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  1. BreakPoint

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    Then what the heck is the problem? If there's is a difference, why can't I or anyone else hear it? Can you hear the difference between Serena's and Sharapova's screams? There is a difference but you can't hear it? There's also a sound difference when they close the roof. Are you saying no one can hear the difference, either?
     
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  2. Povl Carstensen

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    When you state something "is" different, as you have, you are saying something about the nature of things, and not about your act/experience, whether or not the word fact is used in the context.
     
  3. BreakPoint

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    So if I said Dimitrov "is" going to win Wimbledon this year. Is that a "fact"?
     
  4. Povl Carstensen

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    No that is a prediction. But if you say something is different than something else, you have made a definitive factual statement. About something in the past, ie factual, not hypothetical.
     
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  5. Povl Carstensen

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    Still straw arguing. Apart from that I have no problem really.
     
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  6. Povl Carstensen

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    That is not a fact, but your experience or impression which could be coloured by other factors.
    But you also said there IS a difference in the sound, and now you are trying to deny that is a factual statement.
     
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  7. Sander001

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    Then it's not a fact. What you're describing is "conjecture", "inference", "supposition" or a "postulation". Any of these words apply, non of which are interchangeable with the word "fact". Please locate a dictionary before you injure yourself further.
    There's no effective distinction between the first and second sentence other than your use of the word "definitely".
    "I definitely heard a difference" = "I definitely thought I heard a difference".
     
  8. BreakPoint

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    Is it a fact you were shocked by 9/11?

    Is it a fact that you can hear the difference between Nadal's and Federer's voices?

    Is it a fact you would like to be a multi-millionaire?

    Is it a fact you sometimes dream when you sleep?

    Is it a fact you can taste the difference between a Big Mac and a Whopper?

    Is it a fact you get tired after playing tennis for 6 hours?

    Is it a fact you prefer racquet A to racquet B?

    Is it a fact you can tell the difference between a poly string and a multi string?
     
  9. BreakPoint

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    Because I never said that was a fact. Please show me where I said that was a "fact".

    The only thing I said was a "fact" was that I heard the difference in sound.
     
  10. Sander001

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    Those are ideas, preferences, dreams, opinions, expressions, desires and feelings. Starting to get it?
     
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    Do we need librarians any more?
     
  12. BreakPoint

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    So it's not a fact that sometimes you dream when you sleep?

    And it's not a fact that you get tired after playing tennis for 6 hours in 105 degree heat with 99% humidity?

    Oh, and it's a fact that I enjoy watching tennis. Yes, it is a fact I do enjoy it.
     
  13. RFedNike

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    So every time I see BreakPoint in a thread, I see that he is arguing with someone. Can we stick to the tennis please?
     
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    Welcome to Talk Tennis.
     
  15. BreakPoint

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    Hint: It takes at least two to argue.
     
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    I think you're finally making progress. Facts can be verified, proven. You didn't seem to understand that until now.
     
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    You don't get to 40,000 posts by talking about sunshine and kittens.
     
  18. BreakPoint

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    Have you heard another car honk their horn over the past year? Yes? Can you verify or prove it?
     
  19. Povl Carstensen

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    You do not need to use the word fact to make a factual statement.
     
  20. slice bh compliment

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    Truth. I am all about sunshine, kittens, puppy dogs and widdle wabbits. And my poast count is downright anemic for a guy who has been around for over a decade.

    BP is necessary around here. I see him as the hassidim....the orhodox jew...the keeper of the book. We should all be thankful to know the man whether we agree with him or not....whether he makes us smile or clench our fists.
     
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    Haha ^^^ But I guess I am fine with it, but he keeps flooding the Fed Racket updates.... =(
     
  22. BreakPoint

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    But if you're going to claim something as a fact, it's customary to use the word "fact" to let people know that.
     
  23. Nostradamus

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    WOW, this racket is performing great at Wimbledon. compare last year with Small racket Vs this year with Bigger racket.

    Results speaks for itself
     
  24. BreakPoint

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    Um...did you already forget about the 8 finals and 7 titles he won with his Tour 90?
     
  25. Sander001

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    That was during the weak era before the Nadal generation matured so he could get away with inferior equipment.
     
  26. BreakPoint

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    Was Sampras also using "inferior equipment" when he won 7 Wimbledons with an even smaller racquet? Almost all of his opponents were using bigger racquets also. So did Sampras also play during a "weak era"?
     
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    Not that much bigger, most of his opponents in the finals were also using midsized racquets while only 1 of Federer's opponents were using mids, the rest were using midplus sized racquets.
     
  28. BreakPoint

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    Why count only the finals? But if you want to look only at the finals, Agassi used a 107, Rafter used a 97, Pioline used a 97, Becker used a 92, Ivanisevic used a 93 (or 90 if you don't believe Head). Only Courier used the same sized racquet as Sampras. So just like with Federer, only one of Sampras' opponents in a final used the same size racquet as he did. The rest were using much bigger racquets, just as with Federer.
     
