Roddick's lack of improvement getting old!

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  1. BjornBorg

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    The guy has lost too many matches he should have won in the last couple of years. Not sure if he wil ever win another slam, let alone stay as a top five player very consistently.

    Unlike the great, great champions, Roddick seems unable to win matches when things go badly--at least the big matches.

    Now, four coaches in three years or whatever.

    This guy needs more touch and creativity in his game. He needs to be able to go to other strategies when things aren't going his way. While he played well against Bhagdatis, he wasn't able to expose the guy's weaknesses very well at all.

    I still think the Pure Drive is not the perfect racket for Roddick. I think he could still have a brilliant serve and forehand with other sticks. Pete Sampras was able to do incredible things on his serve with a thin-beamed 85 sq. inch frame. Roddick is limited with being able to increase his finesse ability and touch shots with that racket--unless he has brilliant hands--which he doesn't. So, maybe he needs to consider the Pure Control if he wants to stay with Babolat or even the Pure Storm. The Pure Drive is not very good for certain shots and does not provide the pinpoint control Roddick often lacks. Just my thoughts.

    I know it goes beyond just changing rackets. But, that is a good place to start. Then, sticking with the same coach for a while and also, maybe working with a Sports Psychologist. Ever since I saw Roddick feebly go down to Nadal at the 2004 Davis Cup final, I've thought he lacks something--both mentally and with his game.

    Also, he has not closed the gap between he and Federer. In fact, the gap has widened. We know Roddick got in great shape, worked on his footwork and lost those extra 7-8 pounds. But, his game has NOT improved. Time to start some new things--including moving away for the Pure Drive. It is not a great racket for superb control, slice backhands, "touch" shots, lobs, soft volleys-etc. He does not need only the Pure Drive to serve great. In fact, his ability to paint the corners of the service box would improve with the Pure Control or perhaps another brand.
     
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  2. ACE of Hearts

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    Well i always thought Fed could change his racquet but he is doing well with the one he has.:mrgreen: Also Roddick has more to worried about then just Fed.The guy has a big serve, but again its overrated.People are starting to really pick up his serve.He is proned to alot of mistakes.My problem with Fed's racquet is that it doesnt have enough power on it but like i said, he can play with any racquet!
     
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  3. jlui21

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    This is how I see it. Roddick has a great serve and is a great baseliner, but thats it. I understand that his game is built around those two things, and he can win games that way. However, he cannot win the big tourneys (Grand Slams) or beat the top 5 players in the world if he continues to rely on it.

    I believe that he needs to learn how to volley BETTER. His serve sets him up to finish the point in two or three shots. I say let him serve 150 mph, then attack the net because your opponent is generally on the defensive. Easier said than done, right? Every time he attacks the net, he gets burned so bad its depressing.

    Miscellaneous - he's truly AMERICAN because a) he is cocky, and b) he's from TEjAS. Could he be any more American?
     
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  4. Fee

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    If any of you are using today's match to bolster your arguments or frame your opinions, I beg you to watch the online video feed here:

    http://www.olntv.com/nw/article/view/12161/?UserDef=true&catID=76

    I have spoken to a few people who were at the match. They said he was playing just fine until the 3rd set when he began to get ill. He was on IV fluids for 2 hours after the match.

    I'm sorry, but there are 50 states in this country, and one of them is not more 'American' than any of the others (and if one is, that one isn't Texas). Cockiness is a trait of cocky people, not an entire nation. Thanks.
     
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  5. devila

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    His serve's predictable/amateur and the racket strings and handle are badly designed.

    The patriotic fool hates to work.
    He won't accept that his game needs a lot of changes. Spending time with Pat McEnroe and friends won't bring the 'luck' that he keeps talking about.


    The weight loss wasn't enough.
    He's not strong and thin enough.
    He believes playing with poor fitness and a dumb, stubborn attitude is noble. Fools play when they're weak and full of false modesty.


    Each game point decides the opponent's momentum, but no one tells him. Pat McEnroe, Brad Gilbert and Dean Goldfine were too stupid or too scared to say anything.
    He has no practice partner who actually rallies and runs with him.


