Round 1: Rafael Nadal [1] vs Marcos Daniel

Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by meg0529, Jan 17, 2011.

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How will it go down?

  1. Rafa in 3

    39 vote(s)
    75.0%
  2. Rafa in 4

    1 vote(s)
    1.9%
  3. Rafa in 5

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Marcos in 3

    9 vote(s)
    17.3%
  5. Marcos in 4

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Marcos in 5

    3 vote(s)
    5.8%
  1. TennisFan3

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    Absolutely. Sorry about that. Thanks for the wealth of information. P_Agony is a genius. I feel enlightened :)
     
  2. TennisFan3

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    Not to be a jerk, but one won't know that Nadal has recovered until someone runs him ragged and he has a couple of close matches. The fever/sickness goes away soon enough. It's the post-illness weakness that is a bane at the top level where it's a game of inches. Even a 5% drop can lead to disaster. Think of Federer, and how long he had to suffer with the after effects of the mono.

    In that sense, Nadal did not benefit from the easy match. He could have done with a (UsOpen 1st rd) Gabashvili like match where he had to run a lot and dig in deep to win in straights. Instead Daniels barely kept the ball in play. So until Nadal has a couple of tough matches, where his fitness is tested, we won't know whether the flu is truly behind him..
     
  3. ruerooo

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    Even more recently than that, people forget that Roger was recovering from a lung infection just prior to Miami and IW. People have no memory.
     
  4. meg0529

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    I agree with you on the weakness factor. But I disagree with the needing a tough 1st match. Nadal's practice sessions are always very intense, and the more he can put off straining himself the better. Also, this cold/flu, was not serious, he would not have been able to play if it was really bad. Weakness never lasts more than 2 weeks for me and I don't get any special medical support post flu like he probably got. But he should be perfectly good to go next week.
     
  5. P_Agony

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    Oh, so I see Benhur shared some of his excellent writing skills yet again. "Pathetic Agony". Man, how did he come up with that? Must be really special to be Benhur, so clever, so sharp. Its a shame that with all those great writing skills he's still a moron. Such a waste.
     
  6. TennisFan3

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    Dude, like I said before, I generally like your posts. But I'm sorry, the one on Nadal NOT being injured and just withdrawing against Murray for the kicks, makes no sense whatsoever. That's just rubbish at best, and trolling at worst.

    Frankly, I'm surprised you wrote that..
     
  7. TennisFan3

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    I've recovered myself in 3-4 days too. But I don't have to go and win the AO and neither am I World #1. And for that matter, you aren't either :)

    Like I said, it's different at the top level. It's a very demanding sport. Let's just see what happens. In my opinion Nadal needs to get through the 1st week without major hiccups, and then hope that he will be 100% by the late second week. But there is no question of the illness affecting him for sometime at the least. There was an article which pointed out that Nadal also lost weight in the past few weeks..
     
  8. P_Agony

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    No, its not. You're a Nadal fan so you'll never admit it, but think of it this way: Had Nadal broken Murray the game before, would he still have retired? Do you agree with me that if these guys were back on serve after Nadal broken back he would at least continue to try and win the set, hopefully to take the match to a 5th set and win it?

    Fact is, Nadal couldn't do it, so he retired 3 games before the finishing line, taking all the credit away from Murray and putting it on the "injury" excuse. If you have watched the match you know Nadal played some of his best tennis in the first two sets and could win them both with this level against almost anyone else, but Murray was just too good that day.

    Also, this cannot be considered trolling because it is a valid opinion with a point given to back it up. Saying stuff like "Nadal is a topspin monkey hehe" is trolling.
     
  9. P_Agony

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    Here are some quotes from the Nadal/Murray match thread itself:

    Is it possible that Nadal was faking injury? As you can see I'm not the only one suspecting.
     
  10. meg0529

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    You need to read his posts more often. :)
     
  11. Gorecki

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    My god... what a thrilling first round for Nadal... he must be exausted! rigged draws i say!
     
  12. meg0529

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    Cute that you quoted only the *******s.
     
  13. oneness

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    This jury ROCKS!!!! LOL
     
  14. Mustard

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    Firstly, they are anti-Nadal. Secondly, those posts were in the heat of the moment.
     
  15. TennisFan3

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    Ok. This is the last post on this subject from me. First, the fact that Nadal withdrew from the match changes NOTHING. Murray still won in straight sets, and almost anyone who knows anything about the game, admits that Murray would have beaten Nadal anyway in straight sets - the injury notwithstanding.

    Secondly: In AO 2010 QF, Nadal tweaked something in his knee - mid/late second set before the TB. He said after that he had difficulty moving, and just started to take more chances to compensate for the lack of movement (by being more aggressive with groundies).

    Withdrawal decisions from a match are rarely black and white. Nadal also hasn't withdrawn very often from matches as he considers it dis-respectful. As I said before, he continued in Rotterdam when he had a worse injury. And in the past, he probably would have continued.

