

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    Or if for 2 weeks he develops Edberg like volleys.
     
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  16. zagor

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    LOL,you never know.I don't think his volleys looked bad this year actually,they were pretty solid,he just needs to approach better.
     
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  17. NamRanger

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    That would be a really scary thought. Roddick serve + Edberg volleys. How can you be broken?
     
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  18. zagor

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    He'd be a monster for sure.Even on slower modern grass he'd be almost unstoppable.
     
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    Roger Federer finds a way, trust me;)
     
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  20. MarcRosset1992

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    Cannot wait.

    Whoever wins then goes on the get slaughtered by Fed anyway, but good effort.
     
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  21. zagor

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    Lol,maybe but Fed doesn't really return that agressively against Roddick,he merely blocks it or floats it back but if Roddick had Edberg volleys(maybe best volleys ever)that would be suicide.Fed would have to go for a lot more on return of serve.
     
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  22. joeri888

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxzFlrFfUrg

    enough said ;)

    Without joking, I think Federer would have a tough time, but Federer just reads to Roddick serve so amazingly well. And when his passing shots are on.. I'm sure he'll break, not as much as he does now though
     
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  23. zagor

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    Yeah that one was great,returning 140 mph serve on the line,just too good.

    Maybe you're right but the matches would be at the very least a lot tighter,it would be a lot of 5 setters.
     
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  24. NamRanger

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    Federer doesn't return nearly as well as he did before. Roddick wins alot of cheap points off of Federer now than he ever has. The problem is his baseline game has regressed so much he can't hurt him from the back of the court, and his volleys just aren't good enough.
     
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    The other problem is that Roddick is a lousy returner (for a top 20 ATP professional that is). Therefore Federer can generally hold serve with ease and just wait until Roddick plays a sloppy service game or take his chances in a TB. I also think that Roddick generally starts to lose a little on his serves by the third set (slightly less pace, decline in first serve %) so if he's not up 2 sets, he's in real trouble.
     
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  26. thalivest

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    While it is incredibly scary to imagine a player with Edberg's volleys combined with Roddick's serve the scary thing is to realize Sampras has a clearly better serve than Roddick and is only a smidge less of a volleyer then Edberg. So imagine playing him, especialy when you combine the forehand, athletic ability, and mental toughness as well.
     
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  27. Breaker

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    Tomas Berdych to take Roddick down in round of 16, then Hewitt to beat him - leaving us with a much more entertaining Hewitt/Murray matchup to determine who wins the title.
     
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    Shouting for ANDY will be quite funny if this is the Semi:)
     
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  29. zagor

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    Well,there's a reason the man was so dominant on grass(7 Wimbledons with pretty tough grass competition is just insane)although I consider Edberg to have been clearly a class above even Pete in volleying department(that's not a knock of Sampras as Edberg might have had the best volleys ever).Still even Sampras with all his ability wasn't undefeatable on grass as Krajicek and to a lesser extent even Goran showed so I guess no one is undefeatable although Sampras was pretty close to that at Wimbledon.

    Sampras certainly did have a better serve than Roddick but sometimes I think Roddick's serve gets a bit underrated here,proably because Fed has always dealt with it comfortably.Just because Fed who always had great reflexes when returning big serves can neutralize Roddick's serve doesn't mean it's still not a great serve.I disagree with people who say that Fed for example has a better serve than Andy,I think that's clearly not the case.
     
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  30. Gugafan

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    Murray 19 yr old rookie, was able to dominate Roddick at Wimbledon a few years back. Then again this year in Doha, Roddick got schooled in another one-sided match.

    Clearly Roddicks serve is going to be a big weapon on the grass, but Murray outplays him in all other departments of the game.

    Furthermore, Hewitt is in Roddicks section of the draw, and is certainly capable of mixing it with the best (on grass) if he can get a few matches under his belt.
     
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  31. MarrratSafin

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    I hope Roddick can finally win a Wimbledon title. This is his best chance in recent years but he'll need to be on top of his game to have a shot. Just RIP that forehand please!
     
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    I would love for Roddick to go deep. I don't like his style of play but over the last few years he has given 110%, made the most of his options, dedicated himself to becoming fit, and is #1 in the interview room!
     
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  33. NamRanger

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    When Roddick actually backs up his serve, Federer finds it very hard to break Roddick. A good example would be the first two sets at the USO 2007, where Federer didn't even get a sniff at breaking Roddick's serve.



    I mean, if he would just play like this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u7D3iQxlUo


    He'd have a pretty good shot at beating anyone at Wimbledon or the USO. Those first two sets Federer barely escaped despite playing very good tennis. He had to come up with some stellar shots.
     