    He was unworried/care-free when the match came to a close and his health was fading. Every point is an opportunity for the opponent to get back and gain ground even when faced with match point vs. Roddick.

    Roddick loves embarrassing himself 'cause he got to do whatever he wanted Failure taught him nothing because his loved ones worship everything he does.
     
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  6. Ken B.

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    Roddick's not a Texan. Texans come through in the clutch. He just lives here in Austin.
     
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  7. troytennisbum

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    Exactly,
    Roddick doesn't have Mirka as a practice partner. That Federer has got all the advantages. The competiton doesn't stand a chance.
     
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  8. Freedom

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    You're really blaming Roddick's racquet as the reason why he's sucking it up? It's simple: He's unfocused, he loses his head, and he doesn't trust himself. When he was an up-and-coming star, he was focused on winning. He didn't let petty details interfere with his gameplan, because he had the mindset of a champion. And he was full of confidence because everyone was praising his abilities. Now, it's all backwards. Everyone doubts him now, and his "mojo" ad campaign is a harsh reminder that he's going downhill.
     
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  9. DaveGrable

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    Hey idiot... Roddick is from Florida.

    What country are you from? I'm sure there aren'nt ANY cocky people in your country. LOL
     
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  10. quest01

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    I was surprised when roddick lost to pavel. I thought after the first 2 sets, the match was over, unfortunately that wasnt the case. Roddick has an excellent first and second serve. His forehand is good for the most part. His backhand and his return of serve especially on second serves are his weak point. He stands way to far back behind the baseline when his opponent is going for the second serve. It must be the babolat shoes that is giving roddick the problems.
     
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  11. edberg505

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    Um, no he isn't.
     
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  12. Lee

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    Jesus Christ. Can't we all just get along? Roddick was born in Nebraska, moved to Texas in his youth and developed his tennis game in Boca Raton.
    How's that for an answer?

    I am so sick of all of these Andy Roddick bashers on this board. Can you get a point from Muller, Baghdatis, or Pavel? I highly doubt it so SHUT UP!
     
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  13. BreakPoint

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    Hmmmm....both Federer and Sampras use very low powered racquets. Could that be the secret of their success? Is it possible, just possible, that power is not the be all and end all in tennis? Remember that power and control are inversely proportional. That being said, I'd much rather have Federer's control than Roddick's power. :D
     
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    i think roddicks game is worse then it used to be , his serve and forehand used to be bigger weapons. hes so concerned with developing his volley and backhand, he forgot what got him there. his service speed isnt even talked about in matches anymore and hes not outacing his opponents. also i think he needs to hit as many forehands as possible instead of hitting backhands trying to prove to his opponents that its not a weakness.. just my opinion
     
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  15. devila

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    In October 2003, Brad Gilbert told him to serve faster and wait to crush forehands from 4 feet behind the baseline. Roddick played worse because serving 145 mph was worthless with that uncontrollable racket.
    He unnecessarily gained weight and forgot how to play tennis.

    He moonballed instead of moving forward to hit angle/dropshot.
    Coaches never worked on taking the ball early with him.
    Roddick's techniques fell apart when he doubted himself, and predicted that Federer played well with less work ahd energy needed.


    The mindless ball bashing did nothing, so why would it help now?



    He won just 4 titles in 2004.

    The last 2 years, he stopped trying while he was injured.
    He gave up match points and didn't care to fight.

    Strangely, he cried as soon as he collapsed physically in Davis Cup.
    He got it backwards. He won't win Davis Cup, but he'll win ATP events.
    (He lost energy, being patriotic yesterday and mentally went downhill when he got sick).
     
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  16. VamosRafa

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    I was there, I saw it, and it was true, Andy was very sick from late into the third set and thereafter. If he could have closed it out in three it would have been great, but after that, Pavel just needed to keep the ball in play, because Andy couldn't do much with it.

    Credit to Andy for sticking with the match, and trying his best. And he did make a comeback run in the fifth. It wasn't enough, but it was a gutsy performance, and even though he didn't win the match, he certainly gave us all something to admire and cheer about.

    Thanks, Andy!
     
