RPM Blast & TF X1 BiPhase -- Alternative suggestions?

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  1. AA5B Tiger

    AA5B Tiger New User

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    I've been stringing my Head Extreme MP with RPM Blast 17 in the mains and TechniFibre X1 BiPhase 17 in the crosses. Tension 52/57. All-court player with an emphasis on serve and volley, live by my getting in a hard kick serve for my 2nd serve... Really need something to pocket/bite.

    Things I liked with RPM/X1 before it went dead: Excellent feel, best ball-pocketing of any string I've used -- could swing as hard as I wanted with groundstrokes and watch it just jump down at the baseline unlike nothing else I've tried.

    Things I hated: It was dead/board-like after about 2-3 matches. At nearly $20 for string alone, that's way too quick to go dead. Even if it was $5 a stringing, 2 matches is way too short .

    I've tried MSV Hex / Goshen 17 at 50/54 and it was really good, yet I was hitting long. I tightened it up 5 lbs and it felt like a board yet I was not longer hitting long. Seems MSV Hex really doesn't want to be much above 50-52... I have thought about keeping MSV at something low 48-50 and while the synGut or MF crosses are up in the upper 50s, but it seems wrong to have such a large difference in tensions between mains and crosses.

    Tried MSV Hex / Sweet 17 -- and it was horrible @ 50/54. The Goshen cross had a much crisper, more lively feel.

    So... Any suggestions for longer lasting string combinations and/or tensions that would rival the initial playability, ball-pocketing, touch of RPM/X1?

    Many thanks in advance.
     
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  2. Woolybugger

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    I use a similar setup Blast 17 and Xcel 17 at 53/58. I buy both in reels and string myself so the cost comes down to $14. You could try a cheaper multi like Babolat Addiction.
     
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  3. AA5B Tiger

    AA5B Tiger New User

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    Many thanks for the response.

    Are you getting good durability from the Blast/Xcel combo?

    Do you just end up cutting it out due to it going dead?
     
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  4. wmilas

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    For the feel you want, you pretty much already have the optimum. Its got some of the best bit that exists. Like you said, the RPM goes dead in 2-4 hours and the x1 turns into a rocket launcher.

    You could try Natural gut in the mains and MSV co focus in the crosses. If your form is good on your kick (Full pronation along with fast head speed) you'll get 90 to 95% of the kick and the string job will last you 8-12 hours before the gut breaks (Note gut in the MAINS not in the crosses).

    You'll have to string the gut higher than you are used to. It wont feel as crisp as what you are used to, but on the plus side your volley play will be much better.

    Basicly, you are screwed :) Live with your current setup for massive kick serves or compromise on one aspect of it for longer string life.

    MSV btw should NOT be strung above 52 lbs. MSV has said this over and over. I've strung it at 54 and its ok.. I personally don't string it above 50 anymore. 48-50 seems to be its sweet spot for me.
     
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  5. AA5B Tiger

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    Thanks much for your note.

    Q: If I went Gut / Co-Focus, what tensions would you suggest to get close to the feel of RPM/X1 @ 52/57? Specific Gut you recommend? Prestretch?

    I'm ready for gut as dialing in something great only to have it fleeting in a match or two is annoying. I loved TF Black Code for the same reason. It was like I couldn't miss with it -- for about 3-4 hours. Then, I probably could have done equally well swinging a 2X4. Ditto for full X1. Sublime for maybe 1-2 matches then I couldn't control a thing. Was in in heaven with RPM/X1, again for such a short period of time before it felt like a board... #Frustrating
     
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  6. morandi

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    I second running gut in the mains and RPM crosses. I was really surprised at the durability and longevity of this set up. I thought I was just going to shred through the gut, but this set up has lasted me longer than running RPM in the mains and X1 or Premiere in the crosses.
     
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  7. wmilas

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    If you went Gut/CoFocus (or whatever poly you want to try, they all actually FEEL different with gut unlike when you have a poly in the mains) I'd try the gut at 58 (you can go as high as 60) and the coFocus at 48-52. Don't go past 52 or it changes the way the poly plays. Start at 50.

    I don't pre-stretch. I use Pacific Natural gut because its nice and crisp for a gut and it doesn't cost me an arm and a leg. The Bab gut is too soft. The Wilson is very nice, but very expensive. Anything cheaper than the Pacific I don't like. (I've tried them all).

    I'm a fairly heavy top spin baseline hitter with serves that tend to be more spinny. First serve is a craptastik hybrid flat kick (or a slice), second is a tradition kick. Spin is my main weapon. I get 8 to 12 hours depending if its practice or match play. All match play is 12, practice is 8 (I hit a lot of balls in practice). I use Pacific 17, and MSV 18 gauge. I always pop the gut before the poly. I could go down in gauge with the gut for longer life but I don't like the way the MSV feels after 12 hours. It starts to feel too board like.

    If you use another poly, keep in mind the textured ones WILL cut through the gut faster IF you are a heavy spinner. I've noticed that people say that the textured polys don't cut the gut when they have relatively flat games. There are many textured polys that work well. Big Banger Rough is excellent.. but shreds my gut.

    My opinion is that you should try gut/msv tune it in, then try some other gut/poly pairs and compare them to the gut/msv.
     
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  8. Woolybugger

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    It lasts me 1 week, or 10 hours of play. Just as the Blast is beginning to die, the Xcel breaks, so the timing is just right to get the most out of it.
     
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  9. AA5B Tiger

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    For what it is worth, I found a couple of old packets of PolyStar Classic 17. 'Never used it before and thought I'd give it a try. Did a full bed at 55#.

    It didn't have the sublime feel/pocketing of brand-new RPM/X1, but it still had quite a bit. My kick serve was really jumping high. I hit tons of touch volleys.

    It wasn't the easiest to string. Also, I would watch it just stretch on the machine -- i.e. after getting to the target of 55#, it would very slow stretch and stretch and stretch while being constant-pulled... After a 5-10 count or so, it would stop. Strange -- 'never seen a string do that before.... 'Will be curious how it holds up.

    At $75/reel, the price is right.
     
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