Rodick=moya

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  1. ElanSafin

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    dont know if this post is timely,just wondering.
    Both moya and rodick have same weapon(serve,forhand)but why s moya so good on clay and roddicks not.
     
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  2. Max G.

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    a) Movement. Moya moves better on clay than Roddick does, he slides naturally.
    b) Touch. Dropshots. Volleys. They help on clay a lot more than they help on hardcourts.
    c) Working the point. Moya knows how to do it a better than Roddick. Well, working a claycourt point. Roddick goes for the killer shot a lot earlier, which works better on hardcourts.
    f) Experience and strategy. Moya knows what to do on clay, when to go for which shots.

    ...but Roddick is #2 and Moya #4 because Roddick just has more firepower, and is more mentally stable.
     
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  3. ElanSafin

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    and i think no 2 and no 4,because bigger tournaments are played on hard.do u agree
     
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  4. Max G.

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    Yes, that's also true.

    Moya is a good hardcourt player too, but he just isn't mentally stable enough to be as good as Roddick. He sometimes loses early when he shouldn't, sometimes loses matches he shouldn't. Though yes, if there were more claycourt tournaments then Moya would be closer.
     
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  5. PureCarlosMoyaDrive

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    If they had 2 slams on clay, or one more masters, I think that Moya would be closer to Roddick, and Roddick wouldn't be as far ahead of Coria as he is.

    But Max G. has it all right. And one thing I don't get. Roddick can practically keep his backhand in play better than Moya now (at least when I've seen Moya recently), but Moya is a better rallier and when he plays Roddick he out rallies him. I don't get it, but it's weird.
     
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    by d way.MOyas wimby stint is impressive although roddicks far better. why do u think moya has a good wimby.
     
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  7. VictorS.

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    Do you guys think Roddick could ever put up decent results on clay? Obviously he's not much of a grinder and likes to get the point over quickly, and some think his movement gets exposed on clay. However, I think he made it to the semis at one of the master series events last year...i wanna say hamburg.

    Correction: it was tms rome in 2002 that roddick made it to the semis
     
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  8. ElanSafin

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    THe hamburg last year was an all argentine semis.
    Yes he can have decent result if he faces hard court players like like him in d early rounds.
     
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  9. Max G.

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    Sure, there's no reason why he can't put up good results on clay. It'll take a lot of hard work, and probably a little luck of the draw, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him win some claycourt tournaments over his career - maybe even a TMS or a French Open. Not quite yet, but maybe at some point.
     
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  10. VamosRafa

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    Andy has won quite a few claycourt tourneys in his career (I think about 5), but only one was in Europe -- that was St. Poelten last year.

    Contrast that to Hewitt, who has no claycourt titles. Yet was No. 1 two years running.

    But the key is what was said above -- he didn't grow up on the surface the way many Spanish and Argentine players did. He doesn't have the slide down, and since he only plays on clay for a few months out of the year, he hasn't taken the time to really study it. But a good draw would help him, as was noted. He did get to the TMS Roma semis a couple years ago. But it's going to be his weakest surface. Still, if he has a good week or two on clay, he could post some good results. But there's a lot of claycourt competition.
     
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  11. VamosRafa

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    For starters, he played it. He has been going on vacation during that part of the year.

    I think he got a bit of confidence beating Philippoussis on grass in the Davis Cup final last year. And he thought, well, heck, maybe I can pick up a few race points at Wimbly. And he did.

    Also, has as been noted, the grass at Wimbly doesn't play quite as fast as it has in years past. It's made it possible for guys who like slower courts to compete a bit more. The fact that they are doing better at Wimbly than they have in years past shows that.

    It's never going to be their best surface, but if they feel that they can compete, they will play it.

    And as for Moya vs. Roddick, Moya will always be a better claycourt player. They both have great forehands, and very good serves (Roddick's is better), but the key difference is between the ears. Moya loses matches he should have won. Andy rarely does that. Hence, the difference in their rankings.
     
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  12. ElanSafin

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    wat d u think

    clay courters can adjust easily to fast surfaces

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    fast court player in slow clay
     
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  13. PJVA

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    Isn't it also true that to be good on clay you have to be willing to play long points and have patience. Clay courters have that....but Roddick does not. He has been used to winning mainly by a big serve and not having to play long rallys. However, the clay sofens the serve so Roddick's serve is not that big of a weapon on clay.
     
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  14. yee

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    He had a pretty damn good draw in this year FO I would say, didn't do him much good still.
     
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    I think Roddick can win smaller clay-court tournaments but doubt he will ever get close to RG.

    He will always face an excellent clay-courter in the first 2-3 rounds who just misses getting seeded. Even if he gets to the quarters or further he wouldn't beat Moya, Coria, Ferrero, Guga, Nalbandian, Gaudio, Henman :wink: and all the other top clay-courters.

    You might not say that Hewitt is good on clay but he got to the the Hamburg semi's this year and at RG he went to the quarters.

    -Liam
     
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  16. Free_Martha

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    Moya has a much better feel at the net than Roddick does and Moya also has a lot more patience. Roddick is still too impatient a player. When he gets frustrated, he reverts back smashing the ball, but clay neutralizes the power so he does not win any cheap points that way like he would on a fastcourt.
     
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