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  17. Roforot

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    I would not use the PD or PD+ b/c of its stiffness and b/c I do not have the talent to hit out and keep the ball in play; however I cannot blame Roddick's "lack of finesse" on the frame; Clijisters (sp), Moya, Lubijic seem to be able to hit volleys and use control.
     
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  18. Shiro

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    Where do you get all your nonsense from??
     
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  19. omniexist

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    These threads criticizing Roddick are getting old.
     
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  20. pound cat

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    "This guy needs more touch and creativity in his game."

    By nature I don't think Andy is a creative kind of guy.

    He was born in Nebraska which has nothing ot do with the above sentence.
     
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    Point/Counterpoint

    Well, we've seen some points made. Now maybe it's time for some counterpoints.

    • Roddick's sickness was brought on more by nerves than conditioning according to what the team doctor said. Even then, Roddick hung in there and fought his way back in the 5th. I think it's more than a little disingenuous to laud Sampras getting sick on court and then turn around and crticize Roddick for doing same. The guy didn't quit. He didn't pull a Henin. He fought back and could've sent the match to extra games. He could've won. He did himself, his team, and his country well. Roddick is the first in line when Davis Cup rolls are called. He's asked and begged to play Davis Cup from the get go. A little too critical? I think so.
    • Roddick's racket no control? Tell the other 1000 or so pros who use the same frame. Funny, the same thing was said about Jimmy Connors and his stick of choice the T2000. He did fairly well with it even if nobody else did. I find it funny that we feel like we can recommend to Roddick what he should play with and we don't even know what we play best with! Roddick has had the best customization help in the world working with him to tweak his frame to precisely his liking, and it's all wrong? He should play with what Sampras used? Well gee, maybe everybody should play with what Sampras used. But then again, Sampras even second guessed his equipment. Maybe Agassi would have won 14 Grand Slams if he had played with the ProStaff, but then again, maybe Agassi wouldn't have won all 4 Grand Slams.
    • American bashing? Please. Surely you can do better than that. If you're so anti-American, then petition your country to give the money back. If you live in a country other than the U.S. then you're most probably recieving some type of aid from us. Give it back. Be independent. Be better than us, just do it with your own resources. Maybe Woodrow Wilson had it right, maybe Isolationism is the best policy.
    • Roddick's game. There is no disputing that Roddick has a crisis of confidence right now. It's been that way for a year. IMO, he started down the slippery slope when he 86'd Gilbert. He's tried serve and volley, he's tried to out-Federer Federer. He needs to beg Gilbert's forgiveness and get him back on the payroll. That said, Roddick is no different than any other pro, i.e Hewitt (who's slumping), Nalbandian (who slumped), Coria (who may never recover), Ferrero (who was once touted as the King Of Clay and successor to Guga), Moya (who rose to #1 only to free fall shortly there after), and Agassi (whose slumps are legendary). Even Sampras had a slump! Guys and gals, one day, and I know you'll find this impossible to believe, but one day King Federer will slump. Yes, it will happen. Please, give it a rest. Yeah, Roddick's in a slump, he's slumping so badly that he's #3 in the world. We should all slump so badly.

    Roddick rose another few notches yesterday in my book. He had terrible luck. Don't forget that while he lost the match, he held match point. That match point consisted of his opponent basically tossing in the towel with a drop shot and then lucking a topspin lob. Yeah, Pavel was out of answers and admitted as much in the post match interview. Pavel said he just hung in there and luckily, for him, Roddick got sick.
     
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  22. federerforever

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    I think Roddick has serious fitness issues. I don't care what he says in the post interview. He needs to play as much tournaments as possible just like Ljubicic is doing right now. Only then will he stop making all those unforced errors and will be able to hit aces and winners in his sleep. This probably was some kind of punishment for firing his latest coach. Andy needs to finally grow up and blame all his losses on his own poor work ethic and no one else.
     
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    I know that we can always count on you for a well-balanced, unbiased, honest answer and opinion. Very well said, what you wrote. Thank you.
     
