Roger will DESTROY Baghdatis

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  1. Coria

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    There comes a point for players who are doing what this guy has done--where it all comes to a crashing halt (although that will not in any way minimize the incredible achievement of this guy). Remember Chris Lewis in the '83 Wimbledon tournament? Came out of nowhere, got to the final, and got destroyed by Johhny Mac.

    Remember Clement vs. Agassi at Aussi Open five or six years ago? Remember Shuettler?

    The mental part is so taxing for a young guy like this-especially with his country going delirious. He's in the twi-light zone right now and is probably struggling to sleep well and relax. It will be too much in the final. His body and mind will flame out, guarantee it. Add on the energy he needed to beat Nalbandian--who kind of choked if we're being honest, he's totally mentally exhausted. And this isn't playing Nalbandian in the semis. This is Roger Federer in the FINAL.

    Fed is motivated now and has turned his game up a notch. He will be motivated to quiet the Baghdatis contingent of fans. He played brilliantly against Kiefer in the final two sets in semis and will carry that over in the final. He's also motivated to catch the likes of Mac and Wilander for majors won--let alone atoning for his flameout against Safin last year, where he would have won again if he didn't have a mental lapse on match point.

    I'm predicting Fed will win about 6-4, 6-3, 6-1. But, again, it won't take away from what this man from Cyprus has done! He's GREAT for the game!! And I think he'll be a major contender and top 20 or above player for years to come.
     
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    I expect the match to be similar to the other matches they have played against one another, particularly when Fed took him out last year at this same tournament. MB has had an incredible run - something truly special and memorable, but he's not playing with house money anymore. The fact that he was about to lose to Nalbandian gave him new life, he had nothing to lose. Now that he's in the final, there is ALOT to lose - a slam title, $$$, an amazing run. If he didn't feel the pressure before now, he'll feel it Sunday. Fed turned his dial up at the end of the SF match just in time for the final. He's won 6 of these, and he knows what he's doing and how to win. Some people think the rowdy fans will disturb him - I find that unlikely. Anyone remember back a few months when he played the US Open final against one A. Agassi? Do you think people there weren't rooting wildly for their man to win one more slam? Has MB even won a tournament?
     
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  3. Lleyton Hewitt

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    I think Baghdatis will beat Federer...he is very capable of doing this. Nobody thought he would beat roddick, ljubicic or even nalbandian at 2 sets down but he overcame the odds and i think he can do that against federer. But the thing is baghdatis will have his chances to beat federer its all about taking ur chances
     
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  4. SteveI

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    I have to agree with you on this one. Having said that.. and being a big Fed Fan..if Fed is not on his game, MB has the game to take the match deep and push Fed. If I was a betting man.. I would say Fed in 4.

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  5. gscone

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    I say- Baghdatis in 5...
     
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  6. SteveI

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    Anymore "Bets" on the table???
     
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  7. Coria

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    You guys are fooling yourselves. Do you honestly think Federer would let this match get away from him? It would haunt him for years--possibly put him on a downward path in his career.

    The guy has lost ONE final in what, almost 3 years. And that was to Nalbandian in a very tight five set Masters final that Fed really let get away from him. Plus, he was coming off injury and was not as his best--he still could have won numerous times. It was the best match Nalbandian will ever play--trust me, and probably the greatest win ever in his life.

    You guys really don't understand how great Fed. is. He IS great and probably will be the greatest ever. Get ready to watch a route.
    Remember how well Agassi played for 2 1/2 sets--and still lost, getting spanked in the fourth of the US Open final. Baghdatis will not be able to produce what Andre did that day. It will not be close.
     
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    I'll go for Baghdatis, even though it's a long shot. 5 sets.
     
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  9. Pistol Pete

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    I want MB to beat Roger. But if Roger is as good as everyone believes him to be and the hype is. He will crush MB in straights.
    6-3 6-2 6-3
     
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    RF is favourite to win, but that doesn't mean he'll win. I doubt it that anyone will be doing any kind of destruction that day. I expect a very even match. The way I see it, both guys are putting a lot on the line; both will be highly pressured to win. However, my logic says that RF will be more; think about it ;)
     
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  11. SteveI

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    Hi,

    I am thinking 6-4, 7-5, 6-7 (8-6), 6-1 The only problem Fed has is that he gets "bored".. you can see it at times.. I am thinking the 6-7.. he is getting bored.. but comes back to crush the hopes of MB.. just like he did to AA at the US Open this year.