    But in the AO 2010 QF, he was not sure how serious the injury was. More importantly he dreaded doing additional damage. Now this was the guy who had almost wasted 2 slams, and lost his #1, #2 because of overplaying, getting injured and being careless. Basically wrecked his own career on his own, thank you very much. So obviously, he didn't want to take any more chances. He tried a little in the 3rd set, and during the changeover, he spoke to the doctor/physio and asked him how long he can continue and if he can ACTUALLY go play a 5 set match without additional risk. The physio answered in the negative, coz they considered the injury serious.

    So as Nadal's movement deteriorated (and it was painfully obvious to everyone) Nadal withdrew. Even if he had broken Murray, he still wouldn't have been able to complete the match. Would he have continued a little longer? Who knows...But it wouldn't have changed the result. That's for sure.

    Nadal himself said post match - " In AO 2010 QF, I reached my physical limit, but this time, I did not cross it unlike the last year". That means, he was wiser from his 2009 experience when he played with F'ed up knees, and rightfully so.

    Bottomline: Like I said, before, the retirement hardly mattered. You won't see any reasonable poster attributing Nadal's defeat to injury. Nadal got BEAT by a better man. Period.

    Finally, FWIW, I'm not exclusively a Nadal fan. I've been a long time Sampras, Becker, JMac, Lendl fan etc. I also liked Federer when he became #1 in '04 and used to follow him actively. I was never a huge fan of Nadal until '08 when he improved and became #1. So I like both of them - along with Djokovic, Murray etc. So please don't accuse me of being biased..
     
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  16. P_Agony

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    Actually half of them hate Fed. Check your facts before you post.
     
  17. Legend of Borg

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    Spider is about as pro-Murray as Brits get.

    You can't get any bigger Murray Mania than that.
     
  18. meg0529

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    Lets go with anti-Nadal then
     
  19. P_Agony

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    My last post on the subject as well. :)
     
  20. P_Agony

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    Hey, remember Maximo? That guy was Murray himself I think. :)
     
  21. P_Agony

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    Sad that you think so. I have nothing against you personally so hopefully you'll enjoy my posts more in the future.
     
  22. Legend of Borg

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    He brought Murray trolls to a whole new level.

    That's how trolls used to be back in the day.

    We're currently going through a weak era.
     
  23. meg0529

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    Look, I like that you don't resort to calling people names all the time, like aphex and drakulie. I've been down the "cheater"/"faker" road many times with all of you. It really all leads to noman's land. No one knows the truth, so it's all just speculation. I'd rather NOT put myself in a bad mood without reason.

    The thing that bothers me, is that *******s, claim to HATE Nadal and still watch the WORST Nadal matches...this one for example. Normally the claim to watch it for the opponent, but please don't tell me they were Daniels' fans. Just when nadal started to mess up they flocked talking about how nadal was struggling against a cripple, "Fed would have finished this guy off already". I could barely watch 1 full set of Fed's match. It was just boring, Lacko was very lackluster and I don't really like Fed's game. You didn't see me there in the thread laughing and talking nonsense about Fed when he got broken. Yet instead of discussing Fed's game, people were throwing in comments about how the guy bageled Nadal in Doha. Is that all so necessary? Point is, it doesn't matter who Nadal plays or how DRY the match is, ****s will watch it only to pick on Nadal's mistakes. That is some real BS.
     
  24. P_Agony

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    In the bolded.
     
  25. meg0529

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    You are right, this forum IS all about speculation and "discussion". Also, Lacko being lackluster, doesn't take away from Fed's win. However, going on about how awesome Fed is for beating a guy who bageled Rafa is annoying, and leads to hostility from Rafa fans. Fed played well and won. Rafa did what was necessary to win, lol and won. Both are in teh second round, lets just enjoy the tennis.
     
  26. Legend of Borg

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    Reasonable post.

    I guess you're not a veroniquem or a NSK.
     
  27. DragonBlaze

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    Na, meg's cool. The other two bring some much needed comic relief to these forums. Well atleast that's what I take their posts as since they can't possibly be serious! :shock:
     
  28. meg0529

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    lol thx guys. Vero is Nadal fans' answer to aphex and co. Although I find her less vicious, which might be because I'm a Rafa fan. lol. As far as nsk goes, he's so ott these days. It's entertaining. :lol:
     
  29. ruerooo

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    Personally, I find her more of a Roger-hater and less of an actual Rafa-fan, but to each his/her own.

    What I did find out with her pronouncements is that even if you put someone on "ignore", other people can still quote them. That does annoy. :???:
     
  30. Benhur

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    That might make some sense in a player with a previous reputation for quitting. Nadal, if anything, has a well-earned reputation for not giving up easily, has won many long matches by attrition and sheer will power, and has staged a great number of unlikely comebacks. He also has stayed through to the end when he was being badly outplayed, notoriously against Gonzalez in AO 07, against Tsonga the following year, against Davydenko in Miami, against Blake at the USO, against Nalbandian and Federer in indoor mathches, and probably many others I forget.

    Now, all of a sudden he is playing in the quarterfinals of a major, and out of the blue he is going to fake an injury and quit because he is down a break in the third set.

    Those who say you make no sense at all on this are right. If that's your opinion, present it only as such and leave it at that, don't try to dress it with imbecilic arguments that make no sense. As I’ve said many times, you need to breathe some fresh air away from your screen once in a while.
     

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