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    Maybe he doesn't have the desire to be number 1 and win several grand slams. Maybe he just likes to travel all over the world and have thousands of fans adore him - having hot women throw themselves at you all day...Much better job than I have...Maybe he has so much money he doesn't know what to do with it already...Maybe he knows he can't beat Federer - and unless he suddenly retires the grand slams titles are not going to be his...

    Seems to me he is having a pretty good life so far - as fans we want him to do better , but realistically he might be satisified.
     
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  26. vllockhart

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    The guy is in a slump, which I firmly believe he will pull out of.
     
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  27. ACE of Hearts

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    Roddick is indeed in a slump but lets not kid ourselves, i wouldnt be surprise if he goes down 2 to 3 spots in the rankings.Other players are getting good.
     
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  28. West Coast Ace

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    Am I the only one who's going to say to be considered a baseliner: a) you have to stand somewhere near the baseline; b) have a backhand?

    As scary as I find it I do agree with one of devila's points: I now believe that what Team Roddick considers 'good shape' isn't good enough for the ATP tour (and I'm not considing yesterday's unfortunate event). I don't think he puts the work in and also wonder about what he's eating.
     
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    As usual, Rabbit has provided such a well thought out response that I don't find the need to add anything. Cheers, Rabbit. You hit the nail on the head.
     
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  30. barry

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    With all the early round loses in grand slams, I don't see how Roddick stays number 3 in the world. He has been losing to really low ranked players (below 50) lately.
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised if his ranking slips either. I mean, that's what happens in a slump.

    Something between his ears is not clicking right now, but something is going to hit him on the head one day and make it all make sense again.
     
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    Greetings all

    I'm a huge roddick fan,
    but there are some points that have to be addressed about ARod. Lack of focus, lack of ground stroke skills, lack of composure, lack of consistent and competant play. Great serve, yes, strong player, yes. Toe to toe in a ralley most would fancy their chances, they know he runs out of gas. He need a no non sense coach that will actually help him improve. He's had so many ppl tell him how great he is that he believes it. He no longer plays to win, and without purpose comes laziness. I do agree that he should use a more "touch" sensitive racquet, along with improving movement, ground strokes, fitness and the physcological aspect of the game.
     
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    WCA,
    I completely agree with your post, the first thread in this post stated "roddick is a great baseliner". Roddick is awful off the ground. He returns serve from 10 feet behind the baseline. He does not have the athletecism to take the ball early and play close to the baseline on returns or rally's.
     
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  34. devila

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    Let's observe.
    Roddick stuffs alcohol drinks down, rapidlly eats while his body and stomach can't tolerate any more insult....

    Yes, that's "bad luck" before a match.
    Lucky to be #3 after playing few matches between September-February.
    #4, #5 didn't win many titles.....they'll gain points, as Roddick loses early repeatedly. DAVIS CUP heroes don't QUIT fighting for their countries!!!

    My Roddick sympathy and Federer love have caused me to tolerate Roddick's fake, innocent act.
     
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  35. Chadwixx

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    His downfall began at the begining of last year when he choose to go on that dumb bus tour instead of getting ready for the ao.
     
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  36. tenis

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    Well done, sexmachine!!! But I don't agree w.rabbit...
     
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    Q. The grind of tennis season, do you miss team play?
    ANDY RODDICK: I don’t know if you can miss something that isn’t there that often. You know what I’m saying? It’s not like I’m going from all team competitions to all of a sudden being alone. I look forward to the team competition. I really enjoy being around the guys.
    But being on tour, kind of playing for selfish reasons, selfish motives, or just playing for ourselves is kind of the norm, you know. I look forward to the team weeks.

    Delusional Roddick. :lol:
     
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    Q. Can you tell us what you ate?
    ANDY RODDICK: Yeah, like eggs and potatoes. Last night spaghetti and meatballs. You know, there was no fish. No under cooked steak or anything like that. It’s nothing really I didn’t eat anything really suspect. I wish I had a better answer for you.
    Q. Yes.
    ANDY RODDICK: I don’t know. I wasn’t looking at the scoreboard. I’m sure it’s on tape somewhere.

