Roger is a total monster on indoor HC.

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  1. The Bawss

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    What do you guys think makes him so dominant on this surface during these past 2 years? What attributes contribute to this dominance and what is it that stops him from bringing this dominance outdoors?
     
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    court speed
     
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    The low bounce and relatively faster speed of the court. More so the bounce since his backhand is more of a weapon indoors.
     
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    Absolutely no bad bounces, abling him to time his shots perfectly, which he needs, easier. Plus a lower bounce. Add to that that those courts are currently the quickest out there.

    He is a total monster on any surface though, just not as big as Djokovic or Nadal anymore
     
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    The WTF court speed (as well as Bercy) was very slow. This has been discussed tons of times. Rotterdam, by contrast, was pretty quick. Way quicker than the Aussie Open for example.

    While this court was faster in Rotterdam, the bounce was not low.

    The WTF court was slow with a low bounce, this was fast with a 'normal' bounce.

    Federer just seems to get hooked up really well indoors.

    I really enjoyed watching tennis on these courts. They're quick enough to let shotmakers reap the rewards, but not so fast as to make it a 3 or 4 shot rally surface.
     
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    His backhand indoors is probably twice the weapon it is outdoors. Plus, it's way more consistent. He rarely mishits a backhand indoors.
     
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    His BH isn't a weakness on the indoor hard.
     
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    Yet another reminder how stupid it was for the Swiss Davis Cup to select clay in Fribourg for the matchup with the US a few weeks ago.
     
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    Federer would have won the CYGS if all the courts were on Indoor Hard.
    That how good he is......but not good as Becker or Sampras on this stuff.

    The 1st set from today final except for the first game was Roger hitting his godlike shots of 05-06.
     
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    I thought it was a good idea. I guess they chose clay for Wawrinka. I'm sure the Swiss DC team expected Fed to beat any of those clowns in the american team on any surface.
     
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    He's gone on record as saying how much he enjoys playing indoors where there is no interference or distractions from the weather!
     
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    He plays on top of the baseline and takes balls on the rise. This favors consistent conditions without outside influences. He lives and dies with his timing. No sun, wind and consistent bounces play into his game style. Someone like Nadal who stays 20’ behind the baseline could play on Mars without any detriment to his game.
     
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    The courts they played on may have been indoors but were way faster generally - especially the end of year championships.
     
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    The weather is an integral part of tennis, as experts like lolville and Quaky21 will tell you. Without weather, it's not real tennis.
     
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    Indoor tennis is also integral part of tennis and playing around more than 40-50 years. just because some fans favorite is not winning here doesn't dismiss the thing.

    No matter what lolville or whatever person thinks they are just opinion & wishful thinking.
     
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    I see. So the indoor tournies don't count then?
     
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    I don't think Federer is a total monster on indoor HC. He's certainly good on that surface and has a great record on it but he's not unbeatable. At Rotterdam he came very close to losing in the semis and almost certainly would have done if Davydenko hadn't decided to turn into Chokadenko in that 3rd set when he squandered one break of serve and then 3 more break points at 4-4 all!

    To be respected, even feared? Yes. Total monster? No.
     
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    clay wouldve been a sensible choice in regard to the whole team matchup.

    had they cared enough to lay it out properly
     
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    funnily enough he was the best wind player during his prime
     
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    At age 30 no player could be monster on any surface. I don't know any player has exist before
    Monster @ 30 don't exist.

    Monster performer must be under 27/28.

    If you will check the indoor matches his last easy loss comes in 2009 WTF against delpo.

    He lost to davy in semis but that was a close match ..5-7 in 3rd set then lost to monfils in 2010 bercy after 5 MPs.
     
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    meh idk how you could judge that. During his prime he was the best player ever no matter what the conditions so obviously if he's miles better than one player indoor, he'll still be miles better than them in a windy condition. Against someone like Nadal or Djokovic no way he's at an advantage outdoor in the wind against them compared to an ideal indoor condition like the O2 Arena
     
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    To be fair, Roger came to that tourny with zero confidence. I thought he'd lose very early, and never imagined him getting to the final, not to mention winning it. Fed's game looked shaky to me the whole tourny (including the final). It wasn't bad, with the usual patches of brilliance, but still very inconsistent, and there were ton of misses that you could see are a result of foucs/confidence problems. To me it is clear Fed still thinks about the AO loss to Nadal and his overall losses where he had chances. I don't see Federer doing well in IW/Miami and I doubt he'll even reach a final in Rome, MC, and Madrid.
     
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    agreed.
    saying the weather ruins his game is plane stupid.
    he dealt with various conditions in his prime, and now every twitch of wind or a bit of sun can make him lose??
    it's plain simple: his decline is ruining his perfect timing, THAT'S why bad conditions are getting worse for his game. so the indoors keep him 'safe'.
    i'm saying it as a fan, it's sad bad true.
     
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    Yeah, this is it. Of course it is. We see 'vintage Federer' far more often on an indoor HC these days then we do on any other surface. It always suited his game well, the indoor courts, but now even more so, because it makes his decline less. Same with clay, where he's not that much worse in 11 than in 06. In that case, it's more the extra split second he has to set up his shot.
     
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    Watch his match vs Soderling in USO2010 QFs. The wind was gusting (the windiest I've seen at the USO). Roger hit 18 aces that match and was hitting deep with angles. Considering the conditions, that match was a masterclass.
     
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