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  12. Noelle

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    I'll throw my "bet" on the table and say it'll be Roger in 4 as well.
     
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    that's what I'd be saying in normal circumstances too.

    taking into account his loss to Safin, I expect that Roger will be very keen and win in 3.
     
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  14. 8PAQ

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    I expect 7-5 6-3 6-1 for Federer. Maybe 7-6 in the 1st. Last set will be a blowout because Fed always plays great in the last set plus Marcos will be spent.
     
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    I'd say five, with two really tough sets (2nd and 3rd; or 3rd and 5th, or something like that.. what do I know anyway?)

    As much as I want to believe that Fed will replace the USO with the AO, rabid NYers with rabid Cypriots, and AA with Baggy, and do the same thing all over again (i.e. winning in four)... I just can't picture it.

    Fed's fourth set win in the USO is as much as him raising his game as AA succumbing to fatigue. MB on the other hand has no chronic back pain and is riding a high.

    So Fed in Five. Although I beg to be allowed a (cowardly, I know) disclaimer: stranger things have happened.
     
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    Federer has alot of pressure as the newly appointed "best ever" to win more slams.
    He is a hugh favorite. He came up short in attempting to break Macs best season is last years last match. Can he win as expected like Mac in 83 ? Baghdatis has nothing to lose and everything to gain. The fans will be giving him tons of support. I hope he can continue zoning and break Federer's easy course to another slam. Roger had to rise to his immortal playing ability just to win the last 2 rounds, maybe he will run out of immortality and Baghdatis destiny will be achieved ? Maybe Nadal will win the French putting even more pressure on the newly appointed "greatest ever" ? How much pressure would that put on him for Wimbledon ? I would like to see the current tennis get really interesting. I would like to see this destiny prevail :)
     
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  17. UHS

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    If 3 sets: RF, If 4 sets: RF, If 5 sets: MB.

    Roger has a poor fifth set record for a dominant player, while MB's record is outstanding (I think 5 out of 5 so far)
     
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    Think about how much time MB has spent on the court. There is NO WAY he has as much in the tank as Federer. I find it unbelievable that anyone would think if it goes to 5 that Marcos will be hoisting the winner's trophy. Not a chance. I'd bet my car on it. He has probably spent at least 5 more hours on court than Federer. I don't care if he has an extra day off, it takes weeks to recover from 7 best of 5 set matches. MB may be riding a high, but it can only take him so far. The human body is resilient, but the same thing is going to happen to him that happened to Safin in the '04 final. In fact, I'd bet that this final will be a repeat of that final.
     
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  19. Take2

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    Nice spoiler title.
     
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  20. Coria

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    Dude, Fed is 2-2 in five set matches in the last two years, beating Andre in 5 in the US Open semis in '04 and Nadal last year in Masters' series. He lost to Safin in '05 and to Nalbandian in '05 Masters series final--he was coming off injury. As it was, he could have and should have won both. Please don't overstate things.
     
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    What are you talking about? The spoiler thing is for matches in progress or matches that have already been completed. Am I incorrect in this?
     
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    You're a dolt.
     
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  23. arnz

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    OK, my money is on Roger Federer. Are we allowed to bet money on here? Coz if anybody wants to take me up on it, I'm a go :mrgreen:
     
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    I was thinking dunce. What's with the newb flood? Can we send them back from whence they came?
     
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    I think what he means is that will be a nice spoiler title the day after the match...Fed destroys Bags
     
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  26. arnz

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    That newb thing is funny. somehow being on a message board and posting a lot makes you a better person? LOL
     
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  27. spinbalz

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    Federer in 3
     
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  28. Pancho

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    Mmmm. That's sad but I think you may be right. Federer is the player to beat now. I still like Baghdatis' passion and energy - he is way more entertaining to watch than any player at the moment.
     
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    Well, If you include 2003, it's 2-5 I think (lost all 3 five setters in 2003, if I'm correct). Of course he has a decent record, but since he is who he is, he should have won them all, like you pointed out. If you look at only 2005 he was 1-2, not particularly good for a guy who is a level apart.

    Sampras record between '89 and '02 is something like 33-12, Fed's is 8-9 since '99
     
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  30. pound cat

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    I would like to see MB win, just to complete the AO fantasy, but what I really want is a Slam .final with some great tennis...one to remember...and watch again instead of erasing the tape.
     
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    Remember my words, Federer loses in 5
     
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    MB's been put thru the grinder all week long, playing long setters. It could be a big letdown for him against RF. I hope the finals will be some sensational tennis, but I'm betting on RF in 3 sets. I'm sure RF got MB figured out already.
     
