Rosol v. Djokovic!

Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by MonkeyBoy, Mar 20, 2013.

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  1. Rosol in 2

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  2. Rosol in 3

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  3. Djokovic in 3

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  4. Djokovic in 2

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  1. borg number one

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    I agree Mike Sams. Nadal and other top players do often win when they are not playing well and he could have easily lost that Rosol match in straight sets too. Nadal is tougher in the second week, but it's not just the slower turf, it's also that by then he has played himself into great form after early wins. Nadal, by that second week, focuses on what really works best for him. In general, it's amazing how the top players can win close sets time after time against lower ranked opponents, but they tend to have that extra gear of course on crucial points. Rosol just had one of those days when everything was working for him. Things went back to normal in the third round when Philipp Kohlschreiber beat Rosol 6-2, 6-3, 7-6.
     
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  3. Netspirit

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    Yet Rosol would easily triple-bagel anyone posting in this thread.
     
  4. romeo8880

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    Highly doubt it. There are probably people on here who would beat him.
     
  5. axel89

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    you're a moron a class A moron
     
  6. Mike Sams

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    Rosol just as easily could've gone away after losing that close first set to nadal in the tiebreaker. Surprised he fought as hard as he did.
     
  7. FlamEnemY

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    Filip Peliwo? Sure.

    Anyone else, hell no.
     
  8. xan

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    with all due respect to Filip, I doubt it.
     
  9. Clarky21

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    Lol. I just think that Rosol is such a gigantic mug, that it is very unlikely Nadal will ever lose to him again unless his knees explode on court during the match. No rehab needed to be able to see that.
     
  10. Murrayfan31

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    Rosol has Nadal's number. I don't care how poorly he performed against Djokovic. It's reallly hard to go for your shots against Djokovic. Nadal is the opposite because he constantly gives you short, high balls to smash. Djokovic gives you lower and deeper balls which will make you look bad if you don't play with spin.
     
  11. Mike Sams

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    Yup, anybody think that Djokovic would've ever fed Rosol 3 short topspin balls with Rosol smashing them for 99mph winners off the backhand of all places? :lol:
     
  12. Mike Sams

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    He may never beat Nadal again but it's not unfathomable that Rosol gives Nadal a lot of trouble if they meet again on grass. Could be another spectacle of huge hitting and monster serving. Seems like he knows how to get under Nadal's skin.
     
  13. Towser83

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    Well i agree he will never beat Nadal again, it was a total fluke one off performance but nice to see you have faith in Nadal winning especially now he's playing with renewed purpose.
     
  14. Mike Sams

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    Nadal's only been back for a few weeks. It's going to be a very different story once the grind of the tour kicks in and his body starts feeling the full effects of it. Especially as he advances in age.
     
  15. Netspirit

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    Nope, Filip is only known for posting on TT, but is nowhere to be seen when it comes to ATP Masters.

    People tend to forget that even "measly top 100" players like Rosol are only lame when compared to the best tennis players on the planet. They have been training hard since childhood and would wipe the court with any of us.
     
  16. Mike Sams

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    It seems like Djokovic has left a bad taste in everybody's mouths regarding Rosol after this lopsided win. I guess we all forgot that Djokovic is the world #1 and has smashed a lot of players just as badly on hardcourts as he did to Rosol. Check out some of 2011 where he crushed many top 20 players including Wawrinka, Soderling, Monfils, Tsonga, etc. They could barely win games.
    Djokovic even if he's not at his 2011 level can still summon that same game at times and wipe the court with many good players.
     
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    So you also believe in the knee injury? He won FO, and then he enters Halle both singles and doubles. A guy with knee injury enters both tournaments? Then he lose in Wimbledon. Then suddenly the injury story comes up
     
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    I admit Federer was lucky not to be bounced in first week in Wimbledon 2010 but that was just once ever since he won Wimbledon in 2003. First week of Wimbledon is tough only for Nadal. I haven't seen Djokovic or Murray or Federer struggling in the first week on a regular basis. As for Nadal, there are only two occassions when he escaped first week without playing five setters in the first week, 2008 and 2011.
     
  19. vernonbc

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    But there were no elements to take out of the equation. :( The damned roof was closed because it was going to get dark in half an hour but after Rafa had gotten on a roll and beaten Rosol easily in the fourth set, he likely could have closed out the fifth set while there was still daylight if the referee hadn't stopped the match.

    The closing of the roof really helped Rosol. He said himself he could hardly move after the fourth set but the 40 minute break allowed him to get physio and food and coaching advice. Now, he may still have won that fifth set, but the odds were against him until the referee made that fateful decision. In the end, he won only one more point than Rafa for the whole match...191-190 or something like that.
     
  20. xan

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    he still handles bagels left and right in 2013 as well.
    edit: just checked, 4 bagels and 9 breadsticks since the start of the season. even in the matches where his level is inconsistent.
     
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  21. Towser83

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    That's true, but him skipping Miami is a good sign that he's finally thinking about his body more and will take breaks when he needs to.

    Yeah but I though Nadal lost because he was injured? He himself said his loss "was a death foretold" and that it was impossible to win because his knees were so bad. So he thought it was just impossible to win that match, nothing to do with the roof eing closed. What excuse is it then, the roof or injury?

    Maybe if the match had carried on Nadal's knees would have gone and he'd have been in big trouble. Perhaps the 40 min break gave him the chance to rest them and get some treatment (given that he didn't play another match for 7 months after this and he thought his loss was foretold, I would be amazed if he didn't do something to help him in the break) But as it was he played fairly fine, just at that point Rosol started playing one off tennis.

