Roger Federer racket (85 & 90sq) circa 2002-03

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  1. Equijet

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  2. crazylevity

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    Wow. Great finds.
     
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    where the heck did u get those?
     
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  4. Equijet

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    Recently, I strung one of those 90sq in RF rackets with the babolat team gut at 60lbs and I felt its specs really similar to K90.
     
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    for your next trick... set them up like dominos...(rub it in some more why dontcha?
     
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    That racquet is too demanding for you.
     
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    You wish it was.
     
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    Now that's a rare find, where is Breakpoint? :p
     
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    LOL, jorel, don't be too upset! :)
    Now if only the OP would tell us how he managed to get hold of this stash from Roger...... I really doubt he will sell though...:cry:
     
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  10. Nanshiki

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    Well you haven't explained how you got them...
     
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    Does he (I assume he's a he) have to explain?

    If you wanna know, it wouldn't hurt to ask nicely.....
     
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    Getting one racquet means you're lucky. Getting 10 usually means they're stolen :) (or very, very, very, very connected)
     
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  13. Equijet

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    Nanshiki, please don't call 911. I didn't steal them from Roger! Also, I didn't spend any cent to buy them.
     
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    You must be one of Rogers freinds, work for wilson, or be his stringer or something to get them for free :/
     
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    Whether you are or not, you must be pretty lucky to see what sticks he uses. From 85 to 95 lol Nice paintjobs.
     
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    great pictures, thanks!
     
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    PS85 forever

    Thanks for the great photos specially the "domino effect, it´s really cool. Finally you can provide all "tennis geeks" the specs of the PS90 Fed uses and the Ps85(weight, swingweight, balance).
    Please:cry:.
    By the way are these really from the fed stash?
    You could be rich selling the rackets for 1000$ each.
     
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    Here I am. :)
    The 90 sq. in. one should be a PS Tour 90 with the HPS 6.0 paintjob on it so it should theoretically play just like a retail PS Tour 90 or at least close to it.
     
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    I don't think Federer ever used the 95, although he may have tried it in practice. I think the OP only included the 95 in his pics for comparison purposes.
     
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    BP - the cross string drill spacing isn't like the PS Tour 90 or the N90. It's what they have in the retail K90. Federer could have had it this way from the beginning......
     
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    Hmmm...you could be right. In that case, Federer must have been playing around with different string patterns because after using this PS Tour 90 w/ HPS 6.0 paintjob, he switched to a PS Tour 90 with the retail black paintjob and it had the retail string pattern (5 crosses at PWS). Then later, his black PS Tour 90 went to 4 crosses at the PWS.
     
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    I do remember seeing Federer with what looked like a retail PS Tour 90......could have been a marketing move even back then to have Federer use a racket that was actually on the retail racks.

    Could it have been part of the "80" or so iterations of the frames that supposedly led to the retail K90 being the actual Federer racket we cab buy today?
     
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    Of course I'm a good friend of Roger. I should not such stupid to tell everybody else that my boss is a liar! Therefore, I don't work for Wilson but among those pros instead. I'm not a stringer or sports photographer either.
     
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    so... what are the weights of the 90 and 85?
     
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    Equijet: can you tell us the weight and point of balance of the 90"racket ?
    Thank you.
     
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    Quick question. What is the difference between the HPS with the Yellow box surrounding the "W" at 9/3 o'clock positions and the HPS with the Silver box surrounding the "W" at the same position? I ask because I have one with a Yellow box and was looking for another frame, and the only one I could find was the other one, and since I couldn't find the specs for either, I didn't buy it. Do you know the difference?
     
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    Good question, There was no specification different between the big "W" logo background in silver and yellow but only the different about the early and later production.
    The reason why the Hyper carbon Pro Staff 6.1 and 6.0 tour have both silver and yellow logo background, it because Wilson marketing reps wanted to make the logo more out standing after the early ones has been launched and noticed that the "W'" logo was too subtle with the silver background. As I remember that the Hyper carbon Pro Staff 6.0 tour didn't has "W'" logo with yellow background.
     
