Roddick's game injury-prone?

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  1. david aames

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    What are the odds that Roddick will end up with a serious injury in the near future? Reading the comments on Hingis and The Williams I couldn't help but wonder...

    I'm not sure if you guys noticed that PMAC mentioned that he hurt his back a few weeks ago and we all know that he has ankle support on both feet...
     
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  2. Roforot

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    I keep expecting his shoulder to go from his serve and forehand. I don't think his ankles are a new problem or a big deal. I think Hewitt also tapes his ankles. The back injury is something I hadn't heard of? Do you have any more details?
     
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  3. @wright

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    You almost have to think his arm is going to fly over the net with racquet in hand one of these days. The way he hits that forehand, I really can't see him having a long healthy career. Then again, I'm certainly no expert.
     
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  4. david aames

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    This is the AP story:

    Roddick won't blame injury for loss
    But U.S. star was hobbled by bad back

    The Associated Press
    Updated: 11:58 a.m. ET Feb. 22, 2004

    MEMPHIS, Tenn. - Andy Roddick wasn’t able to play through an injury this time.


    A bad back hampered Roddick at the Kroger St. Jude on Friday night, and he lost to Thomas Enqvist 7-6 (8), 6-3 in the quarterfinals.

    He refused to blame his back for the loss.

    “Thomas came out firing on all cylinders, and I thought he served very well. I would have had my hands full either way,” Roddick said. “He plays great indoors. He came out, we had some good rallies, and he just played better on the big points. I just didn’t bring it enough.”

    Roddick is 14-3 in matches this year, with his lone tournament victory coming last week at San Jose, Calif., in the Siebel Open. Treatment helped him play through a neck problem there.

    But he woke up Friday morning with back spasms. He had a chiropractic adjustment and treatment and felt ready to go, especially after warmups. Then his back started acting up.

    “I was walking back from the locker room, looked this way, and it kind of froze,” Roddick said.

    He wasn’t sure whether he would be able to play and kept working to loosen up his back.

    “I definitely didn’t want to let the fans down out there,” Roddick said.

    But he fell short of making his third straight trip to the finals in this event.

    Roddick showed early how much his back bothered him. He barely got his powerful serve above 130 mph, and double-faulted while leading 6-5 in the tiebreaker.

    “It would catch on me, I’d kind of wince a little bit and maybe not commit to the shot totally,” he said.

    He still had 17 aces and three break points in the 78-minute match but could not convert. Enqvist was just too strong.

    The Swede, ranked 95th at the end of 2003, fought off two set points in the tiebreaker. Then he broke Roddick’s serve to go up 3-1 in the second set, and clinched the victory on his fifth match point.

    “Roddick’s one of the best players in the world, so I’m very satisfied,” Enqvist said.

    This was not how Roddick wanted to leave the tournament. He won his fourth title at The Racquet Club in 2002 and lost to Taylor Dent in the finals here last year.

    Fans tried to cheer Roddick through his discomfort. Roddick said he really wanted to win again in Memphis and called the support amazing.

    “See you here next year,” he said.
     
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  5. alienhamster

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    It's so hard to tell what will happen to players physically over the years. Remember, too, that Federer had pretty bad back spasms during Wimbledon last year, and he's got the smoothest looking game around.

    Roddick's got a live arm, so maybe he'll be okay. Or maybe his shoulder will explode. Who knows?
     
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  6. david aames

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    I have to say that I'm very interested in seeing which path he will take re' his fitness. He is obviously still very young and it looks like his shoulders are bigger already since last year. Sampras in 2002 is nothing like the man he was in 93...
     
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  7. pound cat

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    A player who remains pretty much injury free is Hewitt. However, he is prone to viral infections and asthma, which may or may not be be stress-induced conditions brought on from playing this tension-filled game, and its demanding lifestyle.
     
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  8. sseemiller

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    Hard to say how injury--prone his game is, but he seemed more injury-prone earlier in his career than he is now.

    But don't most players seem injury-prone these days. Look at the Top 10. You had Moya out with an ankle injury. Coria's had his issues. Nalbanian has been out a lot with wrist issues. Ferrero's out with the chicken pox. And Henman is back, but he's been icing his shoulder after every match.

    Injuries are always a way of life of the Tour, but today's game is making it hard for anyone to play tournament after tournament without an injury issue. And these are young guys . . .

    Many have been calling Nadal injury-prone, and there's a certain truthfulness to that. He's only 17, and has issues with tendonitis in his left knee, and wears a knee brace.

    And I'm not even going to talk about the women's tour on this issue. As it's even worse there . . .
     
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  9. Matt H.

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    i just have a hard time picturing Roddick at the of 27-28 with those motions.
     
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  10. david aames

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    It also looks like he hits more shots off balance than most players...

     
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    he does indeed...watch his head. it is all over the place except on his backhand..that is a sign of hitting off balance....compare that to federer or pick any of the russians either now or in the past and see how on balance they always are..take kafelnikof..his head never moved off plane. i agree w. the posters that say that andy wont have a long career due to injury..plus he must go all out on more shots than a federer to win..and then his service motion is a story unto itself..and then there is the stiff frrame..and then..and then..all IMO of course Ed
     
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  12. SonicSpeed

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    That's certainly an off-balance shot...or is it? I think Andy just heaved himself into the shot.
     
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    This shot looks fine to me, his weight is transferring at this moment.

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  14. Camilio Pascual

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    I agree with Verbal. His weight is being shifted at just the right time. If it's on his front foot, he shifted too early. If it's on his back, he doesn't have time to shift the weight. David Aames, what you are showing is a textbook example of proper weight transfer and timing. The irony of your picture is that you could easily get a picture of a pro showing "wrong" form from almost any match, especially if they got hurried by the other pro.
     
