RPT Spanish Training Model

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  1. Ash_Smith

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    ^^^ I'm not sure they were worried about the promotion of the RPT (USPTA and RPT have quite a few link-ups including cross certification). I assume it's more to do with the conference being a USPTA event, which they were charging attendance fees for and therefore not wanting to give away the info for free post event.
     
  2. tennis_balla

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    Someone posted the whole DVD on YouTube not too long ago. Try and look for it if it hasn't been taken down.

    I posted the clips for education purposes but got nailed by the YouTube police anyways, funny enough some posters emailed me to send them the whole DVD but I declined and some like a poster above went out and bought the video from the USPTA site, so I actually made them money.
     
  3. 5263

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    makes sense, thanks
     
  4. SFrazeur

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    Yeah. I was the one who saw your videos and then bought them from the USPTA proshop.:) I'm also the guy who emailed the USPTA and reported the youtube videos that were uploaded by someone else last year. :D

    On Court With USPTA:
    Spanish Practice Patterns For All-Court Play
    Spanish Practice Patterns: Hand-Fed Drills
    Are both great dvds with long seminars. Highly recommend!

    -SF
     
  5. TriFloW

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    And I am across the pond can I get these in the UK

    thanks
    gary
     
  6. 5263

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    I tend to think of tennis as a movement and position game, with hitting being a level of
    skill you have at the moment.
    In the US, it seems most instruction does not get too far past the hitting technique
    stage. It's one of the reasons I favor simple technique that is the foundation
    for a big upside as feel and timing improve.
    It allows you to get to the movement and positioning sooner, where the game is contested.
     
  7. tennis_balla

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    5263, are you trying to get this thread locked/deleted as well? ;)
     
  8. 5263

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    It's not me that tries to get any thread deleted. My comment was on the best
    of behavior, avoiding any names of people or instruction that set whiners off.
    Just sticking to the concepts that could be considered important...however
    you want to accomplish them.
     
  9. tennis_balla

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    I was just being sarcastic, I thought the smiley would give it away
     
  10. sureshs

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    Does the RPT Model have a special section on teaching how to get injured like Nadal?
     
  11. dominikk1985

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    nadal is not a product of the spanish system. the spanish "headquarter" is in barcelona while nadal is from mallorca.
     
  12. Ash_Smith

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    ^^^Nadal is a product of the "spanish system" insofar as Toni Colom, Francis Roig, Jofre Porta and even Toni Nadal are all RPT certified coaches.

    If you are referring to "system" in the sense of the NGB, no spanish players are a product because RFET don't have a mission to produce players - they don't have the budget for it for one thing. There is a national academy, but in general they are picking up the 7th 8th 9th etc rated players as the top players have so many elite level coaches to choose from.
     
  13. Costagirl

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    Internet High 5 Ash!
     
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    This man is 100% correct about this!
    Ash I work with Porta in Mallorca...I didn't know of Francis Roig?

    But question for you...do you know anything of Pro AB in Barcelona in terms of reputation?
     
  15. Ash_Smith

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    Hey Costagirl!

    Jofre is, to use a term which is often over-used, a Legend!

    Francis is at BTT, he now travels with Rafa about 12 weeks per year and has worked with Lopez and Costa in the past. Great guy, i've had the privilege to spend some court time with him before.

    Pro AB i don't know much about I'm afraid.

    cheers
     
  16. tennis_balla

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    The Spanish play very very good tennis, no?
     
  17. AbsoluTennis

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    i cant watch these vids...
    can u post a link that works

    thx
     
  18. tennis_balla

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    If you read through the thread, you can see what happened. USPTA had Youtube remove the videos from my YT account and I received a warning for posting copyrighted material. So I won't be reposting it anywhere. In earlier pages I posted where you can purchase the video yourself, which is definitely worth it.
     
  19. T-T-T

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    Here is a video of the type of spanish style drills the coaches in spain do
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt4EGRHczlA

    I trained in spain many times and I can tell you that the main thing the spanish coaches focus on is footwork (movement)
    They don't give much technical help but they will drill you until you die and then some
     
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    hey... Found this thread from your posting in my junior thread. Regarding YT, How about Google Video? How about dropbox?

    Anyways, I think I need to purchase these 2 videos. They sound good and useful.
     
  21. Ash_Smith

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    ^^^Yeah, or how about respecting the copyright holder and just buying the DVD's rather than trying to make Balla a pirate!
     
  22. tennis_balla

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    Arrrrr!!!!
     
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    I recently spent roughly $80 (after shipping and socialist European taxes) to order a video off the USPTA site. Got the 16-Second Cure by Dr. Jim Loehr DVD. Good stuff, its a video I used to own as a kid and learned a lot off of. I ended up getting the Spanish Training Model DVD from someone back in 2009. I posted parts of the DVD on YT to be able to make this thread and post here for educational purposed. USPTA didn't see it that way and I respect that, even though this thread ended up giving them extra customers. Almost got my account suspended.
    The stuff I do for TTW :)
     
  24. julian

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    Are you referring to post #269?