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  34. NamRanger

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    19 year old Murray beat Roddick who was playing the worst tennis of his life in 2006. Roddick was losing left and right to players today he wouldn't lose to in 10 matches.
     
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    Roddick was amazing in that match,I think in the first 2 sets he was getting something like 80% first serves in.He was crushing the ball from the baseline,not just the FH but he hit even a couple of great DTL BH as well,he was going toe-to-toe with still prime Fed from the baseline in the first 2 sets.

    Fed got outa of that match alive because he played 2 almost perfect tiebreakers(one of the best I've ever seen him play)and then Roddick's level dropped in the last set but things could have gone very differently if a couple of points went Roddick's way in the tiebreakers.

    That match is how IMO Roddick should always play,atleast against the top 3.They move better than him,Roddick can't outsmart them,outangle them so overpowering them is always the best bet for him.If Roddick plays like that more often then I think he definitely has a shot at getting one more slam before he retires.

    Matches like that from Roddick is why it's hard for me to agree with many posters here when they say Roddick "overachieved".How did he overachieve when 90% of the time since 2003/2004 he doesn't play the the way he's supposed to with his body type? He's capable of hitting one of the biggest FHs ever yet for the last 4 years he just seems content to keep the ball in.You don't have to be a coach to realize that Roddick is built to play power tennis,that's what brought his biggest success,he should stick to that.
     
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    Oh yes, it boggles my mind why Roddick refuses to play like the above. One of Federer's classic plays that usually works against Roddick is the heavy crosscourt forehand. Not so much in this match. The scary part was when Federer went crosscourt with a heavy topspin forehand, Roddick rifled it right back at him, and put him on the defense.


    I mean, sometimes when I watch Roddick, occasionally he'll absolutely rip a forehand. Then I wonder "uh, why haven't you been doing that the whole time".
     
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    Del will be there
     
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    You've to remember. Roddick was in terrible shape the last 5 years. He never lost 10 pounds in the 2004 Wimbledon match, but he lied, as usual, about losing 12 pounds (maybe to make the media and family happy).
     
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    This is a better example I think
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QSCnxcH30c
     
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    I've been trying to find that.


    ugh, I hate John Roddick and Dean Goldfine. They should never be allowed to coach a pro player again. Totally ruined one of the best 1st strike tennis players since Sampras.
     
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  41. Cesc Fabregas

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    He should never have fired Brad Gilbert he fired Gilbert because he didn't win a slam in 04 totally kneejerk.
     
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    Oh yes. I can't wait for fan boys to say Gilbert My Love.

    For the thousandth time, Gilbert called Roddick nothing but a serve and begged him to serve 160 mph and gain weight. Yeah, classy coach...like that other Federer bandwagon jumper Cahill.
     
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    Roddick's mother, Carillo, Pat McEnroe and Bud Collins begged for Brad Gilbert. I wonder why she rarely showed up to his matches after the year 2004. some :shock: She didn't show any smile when he got the Davis Cup trophy.

    John and Goldfine showed up to be yes men and give Roddick companionship. Certainly not for coaching. Roddick fans just jumped up and down with love for them. Unbelievable.
     
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    There is a reason Roddick is not in the top 4 in the world. He Won't be around come semi-final day.
     
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    I'd love to see that:twisted:

    the only thing Roddick has over Murray is the serve and maybe the forehand

    Murray's 2 hander is better

    and he uses his 1 handed slice better

    he unlike Roddick can drop shot

    Murray has great approach shots and he can volley


    Murray is great at defense and is superb in defense to offense

    Murray knows how to handle Roddick's serves and when he gets his racquet on it he more than 80% of the time will win the point

    Murray will use the Federer playbook and block the serve back and pass him

    or he'll serve big and drop shot Roddick

    Murray will have the crowd on his side and unless he's played a couple of 5 set matches and is tired; if he and Roddick were to meet he'll want to show Roddick why he's world # 3:mrgreen:
     
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  46. navratilovafan

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    I agree totally. It was a total knee jerk reaction and a big mistake. He wasnt going to win atleast 1 slam for 8 straight years and end up with 10-12. That just wasnt ever his potential. So obviously there would be some years he didnt win a slam even with the best coaching and play, and 2004 happened to be one of those, but it doesnt mean he wasnt going to win slams in the future at some point if he stayed with Gilbert, and certainly his standard of play would have been higher.
     
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    This thread is pointless, Roddick will not make it to the SF.
     
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    Have you seen his draw? Who is going to stop him. Murray will almost no doubt stop him in the semis but I dont see it happening before then.
     
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  49. Cesc Fabregas

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    Agreed Roddick was alway a 2-4 slam kind of guy if he had stayed will Gilbert he could be sitting on that that now.
     
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    ITA and he would still have a killer forehand vs that loopy soopy whatever he has now.
     
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