Roger called Berdych an "underachiever"

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  1. Riosfan

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    He didn't say it with disrespect but he did call Berdych an underachiever on the post match TV interview with Justin Gimelstob and Ted Robinson. Will be interesting to see how Berdych responds as it might give him some extra incentive.

    Remember when Agassi called Spadea a "journeyman" and that according to Spadea lit a fire in him and he later beat Agassi in the Australian Open.


    Berdych is one helluva player and has been so close to beating Federer since the 2004 Olympics. This could be a really good match. Federer looked amazing at times today with Serra but also a little complacent at times too. Federer could be ripe for an upset if Berdych steps up and doesn't choke again like he has many times.
     
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  2. Ledigs

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    I think Berdych can be really good. I hope he gets to his potential.
     
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    Looking for a good match and victory for Tomas
     
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    Berdych 6-2 6-7 [8] 6-4
     
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  5. forzamilan90

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    another casualty
     
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    He is a very good player, but unfortunately his problems are all between his ears.
     
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  7. abraxas21

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    i remember a few years back federer saying that nalby was done and a few months laters he was losing to nalby in the tennis masters cup final in a five setter.

    better stay quiet, roger!
     
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    Berdych has been destroyed nearly every single time he played Federer since that tank resembling joke that was the 2004 Olympics. Their only "close' match since then was the Australian Open one last year. Berdych does not usually choke vs Federer, he almost always gets easily outplayed and outclassed.

    Federer doesnt seem to even care about these best of 3 tournaments anymore though so I guess anything can happen.

    As for underachiever I dont think he is a big one. He isnt that good, a one dimensional ball basher.
     
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  9. Ocean Drive

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    I laugh at people who say "ball basher"

    Like it's more difficult to tap the ball in court or something...
     
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  10. decades

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    Roger has always been very tactful....
     
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  11. OrangeOne

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    For crying out loud, it's a compliment. It's saying that he has extreme talent, and hasn't converted it to results as often as he should....
     
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  12. Agassifan

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    Being called an underachiever is actually a compliment... unless it is said AFTER you retire.
     
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    That would work for guys who can actually ball bash and still keep it in the court.
     
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  14. aldeayeah

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    Berdych is a bit young to call him an underachiever IMO.
     
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    That's what I thought when I read it. People are strange.
     
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    24 is ancient in tennis years. And up to this pt, he has been an underaciever. Look at what Nadal's accomplished and he's only 23. Not saying Berdych should be on that level, just putting it into perspective. Hell even Murray and Djokovic are only 22 and people are already writing them off.
     
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  17. aldeayeah

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    Yes, but ball bashers often age better than grinders. This year Berdych could become a contender like Soderling did last year (when he was 24 too).
     
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    James Blake? Wayne Arthurs? Agassi didn't win his first slam til he was 23, Lendl, Ivanisevic? I could go on...
     
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    Up to this point, Berdych has been an underachiever. After he beat Fed at the 04 Olympics people were expecting big things from him. Could he turn it around? Anything is possible, but as of now he has been an underachiever.
     
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    I always thought it was weird that Berdych hasn't done a lot better.
     
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  21. Morrissey

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    I don't know if I put him in the same underachiever category as Nalbandian. I suppose he could have done better in the slams more often or at all. But it is what it is.
     
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  22. Morrissey

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    I dunno, but let's keep Agassi out of it when referring to any other player who peaks late or wins slams well into their 30's. Agassi was one of the most (if not the most) unique tennis player and especially the most unique tennis career I've ever seen.
     
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    pshycological warfare much
     
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    What, 24 is ancient? What is Federer than, a dinosaur? Roddick's father time? Yet those two are the guys still consistently, year in and year out contending for slams (Roddick had a blip in 2008 where he didn't make a deep run, but still managed a QF at the USO).



    Different players also age differently. Players who are defensive minded, and tend to play longer rallies hit their primes earlier as their game relies on athleticism and being very physical with their opponents. Sometimes attacking minded players take awhile to put things together. Granted Agassi did win a slam fairly early on, but the guy didn't win another slam for awhile after the first one, because he needed to put things together.
     
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    Rafter won the US open at 24 & 25, he made the finals of Wimbledon at 27 & 28. There is still time, though it's not the normal way, there is still time....
     
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    Yeah, I realized that about 3 minutes after I posted, just too lazy to go back and edit. Rafter would've been a better example...
     