  29. Matt_May

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    Quoting Brad Gilbert on ESPN commentating Fed match, the new Wilson offering is "RF Pro Staff 97, 16x19"
     
  30. Nostradamus

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    This is why it is so hard to make people understand. WE are NOT comparing Young Federer. We are ONLY comparing OLD Federer that has lost little bit of his magic now.
     
  31. Sander001

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    Sampras played in 4 out of 7 finals vs opponents who used midsized racquets while Fed only faced 1 opponent out of 8 who used a midsized. Not to mention that Fed hasn't seen an opponent with a midsized in 12yrs.

    Midsized racquets have been on a downward trend for decades, sorry you didn't know that.
     
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  32. Povl Carstensen

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    Not really, and at least not nescessarily. When you say something is different from something else, you are talking about the things, and not about an act.
     
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    So now a 97 is a "midsize"? In any case, Agassi used a racquet that was a whopping 22 sq. in. bigger than Sampras's! And still lost. Both Rafter and Pioline used racquets that were 12 sq. in. bigger than Sampras's. Becker's racquet was 7 sq. in. bigger than Sampras's.

    By contrast, most of Federer's opponents (Nadal and Roddick) used racquets that were only 10 sq. in. bigger than Federer's. And Federer won all of those matches except one (5-1). And Murray's racquet was only 5 sq. in. bigger than Federer's.

    So in comparison, Sampras's opponents used bigger racquets than he did compared to Federer and his opponents.

    Sorry you didn't know that.
     
  34. BreakPoint

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    But the only thing I claimed as a fact, was when I used the word "fact".
     
  35. Povl Carstensen

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    OK I will notice your use of the word fact in the future (or perhaps we could call in 5555?).
     
  36. Povl Carstensen

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    Is this something you would recommend to others, that they use the word "fact" everytime they state something they believe to be a fact?
     
  37. BreakPoint

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    I'm talking specifically about the fact I heard the difference in the sound of Federer's old and new racquets. And I used the word "fact" to differentiate it between any other claims I may or may not have been making regarding this specific issue.
     
  38. Sander001

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    Trouble counting to 4?
    Courier Midsize
    Ivanisevic Midsize
    Becker Midsize
    Ivanisevic Midsize

    Federer only faced one opponent who had a racquet in the same category. Counting a few sq" here and there doesn't give the whole picture because there's more to a racquet then just headsize so you have to look at the category, whether it's a midsize, mid+, OS etc. Besides, do the math and you'll see the difference is almost identical so you have to look at category anyway.

    Or here's me admitting I was wrong and you were right: We shouldn't just look at Wimbledon finals, we should look at the respective top 10 or 20 or whatever and see where that takes us. I contend that midsize racquets have been on the downwards trend.
     
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    The "category"? The "category" is totally arbitrary. A 92 sq. in. racquet is not even a midsize, IMO - everyone has an opinion. A 78 sq. in. racquet can also be categorized as a "midsize". Does that mean there's no difference between a 78 and a 92?

    OK, here's the math. "Categories" are matters of opinion. Hard numbers are not. 97 sq. in. will always be 12 sq. in. larger than 85 sq. in. regardless of how you categorize them. And 100 sq. in, will always be 10 sq. in. larger than 90 sq. in. regardless of how you categorize them. In fact, 97 is 14% bigger than 85, but 100 is only 11% bigger than 90.
     
  40. TennisCanada1

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    Why do you thrive on arguing with people so much?
    I want to be able to just sift through these threads expecting to read about Federer's racquet, but instead it consists of pages of you arguing with users about a racquet being 7% or 8% bigger, or 7.7777%, etc etc. Just relax and don't get into the nitty gritty of things; don't take it so seriously.
     
  41. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    I just don't understand the drama. Fed has decided he, personally, right now, prefers a larger headsize.

    and isn't that the end of the debate?

    I just don't follow the relevance of who played with what and when. I played with a 65" when I was a kid, a 107 in the early nineties, and I seem to have setteld on variations of mid plus (95 - 100) since..

    so?

    y'all are crazy
     
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    Well said.
     
  43. Nostradamus

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    where is the PJ ? it can't be all black. that is too boring. we need some Red, and Orange colors in there for happiness.
     
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    Good taste, but i must ask, nostradamus, "Why do you need color for happiness?"

    Babolat took your advice with the pure strike. It is bright fluo reddish orange. I am very happy. I now have three matched similar to the forthcoming RF specs. But my happiness is more from the frame and the game than the paint. I would love this in simple black.

    I hope it is black with a minuscule red logo and a subtle, small font for the pro staff RF Autographics.
     
  45. Nostradamus

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    if you must have black, it must be Glossy bioflourescent black that glows. that will be fun color and happy too like Darth Vader. Good frame like this deserves the happy color.
     
  46. slice bh compliment

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    Ok, when it is released, if it is not happy enough for you, i will buy you a "life is good" tee shirt....for your happiness factor.
     
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    So I guess you think the only reason Federer doesn't now have 8 Wimbledon titles and 18 grand slams is because he wasn't playing with the 90?
     
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