    Really stopping the match at 2 sets all was the correct and fair decision. They can't operate with the bias that one player will likely beat the other one very quickly. That isn't fair. What if the match goes to 5-5 and now it's getting dark and you have to stop? Where do you stop? If a player come back and has to serve and gets broken straight away there will be a huge sense of unfairness there.What if Rosol has a 15 min service game that ends in almost total darkness, maybe he gets broken in unfair conditions or Nadal breaks then they close the roof and he gets broken back upon resumption. Once in the middle of a 5th set there is no fair place to stop, so better to stop before that, where at least if someone gets broken because they are cold, they have the whole set to get it back. Nadal didn't break back because Rosol, despite being a vastly inferior player, was better in that set.

    I dunno why Nadal fans get so annoyed about this, had Nadal won he likely would have lost the next match and sustained further damage to his knees.

    I also don't get why everyone hates Rosol so much. It's like Nadal fans get annoyed with ***** for hating Nadal cos he beat Federer 19 times, but Rosol beats Nadal once and that's an ok reason to hate. He isn't even worth hating, he's a fluker.
     
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    The only thing that got under Nadal's skin during that W match was his knees.
     
  23. I don't see any Rosol hate at all around here. What I see is people annoyed with the Rosol worship from the same camp who treated Soderling like a god after FO '09. Of course that ended after Nadal spanked him a year later in the final.

    What's funny about that Wimbledon match is I could see Nadal was going to lose from the first set. His level of play was absolutely abysmal. No movement, absolutely nothing on his shots. He just couldn't play. But a certain faction loves to try and say he was at his absolute best. Anything to try and take something from the man who has taken so much from Federer I guess. The problem is it just doesn't line up with reality.
     
  24. Mike Sams

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    Nadal benefited from the 40 minute break more than Rosol did because it gave Nadal a chance to rest his injured knee and get coaching advice and relax his mind and body. He was by far the more experienced player in such circumstances. If the match had continued, Nadal may have aggravated his knee injury even worse for all we know. At least he could use the 40 extra minutes to ice down his knee.
    And who can really say that Rosol would've gone away in the 5th set considering that he lost the first set and then beat Nadal in the second and third? Rosol still had a chance to win regardless of the 40 minute break. He was just the luckier player because he found his top form before Nadal could in that match.
    It was a great match and Rosol really should get credit for being able to play the way he did. Not many people hit 99mph backhands! It was pretty nuts!
     
  25. Mike Sams

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    You knew nothing of the sort so stop typing! :lol: :lol: NOBODY saw Rosol winning that match. NOBODY!
    Stop pretending like you knew. It's always easy to talk in hindsight.
     
  26. Mike Sams

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    Nadal can replace his knees with a cyborg's and he still will have no answer for a 99mph backhand. :lol:
    Nobody hits shots like that unless you're in some kind of freak mode.
     
  27. Mike Sams

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    That's because he's going to be playing 5 consecutive clay tournaments. Makes sense. He'll need every bit of energy he has at nearly 27 years of age to make it through.
     
  28. Towser83

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    Oh there are a handful of people who totally hate a guy who is neither here nor there. And by that I agree all the hype around the guy who fluked a win vs Nadal is flat out laughable.

    Nadal's form in Halle and his first match of Wimbledon were not great. Wasn't playing great in the Rosol match either, but Nadal has more often than not taken time to get his game together on grass, been taken 5 sets by journeymen even in 2010 (twice) so I saw nothing weird in what was happening. What was weird was that he didn't dominate the 5th and Rosol didn't choke.Which is probably good because Nadal seriously needed to stop playing and I have no idea what his plan was because surely he knew he had to stop playing.
     
  29. Mike Sams

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    I was saying before that grass is the most dangerous surface on the tour in terms of potential upsets. Tomas Berdych was smashed by Gulbis in the first round before Rosol took out Nadal.
    Nadal was in trouble at Wimbledon numerous times. Hell he could be in trouble again this year if he draws a John Isner, Kevin Anderson or inspired Janowicz in the first week. Who is to say that Nadal or any of the top players are safe on grass?
     
  30. Towser83

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    True, i think partly there is so little grass season that if you are a bit out of sorts and getting used to grass again, you can be caught cold. Fed almost lost to Benny last year.
     
  31. Mike Sams

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    Yep, Federer almost lost to Falla in the first round in 2010. Surprises happen.
     
  32. veroniquem

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    I disagree. Rosol went into what you call "freak mode" because Nadal let him. Rafa was playing nowhere near his usual level (which was true about the RG upset as well and Sod is an immensely better player than Rosol). I dearly hope Rafa will have to play him on grass again. So people can see what a fit Nadal would do to Rosol on any surface. Really, I can't wait. (The Rosol W case had nothing to do with a player going on a hot streak a la Tsonga AO 2008 or Delpo IW 2013 or even Sod in RG 2009, let's be clear about that. It was mainly about Nadal being subpar which is why Rosol got easily disposed of- as he should - in the next round. )
     
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  33. Mike Sams

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    Well it's not like Kohlschreibber didn't kick Nadal's behind too a couple of weeks prior in Halle the way he did to Rosol. Maybe Kohl is a GOAT candidate here :lol:
     
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    Halle is squeezed between an overloaded clay season for Nadal and a slam. It's never been a priority for him.
     
  35. forzamilan90

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    Kind of want Fed to play Rosol now to complete the trilogy..plus Rosol was talking smack about thinking he can beat Fed
     

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