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    Federer trips in the second set, dislocating his right shoulder. Finishes the match left handed for a 4 set victory 7-6 in the 4th.

    MB is good for the game. I would like to see him win, even though I like Federer. Have you noticed that the guy actually seems to be having FUN. What a concept! He actually SKIPS back to baseline at times. This kid can really play some ball. I hope he continues to do well.
     
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  34. ATXtennisaddict

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    Roger in 4.
     
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    I agree. In the semi-final he appeared to be bored in the 1st two sets and then all of a sudden just turned on the after-burner. Kinda like Ali's rope-a-dope. Baghdatis seems to do the same thing too against Nalbandian. Sort of like biding his time and conserving energy between his service games and return games. Just hoping that the finals will be an all-out slugfest between the two of them.
     
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  36. sureshs

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    Roger will win unless Baggy's fans heckle him and make him lose his concentration. Those guys even showed up towards the end of Roddick's previous match to try to prevent him from facing Baggy! Didn't matter it turns out. Look for these fans to create soccer-style chaos to bug Roger.
     
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    Federer at least in 4.
     
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  38. vllockhart

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    I think Big Bad Bag will push Federer to come up with some more sparkling play than we have seen in this tourney thus far. Remember, when Federer faces these inspired opponents, he comes up with eye-popping stuff. I don't think he'll be caught by surprise by Marcos.

    I'll be up at 3:30 AM watching, will you??
     
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    I don't know who is going to win, but I will say that if Marcos takes one set off of Federer his run was legitimately good. However, if he loses in straight sets with a likely 6-0 thrown in there somewhere, then, he most likely has just had a lucky run. If you look at all the players who beat Federer or pushed him they apply relentless pressure(Nadal, Agassi, Safin and Nalbandian). Now, on the other hand, Baghdatis just blinks in and out of great play, which many players are capable of doing. And, as we all know, many players don't challenge Federer.
     
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  40. SteveI

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    Yes.. I will.. because.. If I tape the match.. somehow.. I will find out who wins and that will ruin the entire AO for me. Also agree, Fed has seen MB.. and played him 3 times.. he will have a game plan.. and he has Tony R. in his corner. Here is question for you?? How many players and GS titles has Tony coached?? I do not know.. but I am thinking... over 10?

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    Give Federer some respect. He is IMO, shown to be one of the best tennis players today. I agree with Kobble that there will be a bagel thrown in one of those sets. If Baghdatis gives Fed trouble than it goes to four, that’s it. Fed has never lost a GS final and will be “on game” to win his seventh. MARK my words, Fed will win. Anybody want to bet with me on Fed winning? The odds were $3000 to win $100.
     
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    Nope - nothing wrong with being a newb...Never said I was a better person than anyone, we have just had a rush of newbs lately that post idiotic stuff without earning the right to post idiotic stuff.
     
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    Federer in, 6:4, 7:6, 6:1.
     
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    That concept of RF getting "bored" is interesting. While he was playing Agassi on last year's US Open final and the great old man took the second set and pushed on the third it was like he was forcing a push to get extra motivation. The comparison with Ali's boxing strategy is interesting too.

    Following the logic, I think Fed takes this in 4. I will be happy if the cipriot takes it but, we won't know what wood Baghdatis is really made of until we watch that final match.
     
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  45. The tennis guy

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    MB will get nowhere near as much support as Agassi got at last year's US Open.
     
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    Fed in straights. It would be a huge upset if Baghdatis wins. I think midnight has struck for Cinderella.
     
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    I think what he means is that the thread title let everyone know Fed won his semi today, and this thread was posted only a couple of hours after the match. The title was a spoiler for the semi.
     
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  48. tenalyser

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    Guys let's not be to optimistic I know that Roger is the better player, but Baghdatis will play like a mad man I can assure you that. It all depends on how Federer will play the first two sets if he makes a good start and brings his A game with him we will probably experience a blowout BUT If he makes a slow start filled with errors then maby......... :shock:
     
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    Please don't forget to remember Boris Becker - Wimbledon 1986 ;)

    Baghdatis will win!
     
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  50. MagicMT

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    the Fed's gonna take it in 4 sets, 3 wouldn't surprise me either. it's incredible how he can raise his game when he needs to. in the 5th set vs Haas, he went into "invincible mode" and there was nothing Haas (or anyone!) could do.
     
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