Roger can be NO.1 again...provided..???

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  1. slal1984

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    I feel Roger can be NO.1 again. He just needs to find his range/depth.

    Look the AO 2013 semi-final against Murray, he hit so many balls that fell within the service line...there was no consistent dept on his shots. If he gets his range back it will yield shorter and less powerful returned balls more often, resulting in easier put away opportunities.
     
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  2. edmondsm

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    His slice used to kill people too but it just doesn't happen anymore. Might be the courts.
     
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  3. PRINCESSES

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    If he win a Grand Slam this year except Wimbledon ... He will return # 1 :)
     
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  4. dr325i

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    However, a SF is tops for him from here on...

    Although, I repeat to myself: Never count him out!
     
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  5. Mick3391

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    OK, who can teach Fed? But here goes;

    1. Stay back on serve returns, at present he's at the baseline. Aggassi learned this at 29 and won 5 more slams.
    2. Get arid of all "Yes Men"
    3. Take performance enhancing drugs
    4. I don't know how he can make his serve more consistant, perhaps #3 will give him the energy.
    5. Consider using a larger racquet, he even talked about that. He is used to returning wild shots with winners, but you see on some shots if he just had the little extra at least he could pop it over, not much of a strategy, but....
    6. Consistantly shake his opponents up. Look at Wawrinka, Djoke had no clue how to deal with his BH and net play. Fed tends to just stay at the baseline. He'll go in, get passed, then give up. The going in shakes up an opponent if it's inconsistant, they never know when, but he doesn't do that.

    I don't know really, top coaches are trying lots of things. I'm glad he's got arid of that slice floater, I hated that, it made no sense, it's not like he'd be in trouble, he'd just slice it back hoping his opponent would make a error.
     
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  6. tennisdad65

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    Roger can be NO.1 again...provided..???

    Provided Novak, Murray, and Nadal all get injured at the same time for 4 months. :)
     
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    gee really? I seem to remember him thrashing Djoker(#1) and Murray (#4) to win his 17th major at Wimbledon and regain #1 in the process. :lol: Nice try.
     
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  8. edmondsm

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    He will make a final at least this year. Wouldn't be surprised if this is the year he wins RG again. Novak will be burned out again, Murray ain't a threat, Nadal won't be in top form......
     
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  9. Mick3391

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    That's wishful thinking. Fed's at a level where he can be knocked out by Tsonga and others. To say he will win because others aren't there isn't a strategy.
     
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    I don't get that logic at all. Fed just beat Tsonga on Jo's best surface. Fed's clay record speaks for itself. Only two active players have shown they can beat him at the FO and there is a very good chance that neither of them will be in top form at RG imo.
     
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  11. underground

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    To get back to No.1

    - Defend his RG semi
    - Get to a Wimbly final
    - Win 2/3 MS1000
    - Go really deep in Montreal to pick up points
    - Get a slight mental edge over Djokovic if possible in fast courts e.g. Dubai, Cinci
    - Win the USO (This for me is the most important one because he has the lease amount of points to defend, it's for the same reason why Fed could leapfrog from #3 to #1 last year)
    - Do not play Basel and attempt to do the Paris-WTF double in 2011.
     
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  12. Mick3391

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    I'm just saying he CAN be beat by guys like Tsonga, and I was responding to that guy who said he can win if others are out, and that is not a strategy.

    I think the thread was about, unless I misunderstood, what DIFFERENT can Fed do to win against the best guys, that's all.

    And heh, I don't know. I do know Agassi made an amazing turn at 29, changed, and went on to win 5 more slams.
     
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  13. Warmaster

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    I don't think it will happen. Last year he was very focused on getting back to #1 because he wanted to break the record, but he paid the price at the end of the season.

    I doubt he can find the focus or motivation to go through all of that again, with the possibilty of failing anyway, it would burn him out. For an old man, his schedule was pretty heavy last year. He needs to take it easy if he plans on playing for a few more years.
     
