Roger vs Rafa 2004 Miami Video

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  1. agentaviles

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  2. Rozroz

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    wow.. now THIS Rafa i could enjoy watching for a bit.
    look where he stands! on the BASELINE??? who would've thought.
    and also, Federer was doesn't look very sharp.

    thanks for the link :)
     
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    He didn't hit that heavy topspin forehand back then yet.. at some point he just lost his "flat" forehand shot and started moon balling his forehand. Don't know if it hurt his career or not..

    Come to think of it.. same goes for Roddick, he also lost his powerfull forehand at some point.
     
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    He was a fearless seventeen y.o. young boy, hitting hard, nothing to lose.

    He played the same aggresive style three months earlier in the Australian Open against Hewitt, hitting amazing powerful forehands.

    He started using his lasso-whip forehand much more since 2005.
     
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    this rafa i could have learned to like.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CvCxCnOC7Q

    no cheesy capris and wife beater
    no time wasting
    no constant butt picking (only when eventually necessary)
    no reverse forehand finish
    no looping moonbals
    no ocd crap
    no tucking hair, the smeling my finger then bouncing the crap 100th time
    no bottle aligning
    no monkey jumping up and down
    ...
     
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    Exact same game he is playing today, same boyish enthusiasm on the court. A little thicker and a little taller.
     
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  7. Rozroz

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    maybe, but it looks like he actually wants to END points and come forward.
    Big difference.
     
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    I was thinking the same thing! I watched some footage of Nadal playing Gonzo at the 07 AO and it was like a night and day difference. Nadal was so much more aggressive and looked to end points so much more back then.
     
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  10. monfed

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    Ralph was actually fun back then. No time wasting b/w points, none of his OCDs, aggressive play.
     
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    Same enthusiasm, but definitely NOT the same game. Nadal hit his forehand through the court back then, and used the heavy topspin as a change of pace or to open up the court.
     
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    He absolutely destroyed those forehands when he was younger. :shock:
     
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    Wow...now that's a big difference. Well, I can't really say that he should have kept this strategy because he has been so successful, but I do believe he would be injured less if he stayed closer to the baseline and ended points a little quicker...you know, to save his body a little.
     
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    Thanks for posting this. I kept hearing how Roddick knocked Nadal out with a serve I finally saw it at around 6 min mark in the video :)

    I wish Fed played Nadal at AO and USO in 2004 instead of in Miami when was sick. Bad luck for Fed to start this rivalry in such a way.
     
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    Rafa's drop shots used to be absolutely sublime, and he wasn't scared to use them.
     
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    I like how people are saying he should kept playing like he played when he wasn't as good as he is now.

    The dude is a legend. We like seeing great players in their younger days because it's a fresh glimpse, but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    That 2004 Miami match was insignificant. Rafa played great. Federer had a hangover from Australia/Dubai/Indian Wells and played a mediocre match.

    2005 was far more interesting.
     
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    This FH takeback was more abbreviated back then, which would explain why he was able to stand a bit closer or on to the baseline and hit flat bombs out of nowhere.
     
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    Wow this Nadal is SO much more aggressive.
     
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  20. beast of mallorca

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    I think Fed did not win that time because he had Mononucleosis. Or probably the back problem. What a shame. It was always has been on his hands. Damn you Mono !!!
     
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    Commentator: Roddick mopped the floor with Rafa. Well, I guess his hair at the time resembled a mop, so it made sense. :)

    But that's really no way for Andy to pay back Rafa for taking Fed out at the 2004 Miami masters (the first of two he won): Bageling him in the first set (did I hear only five points in the first five games for Rafa?), then injuring him twice with his 140-152 mph serves. You know the time-wasting wasn't an issue back then if two sets were over in about 50 minutes (even with a 6-0, 6-3 score).

    Alas, things change, and Nadal got his revenge in a similarly one-sided affair last U.S. Open. But those highlights really make me miss Roddick from that era. I'd love to put him, Roger, Rafa and Nalby into a Hot Tub Time Machine and send them back to 2004.
     
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    Rafa's fist pumps and jumping were just as annoying back then.
     
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    actually THIS is the good old moonball Nadal.
    i guess Roddick was so aggressive that Nadal was just forced to moonball..
     
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    The people praising this Nadal tend to forget that he lost way more back then. :)
     
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    hmmm..one wonders with this style would he have been more like a blake or gonzalez.
     
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    not just that. he also respected a lot more tennis rules and regulations, giving other players a unfair advantage.

    that would lead to much less threads about him breaking rules and much less straw grasping excuses by his fans!

    ps: there would be a huge loss to TTW
     
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    I'm not sure he would have even made it to their level with this style.

    If you want to become one of the legends(obviously you need to have talent first), you need to find some balance, regardless of whether you favor defense or offense. A player that plays with no brain(bashing the ball as hard as he can all the time) or no balls(strictly defense) won't make very far.

    Fed's defense/Nadal's offense are very underrated but these are facets of their games which helped them immensely, even though it doesn't seem so at first.
     
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  28. namelessone

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    So I take it Nadal turned to the dark side in 2005?
     
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  29. SLD76

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    thats the general concensus I guess.

    with him going more for the defensive, run all day style.
     
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    It seems like he fist pumped after every point back then! Way more annoying than now LOL
     
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    no. he just did what he had to do to level the things since ATP doesnt take his wise words in acount in order to change the rules and stop the unfair advantage given to other players.

    he should be named Rafaelo Guevara Nadal de la Parera
     
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    He lost way more because he was very young and his overall game was far from developed. I mean you certainly can't fault him for changing his game, he has won 10 slams and finished the year ranked #1 twice...
     
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  33. beast of mallorca

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    Not really. But he made smug face Fed , cry even more. If only for that, Rafa
    should be commended for that change.
     
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    Contrary to all sarcastic posts above, I think there is a possibility Nadal would have benefit from a more attacking playstyle, because maybe he would have won more grand slams on hard court?
     
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  35. agentaviles

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    He very well may have won more slams on hard court, but I also think that he would win less French Opens playing this style. It's fun to think about though.
     
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