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  1. Chopin

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    I find it very humorous that many of you on this message board hate Andy Roddick with a passion rarely seen outside of debates on abortion or Iraq. In the eyes of many posters- Roddick is "unintelligent," possesses a "game that is so just so ugly that I hate him" and is a "poor sport." But most importantly-he's a "bad tennis player" and "destroying the game with his lack of skill and power-game" Most of the posters bashing Roddick come off as totally moronic, while a few raise rational and reasonable justifications for disliking Roddick. Reasonable objections to Roddick are points concerning Roddick's sometimes juvenile behavior on the court, P-Mac’s non-stop Roddick hype :), or perhaps simply not enjoying Roddick’s style of play. Idiotic objections to Roddick simply consist of absurd statements about Roddick's "lack of skill" and his "destroying the game" or better yet “I hate Andy Roddick-he sucks.” Yet I’m sure many of the hardcore “Roddick Bashers” enjoy Andre Agassi-who’s behavior has been less than classy at times in his early years. Or even in his later years-hitting serves at linesmen-etc... Yet Agassi-like Johny-Mac (There’s a well behaved player for you), is justly one of the most adored players in the history of tennis. Perhaps those who object to Roddick so much should remember that Roddick is still young and has improved his behavior. There are many other players who’s behavior aren't the greatest on the court. Take Safin for instance-Safin isn’t exactly a great role model for young players-yet there aren’t legions of “I hate Safin” posts popping up. And it is important to remember that Andy isn’t all that bad-he justly gives his opponent credit after losses. Take his losses to Federer for example-Roddick‘s comments praise Federer and offer little excuse for his own performance on the court. I’m sure it isn’t easy to lose to the #1 player over and over again. Yes Roddick is not perfect-no one is. And for those of you that claim that Roddick is a “bad tennis player”-he still is undisputedly the 2nd best player in all of men’s tennis-to say otherwise is foolish.
     
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  2. AAAA

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    Comparing Roddick to Agassi or Johnny Mac is insulting. Roddick's shot accuracy is no better than a middle of the road pro and his ability to construct a point is barely much better if better at all.

    His consistency is much better than average and his power is way above average. Those are the two physical reasons why he has achieved what he has and also the basis for people disliking his game and calling it 1D. Put simply Andy can't take a players game apart he just blows them up with power. His power is impressive though.
     
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  3. K!ck5w3rvE

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    Yep i agree with everything AAAA says, but I'll also say that his ability to make a big first serve when he is down break points is amazing...he makes them at about 85%.
     
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  4. Camilio Pascual

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    Holding Roddick responsible for PMac's adulation is not reasonable at all.
     
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    I agree. Hitting your biggest shots under pressure needs alot of mental strength and the right temperment. Roddick's mental strength is as strong as any champion I have seen past or present. Nobody doubts the champion level desire and mental strength of Roddick. Some people just don't like the physical aspect of his game.
     
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    I think most of us on this board really do not hate Roddick, just ESPN's constant hype about an American player. Yes, Roddick is the best American player at this time. Yes, he is one of the best top 10 players in the world, but some of us like to watch quality matches rather than one player.
    P McEnroe is so bias it is a joke. I am sure many of you are like myself, and have to turn the volume down just to watch the match. It was the same deal with the William sisters, got old in a hurry. Tennis fans like quality matches, and many quality matches are not shown, just so we can see Roddick beat up on a 100-ranked player.
    I enjoy watching Federer, Hewitt, Agassi, Safin, and many other players. Roddick matches in general are boring. Big serve, 2 ball rallies, and not much strategy. He seems to draw the most players ranked between 50 and 100. Seldom plays anyone who beat him before. In addition, never plays top 10 players, as his record shows he tend to lose to them. http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/players/46 . Yes, he did beat two top 10 players on grass, and beat Moya at the NASDAQ and injured Coria in the final, but that was about it.
    One other comment, Roddick serve is hyped as being the best, if true why doesn’t he get more aces. I think Federer has a better serve than Roddick.
     