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  14. nikdom

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    At this point, does it really matter adding more weeks as No.1

    I think if Roger plays well, finds motivation to improve and enjoys himself out there that's good enough for me. A plausible shot at a slam is better than collecting ranking points at smaller tournaments.
     
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  15. elpolaco84

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    2 slams and 2 sf
    and a couple of masters 1000 titles and F
    or
    1 slam 1F 2 sf more tham couple of 1000 titles and sf, f and lesser tourneys
     
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  16. maverick1981

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    get about 5-7 years younger.

    His age is starting to show. before he went through a mind funk, now, it seems like his best might not be good enough, to be #1 that is - hes still better than just about everyone else under the top 4.

    He has to come to net more, finish points quicker, and take away the big ground game. He cannot hang in there with the massive consistent hitters. He does not hit big enough routinely.

    Change strategy. Build muscle/power. His consistency, overall, also seems to be on a decline.
     
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  17. edmondsm

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    My bad I didn't see that post. I don't think he has a whole lot he has to do different. With Nadal's form uncertain he's in a good position to win RG. A win there could put him very close to #1 depending of course on how Djokovic does.
     
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  18. ark_28

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    He needs to avoid some of the big hitters! As he has got older he has become more and more susceptible to them!

    Isner proved this last year when he served Roger off the court in the Davis Cup and ended the match by hitting winners from all parts of the court! He really took the racket out of Rogers hand Roger needs to avoid such encounters if he is to regain top spot!
     
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  19. kishnabe

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    No.1 is pointless for him when he has all the records related to it except for 6 year straight YE#1.

    Better for him to win more slams.....hopefully at least 20 in total.
     
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  20. maverick1981

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    well that goes without saying, Rogers schedule is built to win a slam(s), plain and simple. He is not out to grind the tour and build points, its all about legacy, winning big, and history for the man these days.
     
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  21. dr325i

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    Easy-peasy...
    You forgot to mention that the rest of the top 10 players should take off till next AO
     
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  22. Bobby Jr

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    This year will be difficult for him as the slams were split four ways in 2012 so no-one person can tank many thousands of points in the way Djokovic did last year when he couldn't defend many of this 2011 results.

    As I've said before many times - to nay-sayers - the gap in points you see can quite often more accurately be viewed as being as little as half of what it is - because while one person may improve their points by going further in a tournament, their rival may tank heaps of points by not defending a good result... the gap can close very quickly - quicker than many here seem to realise. It's how Federer got to #1 last year.
     
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    He hasn't lost to Tsonga in a year and a half.:neutral:
     
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  24. mariecon

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    Yes this is true. I don't think he cares as much about being #1 as he does about winning slams. He already has the record for most weeks at #1. Staying in the top 4 is key for him to stay competitive in slams.
     
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  25. timnz

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    Rogers A plus game and his A minus game

    Basically Roger has two games - his attacking all court game, and then his defensive back of the court exclusively game. The former is his best game - A +++ standard. The latter game he can execute at A minus standard. Now A minus was good enough against pretty much all other players except players with the name Nadal, Djokovic and Murray. So why does he not stick to his
    A +++ attacking game? Well, it just isn't possible on these very slow surfaces. The Australian Open reportedly sped up this year....but if it did it went from extremely slow last year to very, very slow this year. It was so marginal that it had no impact. Murray I believe himself has said that if the courts were faster that Federer would still be number 1. The fact that he was able to take the number 1 ranking for 17 weeks off Djokovic last year was a testimony to just how strong he is.

    Basically the rankings and who wins slams are pretty much controlled by court speed these days. The fashion is very, very slow courts - so Roger's ranking is going to suffer because he can't play his best game on that surface. I think the Cincinnati match win over Djokovic last August tells you everything you need to know. Cincinnati is a Medium-Fast surface. In that match Roger was all over Djokovic in the second set.
     
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    Why are you assuming that Nole won't be in top form?
     