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    Furthermore, the Pro Staff 90 tour had same issue, you can notice that the earlest version didn't has big single Wilson Logo on the throat / Shaft area and only says PS Pro Staff at both sides. Shorty after, Wilson market reps wanted more branding on their products and made such change.
     
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    Soory for my typo, I mean Hyper carbon Pro Staff 6.0 tour didn't has silver background! Sorry for confusing!
     
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  30. supertrex

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    what are the weight and balance dude? can you pls share them.
     
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    Equijet is Stanislas Wawrinka.
     
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  32. Nanshiki

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    you seem to be very, very confused


    plus, Roger uses a 3/8 grip.
     
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    those racquets r beautiful
     
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    Could be to distinguish between different string pattern?... I've got a pair of HPS 6.1 with 18x20 string pattern, the box surrounding the letter "W' of which is yellow.

    A friend of mine who has the HPS 6.1 16x18 has the box in silver colour.
     
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    The specifications of the 85 and 90 sq in Roger Federer's rackets in Hyper Pro Staff paint job are both at weight 340g, balance 9 points / 31.5 cm head-light. It's sounds so familiar what is identical to current retail K-factor tour 90 but those 90sq in paint job racket was not existed in the market during early 2002. The different between the current retail K-factor tour 90 and the Roger's personal PJ racket is the PJ has lead inserted underneath the bumper guard and the paddle instead of building the racket of K-factor tour 90 come with this weight and balance combination. Because during the 90 sq in racket preliminary development, Roger wanted to modify the spec for his own demands on the weight and balance progressively. So, adding the lead is the most efficient solution for the spec development. Once Roger was satisfied the spec what was done, the following generations of Roger series racket have been producing on that specification since then. Therefore, the 90 sq in Hyper Pro Staff paint job racket is the grand daddy of K-factor tour 90.
     
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  36. VGP

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    So....the retail K90 is the actual Federer frame as he and Wilson claim when they released it.

    No wonder a lot of people don't like it as is. It's actually what a pro uses.

    Seems if you want to use what Equijet has posted here, go out and buy a K90 instead of bugging him to sell you one of his. If you wanna persuade him to sell, keep upping your offers.......
     
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    You're probably not American, the HPS 6.1 18x20 was available in Europe.....
     
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    Thanks VERY much for this excellent info. I guess all the mysteries of Federer's actual racquet have now been solved! I guess I was correct all along - Federer uses the retail K90 and he's been using it for many years under various paintjobs (HPS 6.0 95, PS Tour 90, nSix-One Tour 90, and K90). It looks like he hasn't changed racquets since mid-2002 (except for his brief test of the retail PS Tour 90 in early 2003). :)

    BTW, your post above should be made into a sticky at the top of this forum so that we don't have several threads everyday asking what racquet Federer really uses.
     
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  39. AlpineCadet

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    Well the funny thing is that the k90 isn't double braided in the throat.
     
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    Yep, Wilson doesn't liar to the public this time, K-factor six one tour 90 is real Roger Federer's spec racket (but the butt cap) and I think this spec will be lasted for future Roger's series models until he retire. Yet, everyone are able to get a retail K-factor tour 90 and string with Wilson Champion's Choice hybrid 16 to experience what Roger is actually playing with. But I believe that 80% K90 owners (I can't say players) would string their racket (probably natural gut with Luxlion combo) only one time when the brand new racket was bought and play with it once then retire it forever and tell other people else that they use Federer's racket. 15% owners really uses it on the court but struggling with their opponents with that racket too! Probably they will have some forgiving rackets along with them as substitution. 4.9999.....% players really capable to fully utilize this racket for the edge of the games. Only 1 out of 6.942 billion person is really use it as a lethal weapon who is mighty Roger only!
     
