Rosewall & Laver

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  1. BobbyOne

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    NatF, That way you must rank Budge very, very high (surely too high) because he has won the Grand Slam while for instance Vines does not. But yet Vines was probably the greater player.
     
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  2. BobbyOne

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    Phoenix1983, Your famous (but wrong) idee fixe...Rosewall did not have many chances to win Wimbledon and the Grand Slam, just contrary to Laver!

    I yet could make a case that Muscles is greater than the Rocket...
     
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  3. BobbyOne

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    kiki, Of course. I mostly even would enjoy an agreement of us about Fraser vs. Roche ;-)
     
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    Budge did the Grand Slam only as an amateur (obviously) so no I don't rank him greater than Vines.
     
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    Jack Kramer ranked Budge as more consistent than Vines overall. Vines' peak was greater than Budge's peak though.
     
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    I value peak level quite abit, Vines has that sort of mystique Hoad has - a very high peak level of play.

    Budge did beat Vines in their only meeting in the majors, but Vines was obviously on the downturn. I rank them quite closely if I'm honest. Budge probably would have won more in the pro ranks if the war had coincided with his career etc...
     
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    Roche may be more talented but Fraser was the champ.Both excelent left handed servers, very strong volleys, very good FH.Roche had a bit better BH.Both fit ( except when Roche had those injuries), but Neale was a more competitive breed IMO.
     
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    NatF, Good to read this.
     
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    kiki, I think that Roche had a much better volley than Fraser.
     
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    Not by that much.Fraser was as steady up there as they come ( from ozz)
     
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    kiki, Roche is most probably one of the 7 greatest volleyers of all time, at bh arguably even the GOAT, together with Rosewall.

    Fraser might be one of the best 40 all-time volleyers....

    Vive la difference!
     
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    Bobby
    Will you relax a bit?
    I perfectly know Roche is one of the best ever volleyers
    I watched him live and peak!!!
     
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    kiki, That's fine. I only saw Roche in doubles and on video clips.

    I'm never able to relax when somebody is saying a non-reasonable thing.

    You seem even so much relaxed that you are able to compare a GOOD volleyer with a possible GOAT volleyer...
     
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    I don' put em in the same volley class
    But the gap may be closer than you think

    B T W also saw Fraser but not prime
     
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    kiki, It's a pity that Fraser declined rather soon. I saw him playing (albeit as late as 1975) with a rather big belly...
     
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    If that makes you happy me watched Rosewall
    demolish him
     
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