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  27. VilasFan

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    Roger knows that Berdych is susceptible to mind games, self-doubt etc.. He is simply laying the groundwork for Berdych...making sure that Berdych understands that the 5-setter at the Australian last year is the closest "taste" Berdych will get from that point forward. It's brilliant! If Berdych comes out with his hair on fire and gets a nice lead on Fed, I GUARANTEE Berdych will choke it away. GUARANTEED! Fed is the master of the mind game. Fed's already playing the match...
     
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    You make it sound as if Federer even cares enough about best of 3 events, or is worried enough about Berdych to bother with any of that. I doubt either is the case.
     
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  29. aldeayeah

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    It does sounds like he's playing mind games. If it wasn't Federer, I'd think he was doing it on purpose.
     
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    lol...

    federer doesnt need to play "mind games" with tomas.

    you act as if his tennis isnt good enough to beat the best so he has to resort to these tactics, as if he hasnt proved time and time again...
     
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    I think if Federer really knew English backwards, he would have said 'Berdych has yet to realize his full potential'. I don't quite think he understands that ' underachiever' is derogatory.
     
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    I never used to be a rant and raver, but the tennis sections got a bit boring. My ranting career might be coming to a close, you may be glad to know, as there are only so many variations upon political themes.



     
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    as if Tomas even constitutes one of the best either.
     
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  35. bjorn23

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    Berdych has almost as much talent as Soderling. He's a pretty similar player.
     
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    Oooh trash talking from the master :)

    Hopefully this does get Berdy fired up, but it won't be an interesting match if Fed plays like he did against Serra. And he might.

    Tomi's got a win over him (Olympics), took a set off Fed in the Halle final on grass, and took Federer to 5 sets just recently at the AO in 2009.

    Berdy's been playing decent tennis recently and Fed's attitude towards Masters tourney's has been so-so. BUT Fed is one of those players who can just *click* and turn it on, just like that.

    Not sure if Berdych winning would qualify as an upset, though. He's firmly in the Top 20 (and has been for a while), still competing for titles, and capable of good tennis on hardcourts.

    Fed's obviously a solid favorite. Hopefully, a ripper of a match.
     
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    At a slam, for sure. But, I dunno.... at a Masters?

    Would anyone be really shocked, after the last few seasons, to see Fed give a half-arsed effort at a Master's tourney- especially one that isn't in preparation for any slam, in particular?

    If Feddy gives a 100% effort and loses, yeah - it's an upset. But if he plays like he did against Serra, and loses, it's mostly meaningless. A good result for Berdy, then. Hopefully, that's not how it goes down, though.
     
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    Fed's variety usually kills Berdych in the end, but in best of 3, he's got a good chance. If I had to guess, my pick would be Berdych in 3 atm.
     
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    Agassi had the kind of game to peak early. His problem was his head and his lack of focus. I personally think this is the reason why he had such good results at such an "old" age despite the obvious back pain. Many players would have stopped way before, but he felt ashamed because he knew he had wasted his potential. Don't forget that Agassi was actually an early bloomer in the game.
     
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    I agree with this. Fed should be capable of driving Berdych batty with his variety of pace, spin, depth, etc. However, at the moment Federer does not appear to even be present. Unless the real Roger shows up, Berdych has a good chance to advance tonight.
     
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    I don't think this is Federer trash talking. I think he meant it in a "Berdych has unfulfilled potential way", which I think most people would agree with, including Berdych. I don't think he's playing mind games, just maybe being too honest and not tactful enough. In fact Berdych himself said something to that effect in an interview recently. Don't know if this would get Berdych fired up ... somehow doubt he watched Federer's interview. I think this comment's getting way overblown.
     
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    I like how Federer often says things that seem derogatory or boastful but are actually 100% true. He's pretty good at that.
     
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    I think he meant he is yet to reach his potential.
     
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    This^^^^^^^^^^

    But there will always be one to misinterpret
     
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    i hope berdych doesnt prove federer right by actually achieving a win, he might win in 3 sets i dont know but federer is always like ooh im better in 5 sets because gives you more time to think well does that mean that federer has no plan b in 3 setters?
     
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    Hm,Berdych IS an underachiever,Fed is spot on this time.
     
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    It's obviously a compliment from Federer.

    All you have to do is watch Berdych for one match and it's clear he's an underachiever. Effortless power off of both wings, a big serve and a competent volleyer. As far as ground strokes go, he has no weaknesses. His only weaknesses are his movement and his head.
     
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    Both Agassi and Fed are right on. Period.
     
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    I saw the interview. Fed mentioned that after Berdych beat him at the Olympics he thought his career was going to take off. He was very complementary of his game, and I have to agree with the others that his intention was to say that Berdych still has a lot of potential that he hasn't capitalized on yet.
     
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