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    "Comparing Roddick to Agassi or Johnny Mac is insulting. Roddick's shot accuracy is no better than a middle of the road pro and his ability to construct a point is barely much better if better at all."
    AAAA-I was not comparing their tennis games-I was making a point about their on court demeanors. Nice try.
     
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    "Holding Roddick responsible for PMac's adulation is not reasonable at all."

    I was actually making a joke :)
     
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  9. AAAA

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    Ok I'll explain it. When you play mesmerising tennis like Johnny Mac, Rios or Agassi( in his earlier years) more people are more willing to see beyond character foibles. When someone plays like Roddick their game isn't to many people a redeeming quality.
     
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  10. johnkidd

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    People don't get on Safin about behavior because he uses a players frame and can hit all the shots in the book, compared to Roddick that uses that awful PD+ which allows him the ability to hit a serve and forehand...leading to his inflated ranking.
    FYI....prefer Federer to Roddick and I'm ticked off that Roddick is the featured match tonight here in Cin'ti since I'm going.
     
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    barry,

    perhaps roddick has been getting some favorable draws. But maybe that's one of the perks of being a highly seeded player. Nevertheless, while Roddick hasn't played a ton of top 10 players...he's still beaten some very very quality opponents outside the top 10. Mario Ancic at Wimbledon was playing beautifully and definitely at a high level. He's beaten Kiefer twice, who as of late has been on fire. He beat Safin at Indian Wells.
     
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  12. SonicSpeed

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    Roddick's serve IS the best on tour right now. Check out the ATP serving stats. He leads in most of the categories.

    The reason you see more aces from Federer when he faces Roddick is because Roddick is a worse returner. But when compared to the rest of the tour, Roddick's serve holds up better.

    Roddick also led 4/5 out of 6 serving categories in the tour at the end of last year.

    You make like Fed's serve better, and that is entirely your personal choice. But the numbers/stats show who's serve is better/more effective overall.
     
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  13. Free_Martha

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    Good post, Chopin. I agree with most of your points.

    That's not Roddick's fault, is it?

    Regarding PMac's constant adulation of Roddick---that tends to happen when you know someone so well and you work with him during the Davis Cup.

    Nobody complains about PMac's constant praise of Federer though, I noticed. Hm.
     
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  14. Chopin

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    Thank you for posting. You epitomize what I was saying about crazed Roddick haters making poor points. “Safin uses a players racket. Therefore, its okay that he smashes rackets and complains about calls even more than Roddick” Nice point man. And there is nothing “inflated” about Roddick’s ranking-Roddick IS the second best player in men’s tennis-whether you like his style of play or not.
     
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  15. mlee2

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    He leads the board on total aces at No. 1 709 aces. What more do you want from him? You want him to DOUBLE Federer's count? Federer has 392 aces so far. But of course, using your dumass logic, his aces are a lot better than Roddick's right?

    I used to be a detractor of Roddick's myself before I came onto this board but you dumasses get completely unreasonable about this guy sometimes, it makes me want to be his fan.
     
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    Once again, Roddick haters ignoring facts and holding Roddick to unreasonable expectations that you would never hold any other player to. For the simple reason of disliking Roddick.
     
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  17. speedofpain88

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    Roddick is a great player no matter what. Hitting with his power and relative consistency is just as much of an accomplishment as a player who "can construct a point." Don't foold yourself and think that what Andy does is easier. It takes just as much work.
     
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  18. Chopin

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    I agree
     
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  19. Free_Martha

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    Nice to have someone like you around here, Chopin. I've actually had people send me hate mail because I defend Roddick and somebody actually tried to impersonate me on the boards before the mods finally banned him.

    That's the kind of histrionic morons you'll have to deal with around here. But you look like you're made out of tough stock. And your arguments actually hold water. ;)
     
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