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  15. david aames

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    Ok, what about a picture of the same defensive shot hit by Federer?
    Roddick is shifting all the weight he can to his right shoulder. See how his left elbow is stressed against his body? On the other hand, Federer is using his left arm to balance the weight transfer...

     
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  16. NoBadMojo

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    well check out his head..it is not in the right place...a clear sign of being off balance. it;s spinning around like Linda Blair in the Exorcist. as far as weight shift there is no way to tell from that picture, but suggests he is gonna hit off the back foot and is just muscling and flailing away at the ball in a straight legged sort of way and that his arm is doing it all to catch up to the shot. but everyone here is sure welcome to think as they like. Ed
     
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  17. NoBadMojo

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    i was referencing roddick of course and not fed. good that the fed forehand pic was placed in this thread for comparison. look at their heads. fed's is still and behind the ball and on the ball and roddicks has spun out well before contact. huge difference. Ed
     
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  18. Free_Martha

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    Kudos to Roddick for having class once again by not blaming his Scottsdale loss on his injury (which is a legit reason, btw).

    And it's not his shoulder or arm that will suffer future injury problems, it will be his back. The arch in his back is too deep when he serves, putting a lot of weight on his lower back. I'll bet this is where he had spasm problems in Scottsdale.
     
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  19. Camilio Pascual

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    David - We can't clearly see where Roddick's elbow is and it looks like Federer is hitting from a more neutral as opposed to Andy's open stance. Federer's head is also not as centered over his body as Andy's, it looks like the weight of his head is shifted to over his right shoulder. That would require a greater movement of the opposite arm for balance control. You are placing way too much importance on comparing snapshots to analyze flowing movement. As an experienced photographer, I can assure you these types of pictures can be very deceptive. That's why some of the guys here will post a picture of one of the women players like Capriati in the middle of a stroke when her arm is completely bulged as "proof" she is using steroids. You are not going to prove much with stills, I'm sure we could find a picture of Marcelo Rios using perfect form and one of Hingis using awful form. The picture of Andy makes him look like he is using very good form, the one of Roger is not as flattering except for the left arm. Any differences can be explained by how early or late in the shot they are taken. I just disagree with your assertion that Andy looks off balance in the picture you submitted, he looks very well balanced. BTW, did you take these pictures? Kudos if you did. Take care.
     
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  20. jun

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    It's really tough to judge their mechanics just from these two pictures. Roddick is returning serve. Federer look like he's 3 feet behind the baseline, hitting groundies.

    I agree with someone who said that it's hard to judge what injuries that people are going to go through...

    Roddick did have a few injury problems in early his career, even had two knee surgeries (or one) in his junior days. But he hasn't had any shoulder problems which people are most conerned (or anxious to see) about.

    Look at Sampras, he had some wrist, shoulder problems early in his career and he's serve is as smooth as it can get. Edberg who used big back arch on his kickers had long career without big back problems.

    I think it's all matter of how you take care of your body and doing strength work. In addition Roddick has hired a personal trainer to take care of his body...So it will be interesting to see how his career fold out.
     
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    torque

    I don't think it's the balance. He's pretty much on-balance. It's that he torques and twist, his head does fly around, maybe increasing mishits...the lack of smoothness over time just stresses the muscles and joints (tendons being part of the muscle, after all). So it's some of the Venus Williams syndrome.

    At Indian Wells I was sitting with a veteran observer during one match (Zuluaga-Granville), somebody who has been a competitive player and who has been to a lot of pro events. We were talking about Venus' shot mechanics and how that probably contributes to things like muscle tears. Yes, she probably has physiological leanings to getting those sorts of injuries anyhow, based on how she's built. Roddick is probably thick and flexible enough to avoid some of that.

    But take the average stress on any of his shots and on a comparable stroke by FedEx, and multiply by thousands of strokes. The wear is there.
     
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  22. david aames

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    Re: torque

    Well, he is 6'2 for 190 lbs according to the ATP site...
    Federer is 6.1 for 177 lbs. and Sampras is 6'1 for 170 lbs on the same site... I have a hard time to believe that...

    I believe PMAC mentioned once that he grew up very suddenly but used to be pretty small.
     
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    there is just no comparison..it's not even close. fed's head is still behind the ball after the hit and andy has spun out well before the hit. it's glaring! look where the ball is.. doesnt matter return of serve or groundstroke..i am outta here..you all can be the experts....Ed
     
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  24. @wright

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    Some of you are probably right that Roddick may be hitting that shot with correct shift of weight, but IMO he has definitely spun out too soon, increasing his chances of injury and robbing him of power. Of the pics I've seen of Andy hitting forehands, most of them looked like that one.
     
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  25. david aames

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    That was also my general impression by watching him play. The picture was just a way to underline my point.
     
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    A year or so ago, John McEnroe said that Roddick spent as much time on the trainer table as he did, which wasn't a good thing considering that Roddick was about half McEnroe's age.
     
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    I dunno..this looks pretty textbook, preparation wise and balance. I think you guys are commenting on his choice in grip and stance more than anything, but this is a matter of style more than anything else, methinks.
     
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    Ugh, that didn't quite work...
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    Is that even Roddick? Just because his preparation looks alright in that photo doesn't mean the whole stroke is flawless. That photo doesn't indicate that he will "throw" his racquet at the ball the way he does and rotate too early.
     
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  30. david aames

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    Yeah, come on you can do better than that. It looks like a warm up shot...

    If you like the guy, you know what pattern I was targeting when showing up with those images.
     
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