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    The K90 is not double braided anywhere just like the PS 6.0 85 Federer used before the K90. The retail PS Tour 90 and nCode 90 were however both double braided because they both contain HyperCarbon and they only use double braiding to incorporate the HyperCarbon (one braid of graphite with one braid of HyperCarbon). Neither the PS 6.0 85 nor the K90 contain HyperCarbon so they don't need double braiding. I feel like I've explained this over and over for the past couple of years already.

    Anyway, I'm not sure why you find the K90 not being double braided "funny" since the PS 6.0 85 that Federer used just prior to the K90 also wasn't double braided so that's why they feel much closer to each other than the nCode 90 did.
     
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    Are we in the same thread? The thread title reads "Roger Federer racket (85 & 90sq) circa 2002-03" so they should be the real deal. Check out the throat areas in the pictures again.
     
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  43. BreakPoint

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    Yes, I agree! Good one! :)
     
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  44. Equijet

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    No, the K90 is also double braided structure of high modulus graphite (wilson claimed that is "Kraphite") with Kevlar as same structure of Pro Staff 85. Wilson doesn't advertise this feature on K90 but doesn't mean it isn't double braided structure.
    If you dare to erase the coating of your K90 and cut it in half, then you can notice that it is double braided structure, it's cost $199.00 to find the truth.
     
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    Huh? You do realize that ALL of those 85 & 90 racquets in those pics are paintjobs, don't you? The only one that is not is the 95, which is a retail HPS 6.0 95 Tour for comparison purposes.

    The 85 pictured are PS 6.0 85's with the HPS 6.0 95 Tour paintjob and the 90 pictured are K90's with the same HPS 6.0 95 Tour paintjob. You do realize that the purpose of paintjobs it to make people think it's a racquet that it's not, don't you? So just because it has a "HyperCarbon" decal on it does not mean that the racquet contains HyperCarbon. Why? Because it's a paintjob!

    Courier's PS 6.0 85 paintjobs used to look like nCode 90's and they had the nCode 95 spec stickers on them.
     
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    Are you sure about that? Wilson confirmed to me directly that the K90 is NOT double braided. Also, both the PS Tour 90 and the nCode have the "Double Braided" logo decals on them but the K90 does not. Wilson uses double braiding to incorporate HyperCarbon into the layup and I do not believe the K90 contains HyperCarbon.
     
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    I've asked TW before, and they aren't sure themselves. Correct me if I am wrong, but no one on TTW has posted about their k90 being double braided in the throat, so at the moment, it's debatable.

     
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    The OP is saying that the PJ's he has are that of RF's collection, and that they are identical to the retail k90 but with lead customizations. The frames in his pictures also show that they are double braided. Is the k90 double braided?
     
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    Where in the pics do they show that the frames are double braided? Do you know what double braiding means? That cross-hatch pattern DOES NOT show double braiding. That shows single braiding. That's what braiding is - it's the cross weaving of the graphite layers, just like braiding a girl's long hair. What you are seeing is the single braiding. You cannot SEE double braiding from the outside of a frame because the second braided layer in beneath the outer braided layer. In a double braided frame, there are TWO layers of crisscross braiding - a layer of braided graphite and HyperCarbon on top and a layer of braided graphite and Kevlar beneath it which you cannot see unless you break open the frame to see all the layers underneath the outer layer. So it's called "Double Braided" because it has TWO LAYERS of (single) braiding, not because it's braided twice or anything. In any case, I'm not even sure if the cross-hatch graphite pattern that you see through the paintjob of a HPS 6.0 or HPS 6.1 is really the outer braided graphite layer or just painted to look that way.
     
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    I'm 100% sure what I said. Wilson uses double braiding to incorporate HyperCarbon fibre only at the racket throat area to reinforce the inertia strengh, not entire frame. You are right that those paint job rackets do not contain any fancy materials what are HyperCarbon, N-code or Karophite Black, etc.... they are just made of graphite with Kevlar braided, the same recipe as Pro Staff 85. I can bet with you if you ruined your K90 and find it I'm wrong, then I'm willing to compensate 10 or more to you. Cheers!
     
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