    Q. In the third?
    ANDY RODDICK: Yeah, the first time. I did it a couple times on switchover. I don’t know the first one. I think it might have been early in the fourth. I think I held it in.

    Q. Were you feeling bad in the first set?
    ANDY RODDICK: No, I felt fine. Then it just came on. I could feel it the second set. Then I felt it a lot in the third. I wanted to try to close it out. You know, it got a lot worse, then it kind of snowballed.
     
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  39. mayimkadosh

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    Common, give him a break, he's a good guy, and good guys (plus good energy) wins, at the end.

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  40. devila

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    Q. After losing the third set, did you feel you sort of had the wind taken out of your sails?
    ANDY RODDICK: No, I felt like I had the fuel taken out of my guts. Wind in sails, no. It sucks. Maybe it’s momentum. But I’m still two sets to one at that point. If I’m feeling good, I still like my chances.


    Pitiful mentality. He deserves to be ripped apart.
     
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    Q. Is there any difference in how much you wanted to finish the match in Davis Cup versus an early round in a singles match tournament? Is there more of a responsibility?

    ANDY RODDICK: Yeah, of course. I mean, if I’m playing first round of ‘you pick a city’, if I’m sick, it’s just me. You know, I can handle it. I can handle it. We’ll have next week.
    But, you know, I almost felt mad at myself or my body or whatever. You want to finish it out because you’re playing for your teammates, playing for all you guys who are American here. You know, there is a lot more responsibility in Davis Cup.
     
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    Roddick bashing threads have gotten old, too. [​IMG]
     
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  43. pound cat

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    I think he's missing the 4 years of college life he didn't have. He woud have excelled at that.
     
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  44. Defcon

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    I read on another forum that Roddick was seen partying it up the previous two nights, getting drunk, and that he possibly had a hangover. If thats even a little bit true, then he does not deserve to win.

    I find in general that Roddick lacks the work ethic and focus on tennis, that apart from tennis skills, is present in all great sportsmen. He fires coaches when they don't get along with him or his family, likes to keep himself in the media, and has not shown any indication that he really wants to be a contender for the top spot.

    With the serve he's blessed with, its a lot easier for Roddick to stay in the top 10 for many years. His charisma and presense as the lone American hope means he'll always have endorsements to make money from. That's a good life.
     
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  45. DashaandSafin

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    Devila, you are worthless. The day you can beat Roddick is when you can make fun of him.


    Another day, another Roddick bashing Thread.
     
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  46. devila

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    No, you don't expect much from him.

    Whenever he's lazy with his techniques and gives fake celebrations for the crowd/cameras, his effort level goes down, and his immaturity worsens.

    He wouldn't acknowledge that Davis Cup is not a place for heroics. He's not in a position to be a hero. His career's dead because he lets distracting people near him. Pat McEnroe did nothing but stare at him and put his arms around him..what a joke!

    Roddick needs to play a lot in REAL tournaments. He forgot how to instinctively hit angles and serve smart. He can't admit that he isn't on the courts with a real coach. The denials and self-pity are making him insane in real life too.

    He looked overweight and flat-footed in yesterday's match. I was disgusted by the lack of court position/backhand/footwork technique changes. He wasn't aggressive at all. Just flicking the charity wristband on his arm and screaming at the crowd to show off patrotism. He's clueless as to why he's choking.
     
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  47. DashaandSafin

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    The Davis Cup IS a place for heroics. Look at Croatia last year, country heros now eh? He was flat footed yesterday becuase he was SICK. Put on an IV drip after the match, how many times have you seen that?
     
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  48. devila

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    There's heroism and there's self-inflicted cruelty. No one cares if you're crying. The history books have your score--a choke. He had set point and leads against Ljubicic and choked.... He wasn't sick, but he worshipped the ground Agassi stood on. Ljubicic's career is better and Roddick's nowhere... He's blaming nothing and confusing/shocking himself with moronic actions.
     
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    *yawn* Blah blah blah Roddick sucks blah blah blah... :roll: If only someone could merge all the Roddick bashing threads into one thread so others can avoid them easily.
     
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    Yes, please place all your comments in a thread marked "Trash."
     
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