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  27. NEW_BORN

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    Would be great if Fed snatched the year end No.1 by winning the WTF
     
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    his frist serve percantage is too low in this australian open
     
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    First serve percentage depends on who is your opponent. If you play against Raonic, you can be relaxed because he has weak ROS. If you play against Murray, you have to risk a little with first serve
     
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  30. Dark Magician

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    Why does he need No.1 ranking again? Just win 1 GS this year, that tops everything. Few more weeks wont do anything that great to him.
     
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    Play agressively and within himself. The problem could be stamina and focus. With Wawrinka and Almagro, it was more nerves imo.
     
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  32. stoo

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    Roger can be NO.1 again...provided..???

    ....... he switches to a 95sq in frame. :)
     
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  33. dimeaxe

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    It would be even worse for Feder on faster courts, Djokovic would wipe his as* like in Dubaii which one is faster than Cincy.
     
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  34. Sabratha

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    roger will be number 1 again provided he can travel back in time
     
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    Which is why the idea that he dopes is ridiculous. If he did, he would have 30 slams by now and sure as hell would have beaten Murray last week.
     
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  36. fedfan46

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    FYP. Roger won that first set 6-0 IIRC. The second set was 7-5 in a TB i think
     
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  37. Sabratha

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    roger also seems to have gained a little weight with age and that doesnt help his movement at all
     
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  38. ultradr

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    But... let's say Nadal is not 100% until French.

    Then Federer has a best chance among 3 to win French. And still a force
    at Wimbledon.
     
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  39. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Roger can be #1 and then some again if the courts are faster.
     
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    Unfortunately that's probably not going to happen.
     
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    I'm not saying for sure, not by any stretch. I'm just saying, with the ride Novak has been on, there's a decent chance his form could drop. There's just a good possibility in my mind, with Nadal's situation, that Fed could win this years FO. Though, it would be nice to see Novak win it as well.
     
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  42. edmondsm

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    Wow, terrible example. That match was 2 years ago and it was when Novak was having his absolute best year (one of the best ever) and Fed was having his worst in ages.
     
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  43. Cup8489

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    LOL.

    That's a MUCH more relevant match than Cincy Last year! LOLOLOL.

    Murray said it last year; if the courts were all faster like Dubai, Federer would still be number 1.
     
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  44. slal1984

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    Fed is a beast on fast courts...he would show everyone else how true tennis is played.

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    http://www.flickr.com/photos/78702803@N08/8432278394/

    The reason they play on clay is to incorporate slower courts in the season. If all the courts play slow, where is the diversity and adaptability aspect?
     
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  45. NadalAgassi

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    Federer fans emphatically stating he would be #1 still if the courts were fast, yet at the U.S Open played on truly fast courts still he hasnt even made the final in 4 years now, and hasnt won the title in 5.
     
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  46. Anaconda

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    Well he was close to making the finals a couple of times, I wouldn't say choked against Djokovic (I still remember than return lol), but he should have closed it out on both occassions, the only poor result was Berdych. I actually believe Cincinnati to be the fastest hard court event on tour with Dubai actually, he's got a great record in Cincy.





    Besides, he won Wimbledon last year. Just because the grass has slowed down over the years, doesn't mean it's a slow court.



    Except for clay, I think Federer has got a chance to win on anything, be it the slower hardcourts, Wimbledon or the US Open. It basically depends on whether he brings it on the big points. I predict two to three more slams for Federer, but I don't see him getting the number 1 spot back, although i wouldn't bet against it.
     
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  47. Cup8489

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    US Open is not the only semi-fast event. And it's slowed down over the last few years, too.
     
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  48. Xavier G

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    I think Roger's days of being no.1 for any extended period of time are over at the age of 31 coming up to 32. He will be looking to pick up Grand Slam tournaments specifically. He was no.1 for long enough. Djokovic should have the top spot on lockdown for a while.
     
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  49. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    That's some strong weed dude.
     
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  50. Mick3391

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    Read a great article yesterday, in short it points out their suggestions;

    1. Serve and Volley more, even if you get passed, it shakes things up.
    2. End points quicker to preserve your body
    3. Get his serve ON

    While these are easier said then done, I thought the article good.
     
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