    Are you referring to post #269?
     
  25. raging

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    This is probably a reason they have been so successful:
    In Spain they have created a Tournament structure, built a National Academy but left the top players with their individual players.
    They are not trying to create a self serving performance system like the LTA
    & other National Associations.

    Interesting that Australia has finally got a Pro Tour together and that will create a base of players from 130-250ATP.
    The boys are all in Mexico meeting with mixed success but as Johnny Millman says... you start to build a culture.

    I agree on your view of RPT, realise you have a vested interest as a member/tutor, while still working for the LTA!
    I will be moonlighting at a few conferences this year...
    Don't know if I am ready to go over to "The Dark Side".
    LTA definitely can't offer any more on the technical side.
    I am not saying they don't have coaches that can offer this, just that it is not offered as a course.
     
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  26. tennis_balla

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    Nope, referring to Ash saying I'm not a pirate, thought that was obvious. :)
     
  27. Ash_Smith

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    Hey Raging - yes I was heavily involved with the RPT for many years before taking my new role, however I no longer tutor their courses on a regular basis (although I did present at the RPT conference and will hopefully do so again). I think the coach education landscape has shifted in the UK since I have been involved with the RPT, whilst previously there probably was and "US" vs "Them" mentality (the Dark Side as you call it!), now there are many coach ed providers offering the core Level 1, 2 and 3 courses with their own particular flavour. The RPT CPD courses are probably still more technically focussed across the board, but there are excellent technical courses from others too, like Evolve 9 or the LTA's 10u course etc. For me, the very best coaches will take all the opportunities for learning they can and put provider bias to one side.

    There is also the Wheelchair Tennis One Day course, which is undoubtedly the best CPD course available anywhere in the world (but of course here I am really biased :) :) :) )

    cheers
     
  28. raging

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    Agreed on that - I think anyone would be a fool not to benefit from any information being offered.

    If you are working/coaching in a country then it is best to know the system that is being taught. If only so you can better help your players work within that system.

    I was joking about "The Dark Side". Any information exchange that leads to new ideas or even a new way of looking at teaching in a different way has to be beneficial to both student & teacher. RPT interested me initially because I worked in Spain in the early 80s, went back to Australia to do their coaching levels and then went on later to do Coaching Licenses & extended work in Germany.
    The RPT?Spanish system evolved a bit later but a lot of coaches in Spain were operating with hand feeding even back in 1983. I was very much an out of the basket/drill type coach then & that opened my eyes to:

    a) controlled hand feeding/footwork patterns

    b) up close & personal (I didn't have to shout my message from the other side of the net, I could whisper it). As the student "bought into it/got it", I could move further away, eventually over the other side of the net.

    c) when the student really had the movement & swing pattern down I could progress to a more open rallying situation.

    It was this progression that I found good for both myself & my students, especially if they had problems initially with complex movement patterns involving the hand/eyes/feet.

    Good Luck with your work in this area: actually I am sure that the UK is starting to lead a bit in wheelchair tennis but with esther vergeer now coaching?? It could get interesting in holland (if it wasn't already).


    I may even look at the LTA Wheelchair course, ran out of time last summer with coaching committments & had so many credits for licensing that I could have sold them twice on the blackmarket! :)
     
  29. allenkau

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    Got all 3 videos in the mail.

    They were great. I used some of the hand fed ones today with my 11yr old (About 150 balls) and then had him practice his serve (same 150 balls).

    Went to an rally type game and saw improvements IMMEDIATELY in his footwork.

    Being able to not have to talk (YELL) across the court is a KEY. He was much happier. I was much happier. THANK YOU to this forum.
     
  30. Coolio

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    Well this was an interesting thread. All the coaching "heavies" duking it out!
     
  31. comeback

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    Do any of these RPT feeders get nailed in the face?
     
  32. tennis_balla

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    Only if you don't know what you're doing.
     
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    How do you know how much to use these drills?

    Say if you have a kid for an hour a week and he plays in squads hitting and playing matches the rest of the time.

    At the moment I go through a number of these every lesson.
    How much time should be dedicated to these drills vs more live ball stuff and pointplay etc etc?
     
  34. tennis_balla

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    That depends what you're working on and what the kid needs. Each case is different. These drills are only a tool, which you can choose to use or choose not to use.
     
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    Cool, thanks.

    For Spanish drills, how fast should the feeds be and what does it depend on?

    Generally I would imagine, you want to feed as fast as possible that the player can get to, set for the shot and hit a quality ball. Slower and it is too easy and faster and they are not able to use correct technique as they are late getting to the ball. Is this generally what you want?
     
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    ^^^ Challenge the player to improve, but not so much they see failure as a reason to stop - aim for 60% success (as a general rule this is where most people will find their challenge point)
     

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